Hi! I posted the original post as I was on the trail of Olive KNIPE who married James Govenlock FINDLAY. On the gravestone, it is clearly Braemar as in the village of Braemar. Pure coincidence that there is another FINDLAY involved who lived in a Braemar Road, Aberdeen. So I would think that James FINDLAY was born in Braemar and his children were born in Aberdeen. I am getting the DC of both father and son so hopefully that will clarify the father's birthplace. Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bart Simon Sent: 12 February 2014 05:57 AM To: RW RSA Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] ALEXANDER FINDLAY OF CAROLINA TRANSVAAL SOUTH AFRICA [!!!] Hello: I am taking liberty to post this on list, for good purpose, it might help to separate 2 trees and 2 persons being joined together. Whilst at the Primrose Cemetery doing a look at a previous surname etc., I noted whatever FINDLAY surname I came across there. I feel it is necessary to place this post on list.... There are, for this review, 2 “Braemar”, one is a road name in Aberdeen (Braemar Place), the other a a town well to the west of Aberdeen, 2 very separate places. There was one [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 d:14-12-1940 of Braemar, Scotland, bur:Primrose Cemetery], [See eGGSA], this would be, I little doubt, would be about or close to [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, Scotland], “Braemar” is “Braemar Place”, a road it seems. This James Findlay m. [Margaret Kemp Govenlock b":31-12-1877 Glasgow, d:19-04-1961 Joburg area bur:Primrose Cemetery], and they had a son: [James Govenlock Findlay b:03-07-1902 Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 Tanganyika, East Africa, bur:Primrose Cemetery] and he m:1929 [Olive Knipe b:Abt.1906], buried together in same grave. [Aberdeen Journal Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 16 Oct 1913: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS. Births. FINDLAY. —At Malvern, Johannesburg, South Africa, the 22nd September, to (Mr.) and Mrs James Findlay, daughter (nee Margaret Govenlock).]. AND THEN SOME: [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] of Carolina, Transvaal, d:1943 aged 46yrs: [1918-46=1871]: so he would be b:1870-1 or so. He might be the same person who lived in Joburg, the A. Findlay “Blacksmith” as mentioned in a recent post. He is also mentioned as a “Blacksmith” on his DC etc. He m:11-01-1918 Matilda Edith Young at Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa. !!! THIS !!! [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] had a dg [Alice M. Findlay], mother currently unknown, and then to the Aberdeen newspapers: [Aberdeen Evening Express Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 24 Aug 1914: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS. London August, 1914, John, son Mr William Graham, 25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, to Alice M. Findlay, daughter Alexander Findlay, Carolina, Transvaal, South Africa]. [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen]: I can only assume at this point in time, that this is the “BRAEMAR” in question and same place ?. *** *** The [Andrew Findlay (1869-1926)] is given to have a brother [Alexander Findlay b:1867], if correct, it is therefore impossible for these 2 Alexander Findlays to be the same person by any means. One AlexF b:1870/1 the other b:1867 !!!. NOTES: [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] m:11-01-1918 at [Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa] to [Matilda Edith Young], he was aged 46yrs and she 27yrs. It seems ‘more than likely’ this AlexF here would be turning 47yrs old in 1918, which means he is b:1871, the year before [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 Braemar Place, Aberdeen] ???. At this point in time, it seems this [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] and the [James Findlay m. Margaret Kemp Govenlock] are probably brothers.... [Braemar Place]: “Braemar” is a road name in the city of Aberdeen.... It is FATAL to make 2 separate persons the same person, you join 2 trees together, and it stops right there, and never makes any sense.... It never happened in real life.... .... .... But, there is something truly amazing about Brakpan and surrounding families, in the years say roughly 1925-30 or so, and I noticed this in the cemetery there, people just died during this time frame !!!. This research has also opened my eyes to see just how many Scotties came out to this country too. It was a lot. The other item very worthy to mention, is that messages (“By cable”) were sent back to say Aberdeen newspapers etc., from South Africa, for articles to be printed in the newspapers there etc. There is a LOT to be gained here. People would also go back to have children too, often a last time with parents, etc. B.S. ========================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message