Hi Bart, Unfortunately I do not have the full death date. Thank you so much for the photos, very interesting. Also what a great website, now if William GARRITY is not listed does that mean he died without a will? I know he died young and I would think unexpectedly, in fact he died about three months before his child was born. Thank you for spotting my error in the title! Thomas GARRITY is actually William GARRITY'S father (married to Elizabeth ANDERTON - both buried somewhere in Pretoria). William also had an older brother Thomas GARRITY who was married to Fanny Jane (they are actually witnesses on my grandmother's birth certificate). Their is also a sister Clara GARRITY and another brother Louis GARRITY. Unfortunately, I do not have any information on the siblings. According to bmd.org.uk there is a William GARRITY born March 1885, then a death of William GARRITY, age 1 for March 1885, then in December 1885 another William Arthur GARRITY both born in Chorlton, Manchester, Lancashire England! I do not have an actual birth date for William so if the estate file has him listed as William GARRITY, then that must be correct. That is very interesting that there is a William Arthur GARRITY, but his wife's name I am not familiar with. Charles William Thomas GARRITY is one of Lilian Sampson WILLIAMS and William GARRITY's children and he married Elaine BLAIR? Thank you, take care, Heather Sent from my Cream Puff On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Heather: > > I could probably tell you exactly where the grave is if you can give me the > FULL death date. > > [1914: No. 3, Fourth Street, Malvern Johannesburg]: There is no [FOURTH > STREET] in Malvern. There is a [4th Street]. I took a photo of this house > for you and will send it off list. This area has changed a lot. The people > there did not speak much English, but they did say it was No. 3. I think you > will find the photo interesting. This should be the house in question.... > > [Lilian Sampson WILLIAMS (married name: GARRITY), Thomas GARRITY]: In the > title of your post, who is Thomas Garrity ?. I suspect you suspect he is the > father of William Arthur Garrity ?. > === > Go here and type in 'garrity': > http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300gi?20140122212908CA9C0E63%26DB%3DRSAE > === > CHARLES WILLIAM THOMAS GARRITY d:1967, SURVIVING SPOUSE ELAINE GARRITY. > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE RAD > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 114 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 2835 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION CLAIM FOR COMPENSATION (WITWATERSRAND AREA) THOMAS GARRITY. > STARTING 1903 > ENDING 1903 > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE MHG > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 1718/41 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION GARRITY, FANNY JANE. > STARTING 1941 > ENDING 1941 > REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE (1) JOHN THOMAS (2) THOMAS GARRITY. > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE MHG > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 65289 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION GARRITY, THOMAS. > STARTING 1928 > ENDING 1928 > REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE FANNY JANE GARRITY. > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE MHG > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 5397/50 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION GARRITY, LILIA SAMPSON. > STARTING 1950 > ENDING 1950 > REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE WILLIAM GARRITY. > > *** I note you have him as WILLIAM ARTHUR GARRITY ???. Is that correct ???. > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE MHG > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 15789 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION GARRITY, WILLIAM ARTHUR. > STARTING 1910 > ENDING 1910 > REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE ELIZABETH LILY GARRITY (BORN NEILON). > > [1928: SURVIVING SPOUSE ANDREW STEWART ROSS PREDECEASED SPOUSE WILLIAM > GARRITY] > > *** I take it this GARRITY-NEILON-ROSS is the incorrect family !!!. ???. > === > > - S.K.M. - [!!!] > ================================ > William Arthur GARRITY is believed to have died in 1916. > ================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Heather: I have taken liberty to look a bit further for you. I do not know who you know or are in contact with. I will also send details off list. I managed to hit directly onto this family on my first call. You have in your tree one [Charles William Thomas Garrity], and in the local phone book there is one [CWJ Garrity (Charles William John Garrity)] that lived in Alberton. He died roughly 3 years ago. His wife gave me the name and number of CWJG's other son's brother, and the name, number and email address of his dg in England. The dg is interested in this family tree it seems. I got