Hello : NOTES: Sometimes, it can be very difficult to find what we are looking for.... Sometimes, the information in front of us needs to be re-thought out. I have only looked into this family for a very short period of time, 1-2 days. I need to draw some pictures and give some ideas and other knowledge. This post will need to be further researched. I am following the idea that the researchers of this might be in the right place as such, but there is ONE single question here around, that is: Who is JESSIE SCOTT MURIE [JSM], where was she born, and who are her parents ???. It has been assumed that she must be connected closely to the MURIE family of Uitenhage etc. So simply, this relationship has never been proved !!!. Neither can any record of her being b. in Uitenhage so far be found. Nor any ship list for the arrival of this family to RSA etc. It might be the case you are looking in even the wrong place and country ?. I will continue here on, to see if [JSM] can connect to the family you have assumed she might connect to (!!!). Is there even just ONE [JSM] that even comes near this family ?. Well.... Actually there is ONE I can see, but I clearly do not know if this is [JSM]. It would make better sense to me that [JSM] is NOT b. in RSA at all. Maybe, just maybe, she was b, back in Scotland ?. [JSM] b. date is assumed to be b:1876. It is probably before this date. I am setting it at [1868-1876] or so. Before I go on further, we need to get to the geography of an area just just above Glasgow City itself. Take time to learn this area. Firstly, [Lanarkshire], say in 1871, being also a census year (!!!), the county area and border of [Lanarkshire] went just above Glasgow City, being the furthest northern border of this county. Just fitting inside this border of [Lanarkshire] above Glasgow City itself, was a suburb(/area) (?) called [SPRINGBURN]. It is basically still there today and named as such. Or simply: Registration district here was [1871: SPRINGBURN]. But.... Another Registration district existed or came into being, named [ST ROLLOX] (!!!). This district existed (1875-1906) as registration district 644/06. It “seems” to me, maybe only, that this [ST ROLLOX] district then also encompassed the [SPRINGBURN] suburb/area, now being basically the same Registration district as such. It seems [ST ROLLOX] might have existed in 1874 ?. Both [ST ROLLOX] + [SPRINGBURN] would just be within the boundary of [LANARKSHIRE]. I will send some maps pictures off list. In the census records, there is a family in [SPRINGBURN] and [ST ROLLOX]. Due to such close proximity, there can be cause for further research. Currently, my quick tree shows this: ========================================= William Murie m. Helen Crosser Donald II Alexander Murie b:1842 m. Elizabeth Bryson II William Murie Jeanie Currie Murie Agnes Murie Helen Donald Murie Jessie Scott Murie [Assumed connection !!! ???] Elizabeth Bryson Murie Mary Crosser Murie Muriel Murie Mary Mercia Paxton Murie Alexander Rogers Bryson Murie [b:1884 Uitenhage] Other offspring ??? ========================================= Birth dates are calculated dates. The following is the family you trying to connect to back in Scotland: ========================================= 1871: Scotland Census County: Lanarkshire Registration District: SPRINGBURN [!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!] WILLIAM MURIE b:1803 Age 68 HELEN MURIE b:1812 Age 59 GEORGE MURIE b:1838 Age 33 ALEXANDER MURIE b:1843 Age 28 ELIZABETH MURIE b:1843 Age 28 ELIZABETH MURIE b:1868 Age 3 ELLEN MURIE b:1869 Age 2 JEANIE MURIE b:1871 Age 0 === That would be William Murie m. Helen Crosser Donald (?). Alexander Murie must be his son (?). [b:1842/3?]. Probably Alexander Murie and wife Elizabeth Bryson age 28yrs ?. ======================================= 1881: Scotland Census County: Lanarkshire Registration District: ST ROLLOX [!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!] HELLEN MURIE b:1820 Age 61 GEORGE MURIE b:1845 Age 36 DAVID MURIE b:1839 Age 42 WILLIAM MURIE b:1866 Age 15 JESSIE MURIE b:1868 Age 13 HELEN MURIE b:1870 Age 11 JAMES MURIE b:1872 Age 9 Here, very nearby, as children on a census record would go, only their first name would be given, is one JESSIE MURIE !!!. ======================================= One thing about family tree, if you connect into the wrong family, it stops right there, it never makes sense and does not work. I would for one, remove the assumption of [JSM] being the dg of AM+EB for the time being. It is not working so far. Andrew Findlay d:1926 aged 56yrs, b:Abt. 1869. I suspect this is [JSM]’s husband ?. http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2153105 [[[From the census in [ST ROLLOX] 1871: JESSIE MURIE b:1868 Age 13.]]]: She is about the same age.... If [Jessie Scott Murie] d:30-12-1959 in [Brakpan, Gauteng, South Africa], I would spend some time there.... Maybe drop this other MURIE family off, and start again. .B.S. ======================
