Dear All I repeat what I said in my first email in order to clarify and I have elaborated to try to explain why I am sure that I have not mixed 2 trees! Christine Bolland died in 1877. Her husband Ernst F C Pfingsten remarried (Rebecca Vogel) and had a son from the 2nd marriage. Yes, in one document Ernst's third christian name is down as William, but that is I think an error in the Methodist/Wesleyan baptism register of 1882 - the son is called Ernst Frederick William, born 1 Nov 1881 and baptised 24 Jan 1882. In the register of 1887 when he and Rebecca baptise another son on 26 Oct called Ernst Arthur born May 5th 1887. his names (or initials) are correct. As they are as well in the baptism record of their daughter Bertha Evalina Elizabeth, born 21 Aug 1880 and baptised 26 Jan 1881. In answer to your other question - yes Christine is named Pfingsten on her burial record. Regards Selma On 5 February 2014 09:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Bolland/Holland (Selma Thomas) > 2. Re: Bolland/Holland (Bart Simon) > 3. Re: Bolland/Holland (Bart Simon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:52:58 +0100 > From: Selma Thomas <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Bolland/Holland > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > < > [email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear all, > > I am trying to find information about my g-g-grandmother. Any facts would > be very welcome! > I have looked through the passenger lists of German arrivals and English > arrivals of the period but have not found any information about her. There > is just the slightest chance that the surname might be Holland rather than > Bolland (looks like Bolland on the certificate but you never know!) > I have not been able to find a death notice for her on NAAIRS. Civil deaths > on Familysearch start after her death. > > *Christine Bolland* > > Born 1827 (according to the St Katherine's, Uitenhage, burial record she > was 50 at the time of her death) > Married on 18 Aug 1857 in Stutterheim to Ernst Frederick Carl Pfingsten > (who had arrived on 10 Feb 1857 in East London as a soldier of the British > German Legion). > Died in Uitenhage on 27 Nov 1877. > Christine and Ernst moved to Uitenhage when he left the Army in 1860 and he > is described as a shopkeeper on his death notice. He married for a second > time after Christine's death and had a son from that second marriage. > > Christine and Ernst had, as far as I have been able to find, 5 daughters > Augusta Caroline Pfingsten (1857-1931) who married John Rutherford Smith > Johanna Sophia Christina Pfingsten (1859-1949) who married Frederick Edward > Thompson > Sarah Hermina Fredricka Christina Pfingsten (1860-1946) who married > Tunbridge Wells > Victoria Margaret Pfingsten (1862-1952) who married Hugh Brady > Emma Eliza Charlotte Pfingsten (1867-1938) who married William Peter > Gleeson > > Thanks > Selma > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 20:48:56 +0200 > From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Bolland/Holland > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > ["He married for a second time after Christine's death and had a son from > that second marriage"]: If I understand your post correctly, Christine > Bolland d:27 Nov 1877, is that correct ?. The son from [Ernst Frederick > Carl > Pfingsten]'s m2. to [Rebecca Fredricka] being [Ernest Arthur Pfingsten] was > b:05-05-1887. The son from the m2 is b:05-05-1887 before Christine Bolland > d:27 Nov 1877 !!!. So Christine could NOT have been m. to EFCP in 1887. > What > is Christine's surname on the "burial record", I assume it was PFINGSTEN ?. > B.S. > ================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Selma Thomas > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Bolland/Holland > > *Christine Bolland* born 1827 (according to the St Katherine's, Uitenhage, > burial record she was 50 at the time of her death) and married on 18 Aug > 1857 in Stutterheim to Ernst Frederick Carl Pfingsten (who had arrived on > 10 > Feb 1857 in East London as a soldier of the British German Legion). Died in > Uitenhage on 27 Nov 1877. He married for a second time after Christine's > death and had a son from that second marriage. > ------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:41:17 +0200 > From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Bolland/Holland > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello: I am not sure how you have your tree, but: > > Ernst Frederick Carl Pfingsten m. Christine Bolland >5dg's. > > Another separate person: > > Ernest Frederick William Pfsingsten m. Rebecca Friedricka Johanna Vogel > A > son: Ernest Arthur Pfingsten b:05-05-1887 [!!! !!! !!!] > > ***You have mixed two trees together. !!! > ===================================== > So far I feel BOLLAND is the first choice. > BOLLAND can derive from BOHLAND. > I suspect possible descendants of a brother maybe going into Durban after > 1900 ?. > > B.S. > ===================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart Simon > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 8:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Bolland/Holland > > ["He married for a second time after Christine's death and had a son from > that second marriage"]: If I understand your post correctly, Christine > Bolland d:27 Nov 1877, is that correct ?. The son from [Ernst Frederick > Carl > Pfingsten]'s m2. to [Rebecca Fredricka] being [Ernest Arthur Pfingsten] was > b:05-05-1887. The son from the m2 is b:05-05-1887 before Christine Bolland > d:27 Nov 1877 !!!. So Christine could NOT have been m. to EFCP in 1887. > What > is Christine's surname on the "burial record", I assume it was PFINGSTEN ?. > B.S. > ================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Selma Thomas > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Bolland/Holland > > *Christine Bolland* born 1827 (according to the St Katherine's, Uitenhage, > burial record she was 50 at the time of her death) and married on 18 Aug > 1857 in Stutterheim to Ernst Frederick Carl Pfingsten (who had arrived on > 10 > Feb 1857 in East London as a soldier of the British German Legion). Died in > Uitenhage on 27 Nov 1877. 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Thanks for the information, it makes more sense to me now. I found it interesting to see what this surname means: [PFINGSTEN] in German means Pentecost or White Sunday. In Dutch it means [Pinkster]. [Pfingsten=Pinkster]. BS. ======================================