Sue, Thank you very much! New information on my Oldham ancestors. I wonder if you have encountered the curious case of the Powrie family? Robert Powrie was born 16 May 1785 in Ballendean, Perth, Scotland. He was a soldier in the Royal Artllery at the Cape, where in 1816 he married Esther Deacon, the widow of Thomas Marrin, also of the RA. Their son, James, was born (at the Castle in Cape Town) on 23 Jul 1817. The family returned to London, where Robert was discharged. He applied as an 1820 Settler, but was refused. The family was, however, given passage to Cape Town on a navy vessel (landing in Simonstown), where Robert was a boot and shoemaker. So, the Powries are "independent" 1820 settlers, not part of the formal scheme, and never went near the Eastern Frontier. I often joke that my ancestor (James Powrie) is the only 1820 Settler born in South Africa! James Powrie married Josepha Dorcas Oldham, so I do have a legitimate 1820 ancestor claim. The mystery here is Esther Deacon. Family lore says she was from Ireland, but I doubt it. More likely, she was from London. So, my questions (not just for you): A) Is there any record of a marriage for Thomas MARRIN and Esther DEACON, probably in London or at the Cape? I have a marriage date of 15 Apr 1814 with no source. B) What documents are there on Robert Powrie's failed petition to be a Settler? I hear they exist, but I have not seen them, and do not know where they are. Hopefully, they will have some information on Esther's origins. By the way, Robert and Esther's second child, Martha, was born in London on 28 Aug 1819. Again, I have no proof of this fact. Their third child, Robert, was born in Cape Town on 3 Jul 1821 and died young. There were nine (!) more children. Sue, I will appreciate any help you or others can provide. I have the Powries pretty well, it is Esther Deacon who is the mystery. (And Thomas Marrin.) Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 12:34 PM EDT, 03/13/2015 From: Sue Mackay via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: SA List <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, ZA-IB List <south-africa-immigrants-british-l@rootsweb.com>, EC List <south-africa-eastern-cape-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1820 Settler Update I have now completed the Settler Returns up to the end of the letter R (there is nothing for Russell's Party in the file) and hope to complete them before I go to Portugal at the end of next week. I was exceedingly grateful for the short respite while the eggsa site was down yesterday, as it gave me time to recover from transcribing the return for PARKER's Party. The man drove me mad with his correspondence and he did so again with his non standard returns! http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/settler-returns I have added a couple of extra information files. PARKER did at least give me the clue for James ALLISON, by stating that he was a pensioner of the 23rd Light Dragoons, and once I had found his discharge papers it was easy enough to track down his baptism and marriage in Scotland. Although his wife is listed as Ann, she was actually Agnes MAXWELL. The Settler Handbook lists Sarah (15) and Anne (1), whereas PARKER's Return at Kew lists them the other way around. As James ALLISON wrote a letter from Bury St.Edmunds in 1819 and there is a Suffolk baptism for Sarah ALLISON in 1819, it seems clear that Sarah was in fact the youngest child. http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/a-surnames/1955-allison-james-extra-data The other file I have added is for Thomas ROWLES, leader of ROWLES' Party. Recent access to original Gloucestershire parish records revealed the family in Stroud. http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/r-surnames/1958-rowles-thomas-extra-data Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Keith, From online source, images of cards available. Name: Martha Powrie Birth Date: 28 Aug 1819 Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Father: Robert Powrie Mother: Esther Powrie Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1819 Baptism Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Denomination: Wesleyan Piece Title: Piece 1048: Liverpool, Brunswick Chapel, Moss Street (Wesleyan), 1809-1837 On 14/03/2015 5:04 PM, Keith Meintjes via wrote: > Sue, > > Thank you very much! New information on my Oldham ancestors. > > I wonder if you have encountered the curious case of the Powrie family? > > Robert Powrie was born 16 May 1785 in Ballendean, Perth, Scotland. He was a > soldier in the Royal Artllery at the Cape, where in 1816 he married Esther > Deacon, the widow of Thomas Marrin, also of the RA. Their son, James, was > born (at the Castle in Cape Town) on 23 Jul 1817. > > The family returned to London, where Robert was discharged. He applied as an > 1820 Settler, but was refused. The family was, however, given passage to Cape > Town on a navy vessel (landing in Simonstown), where Robert was a boot and > shoemaker. > > So, the Powries are "independent" 1820 settlers, not part of the formal > scheme, and never went near the Eastern Frontier. I often joke that my > ancestor (James Powrie) is the only 1820 Settler born in South Africa! > > James Powrie married Josepha Dorcas Oldham, so I do have a legitimate 1820 > ancestor claim. > > The mystery here is Esther Deacon. Family lore says she was from Ireland, but > I doubt it. More likely, she was from London. > > So, my questions (not just for you): > > A) Is there any record of a marriage for Thomas MARRIN and Esther DEACON, > probably in London or at the Cape? I have a marriage date of 15 Apr 1814 with > no source. > > B) What documents are there on Robert Powrie's failed petition to be a > Settler? I hear they exist, but I have not seen them, and do not know where > they are. Hopefully, they will have some information on Esther's origins. > > By the way, Robert and Esther's second child, Martha, was born in London on 28 > Aug 1819. Again, I have no proof of this fact. > > Their third child, Robert, was born in Cape Town on 3 Jul 1821 and died young. > There were nine (!) more children. > > Sue, > > I will appreciate any help you or others can provide. I have the Powries > pretty well, it is Esther Deacon who is the mystery. (And Thomas Marrin.) > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 12:34 PM EDT, 03/13/2015 > From: Sue Mackay via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: SA List <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, ZA-IB List > <south-africa-immigrants-british-l@rootsweb.com>, EC List > <south-africa-eastern-cape-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1820 Settler Update > > I have now completed the Settler Returns up to the end of the letter R (there > is nothing for Russell's Party in the file) and hope to complete them before I > go to Portugal at the end of next week. I was exceedingly grateful for the > short respite while the eggsa site was down yesterday, as it gave me time to > recover from transcribing the return for PARKER's Party. The man drove me mad > with his correspondence and he did so again with his non standard returns! > > > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/settler-returns > > > I have added a couple of extra information files. PARKER did at least give me > the clue for James ALLISON, by stating that he was a pensioner of the 23rd > Light Dragoons, and once I had found his discharge papers it was easy enough > to track down his baptism and marriage in Scotland. Although his wife is > listed as Ann, she was actually Agnes MAXWELL. The Settler Handbook lists > Sarah (15) and Anne (1), whereas PARKER's Return at Kew lists them the other > way around. As James ALLISON wrote a letter from Bury St.Edmunds in 1819 and > there is a Suffolk baptism for Sarah ALLISON in 1819, it seems clear that > Sarah was in fact the youngest child. > > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/a-surnames/1955-allison-james-extra-data > > > The other file I have added is for Thomas ROWLES, leader of ROWLES' Party. > Recent access to original Gloucestershire parish records revealed the family > in Stroud. > > > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/r-surnames/1958-rowles-thomas-extra-data > > > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >