Hi I have the information as well as everything else I have been able to find in the archives and on NAIRS. The information comes out of IN THE LAND OF THE AFTERNOON which is where I started my search back in 2010. I am however now trying to find out when and how he arrived here from the US. I have a couple of possibles in census forms in the US to pursue as well but thats a long term thing. My request is for where to go to to find out which ship he would have arrived on. American ships called here all the time in the 1800s, but where would their arrival and passenger logs be or in the case of fishing or whaling vessels, who would have kept a log of arrivals for that time? My branch of Lloyds has no link as far as I know with any Lloyd that would have arrived here via the immigration from the UK. He was an independent that arrived from the US. Any information is appreciated. Regards Claudine From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za] Sent: 11 March 2015 05:19 PM To: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd; south-africa@rootsweb.com; claudine@vanwyk.co.za Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Jen I did not say it WAS that George I said it was the only one close that year. Regards Heather From: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd <lacey@yebo.co.za <mailto:lacey@yebo.co.za> > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 4:52 PM To: Heather MacAlister <heather@ancestors.co.za <mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za> >, <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> >, <claudine@vanwyk.co.za <mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine I dont think this is your George............. Walter James1 Lloyd, b. 7 Dec 1850 in Cuylerville (son of Charles Lloyd [1818 - 1897] and Harriet Clayton [1823 - 1913]), d. 4 Sep 1926 in Grahamstown Frances Eliza Weymouth Dell, b. 1860 in (daughter of Edward Hunt Dell and Eliza Weymouth Usher), d. 11 Nov 1939 in Port Elizabethr. One of their children was: George Ellis Lloyd, b. 16 Nov 1895, baptized 1 Mar 1896 in 'Longridge', Peddie, d. 31 May 1916 in Mbulu, German East Africa, 1st World War, buried in Dar Es Salaam War Cemetery / Old Cemetery, Grahamstown, District Albany,Eastern Cape, RSA. Was a Private, 10th Regt., South African Infantry. No issue. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za <mailto:lacey@yebo.co.za> www.southafricanfamily.com <http://www.southafricanfamily.com> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za <mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za> >; <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine George Arrived in Table Bay on a Yankee clipper 7 months before the arrival of the Alabama. He died in 1916. He was born at Hudson in the State of New York in 1842. One of his sisters wrote a letter to a descendant saying `¹George left home for a sea voyage in 1858 when he was sixteen years old ( I was 8 years old) we had a civil war and he never returned home This is the only estate for 1916 for an George Lloyd DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/834 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2345 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LLOYD, GEORGE ELLIS. DEATH NOTICE. STARTING 19160000 ENDING 19160000 I can send you a photo of him and his family from the book in the Land of the Afternoon by Lawrence Green please let me know The National Archives in Cape Town would be the best place to go for help Regards Heather From: Claudine van Wyk via <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za <mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za> >, <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven From: Claudine van Wyk [mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za] Sent: 06 March 2015 07:00 PM To: 'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com> ' Subject: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction? I am researching my husband's family, the LLOYDS from Churchhaven. George Albert Lloyd founded Churchhaven on the West Coast. I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. Family legend says he arrived on the CSS ALABAMA but I have not been able to find his name on any crew or passenger lists in the fleet that travelled with the CSS Alabama or the Alabama itself. There is no proof as yet that he arrived here on that vessel at all. I've been in contact with Civil War societies in the US, the US navy archives as well as historians acquainted with the vessel and the fleet that came here. No one has found any papers with his details recorded anywhere. Now, I do know that the area in the US where he was born was prominent in whaling. My request is for anyone with knowledge of merchant vessels, fishing and whaling vessels who can tell me where I can start searching. 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Hi Claudine, I don't quite understand your question. He didn't arrive by ship, so you won't be able to find a name of a ship. He arrived with a Yankee clipper as you know. Why are you still looking for a name of a ship? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_ship Linda
Hi Linda He arrived by ship whether it was a whaler (as the place of his birth and the prevailing job availability there at the time suggests), clipper, war vessel or passenger vessel. All I am trying to do is trace when he could have arrived here if it is at all possible. Surely there are shipping logs kept of vessels docking in the Cape and Saldanha somewhere for that time period? I know it is highly unlikely that I will ever be able to trace a name of a possible vessel but am curious still. If I have the names of US vessels that docked, in theory I could go back to my US research and my contacts there to see if any of those vessels were ever in New York and from there trace if he ever worked on any of those. My research so far shows that he was present during the 1850 census in New York but not in the 1860 census which leads me to speculate that he left the US some time during that decade and arrived here before 1863. As it is, the information contained in the Lawrence Green book is inaccurate on one huge point – he is not associated at all with the Alabama. Lawrence Green interviewed existing family members but the story of how he arrived here became garbled up in village talk of him arriving on the Alabama. I hope that clarifies my question? Cheers Claudine From: Linda Farrell [mailto:ozfarrells@gmail.com] Sent: 12 March 2015 05:17 AM To: claudine@vanwyk.co.za; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine, I don't quite understand your question. He didn't arrive by ship, so you won't be able to find a name of a ship. He arrived with a Yankee clipper as you know. Why are you still looking for a name of a ship? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_ship Linda No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4306/9280 - Release Date: 03/11/15