some more info to be sent off list and some comments etc. It does seem to be the right family. =========================== COMMENTS: You need to make sure you connect back into the correct family back in England, otherwise you will get stuck right there forever !!!. I don't see any current ref. to suggest your William Garrity should be named [William Arthur Garrity] ?. There is one ref. I need to go back to just check it. You say the wife of Thomas Garrity Snr. is Elizabeth Anderton. On the ship list it mentions NORS E GARRITY age 31, female, and since the S key is right next to the A key on a keyboard, I suspect the name is NORA E. GARRITY. I suspect the E might be for ELIZABETH, ie, the ELIZABETH ANDERTON you mentioned, or even NORA ELIZABETH ANDERTON ?. *** Since the Norham Castle left 1893, you need to check the 1891 Census to find out where this family is in England etc. !!!. Where is Hulme: Maybe read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulme : It seems Hulme is now part of Manchester ???. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aclara~%20%2Bsurname%3Agarrity%20%2Bbirth_place%3AEngland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1880-1900~ Louis Garrity chr: 11 July 1890 St Michael, Hulme, Lancashire, England father: Thomas Garrity mother: Elizabeth Anderton Clara Garrity chr: 19 August 1888 Holy Trinity, Hulme (near Manchester), Lancashire, England father: Thomas Garrity mother: Elizabeth [^^^1]: Keep in mind the birth date on ship lists are calculated etc. Also the births [BMD: William GARRITY born March 1885, then a death of William GARRITY, age 1 for March 1885.] is actually Jan-Mar 1885, look at the top of the page for BMD's etc. There seems to be a contingent of Garrity here in the Hulme / Chorlton area, you need to stay here much and sort it out. Keep in mind too, that in many cases other close relatives would also come out to RSA, and that could ??? explain this other William Arthur Garrity also being born in this Hulme / Chorlton area, actually even the same year !!!. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bsurname%3Agarrity%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22England%2CLancashire%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3AEngland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1884-1888~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AThomas~%20%2Bfather_surname%3AGarrity~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AElizabeth~ But if you to the above URL, you will see still there in Chorlton, is [William A Garrity b:1886 aged 15yrs son] !!!. [Expand the row by clicking the small arrow on the right etc]. Your William Garrity left England in 1893, he can't still be the William A Garrity still in Chorlton etc. in 1901 !!!. Keep in mind the birth years here are automatically calculated from the census date and the age of the person, so this birth year can vary by 1 year !!!. [William A Garrity] is in fact born between Sept-Dec 1885 !!!. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bsurname%3Agarrity%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22England%2CLancashire%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3AEngland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1883-1886~%20%2Bfather_surname%3AGarrity~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AElizabeth~ [^^^1]: [William Garrity birth: 1884 death: 1885 Chorlton, Lancashire, England]: OK, so here THIS William Garrity was b:1884 d:1885, so he died aged 1 yr !!!. So this [William Garrity] is now off the list !!!. === BMD1: William GARRITY born Jan-March 1885. BMD2: Then a death of William GARRITY, age 1 for March 1885. [b:1884 !!!]. BMD3: Then in December 1885 another William Arthur GARRITY both born in Chorlton, Manchester, Lancashire England. === So this crosses off for the time being: [BMD2] + [BMD3] !!!. So this leaves us with William Garrity b:Jan-March 1885 !!!. You need to just check that the [BMD2] William Garrity's parents etc., he could have died just before your William Garrity was born ?, and that your William Garrity might have been named after his brother that had just died ?. Simply this should be yours: BMD1: William GARRITY born Jan-March 1885 !!!. Thomas Garrity m.:1882 Manchester, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Anderton. === In 1893 the NORHAM CASTLE departed from Southampton for South Africa. Some passengers were: === NORS E GARRITY AGE 31 [Female !!! Possibly Nora???] THOMAS GARRITY AGE 9 WILLIAM GARRITY AGE 7 CLARA GARRITY AGE 5 LOUIS GARRITY AGE 3 === T GARRITY AGE 32 [DUNBAR CASTLE from LONDON 1893] === BS. =========================== Unfortunately I do not have the full death date. If William GARRITY is not listed does that mean he died without a will?. That is very interesting that there is a William Arthur GARRITY, but his wife's name I am not familiar with. I could probably tell you exactly where the grave is if you can give me the FULL death date. William Arthur Garrity ?.