Not one of mine; I found this an interesting viewpoint, Bart. I'd certainly take a long, hard look at this. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:13 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Jessie Scott Murie [!!!] > Hello : > > NOTES: Sometimes, it can be very difficult to find what we are looking > for.... Sometimes, the information in front of us needs to be re-thought > out. I have only looked into this family for a very short period of time, > 1-2 days. I need to draw some pictures and give some ideas and other > knowledge. This post will need to be further researched. I am following > the idea that the researchers of this might be in the right place as such, > but there is ONE single question here around, that is: Who is JESSIE SCOTT > MURIE [JSM], where was she born, and who are her parents ???. It has been > assumed that she must be connected closely to the MURIE family of > Uitenhage etc. So simply, this relationship has never been proved !!!. > Neither can any record of her being b. in Uitenhage so far be found. Nor > any ship list for the arrival of this family to RSA etc. > > It might be the case you are looking in even the wrong place and country > ?. I will continue here on, to see if [JSM] can connect to the family you > have assumed she might connect to (!!!). Is there even just ONE [JSM] that > even comes near this family ?. Well.... Actually there is ONE I can see, > but I clearly do not know if this is [JSM]. It would make better sense to > me that [JSM] is NOT b. in RSA at all. Maybe, just maybe, she was b, back > in Scotland ?. [JSM] b. date is assumed to be b:1876. It is probably > before this date. I am setting it at [1868-1876] or so. > > Before I go on further, we need to get to the geography of an area just > just above Glasgow City itself. Take time to learn this area. Firstly, > [Lanarkshire], say in 1871, being also a census year (!!!), the county > area and border of [Lanarkshire] went just above Glasgow City, being the > furthest northern border of this county. Just fitting inside this border > of [Lanarkshire] above Glasgow City itself, was a suburb(/area) (?) called > [SPRINGBURN]. It is basically still there today and named as such. Or > simply: Registration district here was [1871: SPRINGBURN]. > > But.... Another Registration district existed or came into being, named > [ST ROLLOX] (!!!). This district existed (1875-1906) as registration > district 644/06. It “seems” to me, maybe only, that this [ST ROLLOX] > district then also encompassed the [SPRINGBURN] suburb/area, now being > basically the same Registration district as such. It seems [ST ROLLOX] > might have existed in 1874 ?. Both [ST ROLLOX] + [SPRINGBURN] would just > be within the boundary of [LANARKSHIRE]. I will send some maps pictures > off list. > > In the census records, there is a family in [SPRINGBURN] and [ST ROLLOX]. > Due to such close proximity, there can be cause for further research. > Currently, my quick tree shows this: > ========================================= > William Murie m. Helen Crosser Donald > II > Alexander Murie b:1842 m. Elizabeth Bryson > II > William Murie > Jeanie Currie Murie > Agnes Murie > Helen Donald Murie > Jessie Scott Murie [Assumed connection !!! ???] > Elizabeth Bryson Murie > Mary Crosser Murie > Muriel Murie > Mary Mercia Paxton Murie > Alexander Rogers Bryson Murie [b:1884 Uitenhage] > Other offspring ??? > ========================================= > Birth dates are calculated dates. The following is the family you trying > to connect to back in Scotland: > ========================================= > 1871: Scotland Census > County: Lanarkshire > Registration District: SPRINGBURN [!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!] > > WILLIAM MURIE b:1803 Age 68 > HELEN MURIE b:1812 Age 59 > GEORGE MURIE b:1838 Age 33 > ALEXANDER MURIE b:1843 Age 28 > ELIZABETH MURIE b:1843 Age 28 > ELIZABETH MURIE b:1868 Age 3 > ELLEN MURIE b:1869 Age 2 > JEANIE MURIE b:1871 Age 0 > === > That would be William Murie m. Helen Crosser Donald (?). > Alexander Murie must be his son (?). [b:1842/3?]. > Probably Alexander Murie and wife Elizabeth Bryson age 28yrs ?. > ======================================= > 1881: Scotland Census > County: Lanarkshire > Registration District: ST ROLLOX [!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!] > > HELLEN MURIE b:1820 Age 61 > GEORGE MURIE b:1845 Age 36 > DAVID MURIE b:1839 Age 42 > WILLIAM MURIE b:1866 Age 15 > JESSIE MURIE b:1868 Age 13 > HELEN MURIE b:1870 Age 11 > JAMES MURIE b:1872 Age 9 > > Here, very nearby, as children on a census record would go, only their > first name would be given, is one JESSIE MURIE !!!. > ======================================= > One thing about family tree, if you connect into the wrong family, it > stops right there, it never makes sense and does not work. I would for > one, remove the assumption of [JSM] being the dg of AM+EB for the time > being. It is not working so far. Andrew Findlay d:1926 aged 56yrs, b:Abt. > 1869. I suspect this is [JSM]’s husband ?. > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2153105 > > [[[From the census in [ST ROLLOX] 1871: JESSIE MURIE b:1868 Age 13.]]]: > She is about the same age.... > > If [Jessie Scott Murie] d:30-12-1959 in [Brakpan, Gauteng, South Africa], > I would spend some time there.... Maybe drop this other MURIE family off, > and start again. > > .B.S. > ====================== > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message