Hi Pat I think the trees you refer to are the 'Soetdoring' (Acacia karroo), see https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soetdoring, which produces a sweet gum as you described. The other one could be the 'Kameeldoring' (Acacia erioloba), see https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kameeldoring Johann Hanekom Lancaster UK http://www.hanekom.org.uk/gedview/individual.php?pid=I1967&ged=hanekom.ged -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: 28 June 2015 08:01 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 180 Today's Topics: 1. The HUDSON family (Laquita Belinfante) 2. Re: Name of two trees common in SWA (danielmalanjacobs) 3. Re: The HUDSON family (Eighteen-Twenty Settlers) 4. Re: Name of two trees common in SWA (Pat Frykberg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:37:59 +0200 From: "Laquita Belinfante" <belinfante@telkomsa.net> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] The HUDSON family To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000b01d0b0bc$f5af9710$e10ec530$@telkomsa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Megan I am hoping that you and fellow Listers can help me make a Hudson connection. I am aware that two Hudson men came to South Africa. Maybe they were brothers, Hougham and Henry. My HUDSON branch are descendant from Henry. The little information I have is as follows: Henry *abt 1778 X Mary NN, Two sons, Richard and James. James HUDSON X Antoinette Annie LEHMAN. I have found two children, a daughter, Annie Antoinette HUDSON *1854 -1937 X Francis William JAMES in 1872 (son of 1820 settler Elizabeth KNIBBS) XX Cornelis MOSTERT 1890. And son, Charles William HUDSON *1862-1933 X Johanna Eveldina BRANDT 1864-1934 in Potchefstroom. That is all the snippets of information that I have and a little on the BRANDT family. I have assumed here that Annie Antoinette HUDSON and Charles William HUDSON, are sibling. Sincerely hoping someone can help here. Lucky --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:42:26 -0500 From: danielmalanjacobs <danielmalanjacobs@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA To: Colin M?hr <mohr@lantic.net>, "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <ydctx8yxrt9xg3g1um7mwpp4.1435419746995@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Pat I think the first one is what we call in Afrikaans a 'Karee boom' The fancy name of probably one of the most common one's is Rhus Africanus. The only fancy name of a tree I know.? Regards Daniel Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Colin M?hr via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Date: 27/06/2015 01:59 (GMT-04:00) To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>,south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA Hi Pat, If you click on http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantoftheweek/species_a.htm and scroll through, you will probably recognise the second tree, probably a smaller sort of ACACIA. Kind Regards, Colin Mohr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Frykberg via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <enquiry@puccini-namibia.com> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:50 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > There are botanists and naturalists out there who I am sure will have > these answers for me ? > > 1. The tree in question is, from my childhood's viewpoint quite tall. It > carried long pods we called boointjies, edible, green at first and sharp > taste, but later dried out a brown colour with the flesh now a dusty beige > and dry. I have had one description ---- is it called prosopis. ? > Camelthorn? I remember these from Okahandja, mainly. > > 2. On a smallish shrubby tree with I think thorns, we would eat the sweet > gum that oozed from a wound in the bark. Sometimes the gum was very thick > honey-like and sweet/woody and blood red,? or dried in yellowish sweet > crisp? lumps. > > These are memories going back to the 1930s. I would Love to have the > answers, please. > Many thanks > Patricia Frykberg. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:01:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Eighteen-Twenty Settlers <eighteentwenty@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] The HUDSON family To: Laquita Belinfante <belinfante@telkomsa.net>, "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <159843622.1188938.1435406505750.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Lucky, Good luck with this one!? I have had quite a lot of correspondence over the years with various family researchers on the Hudsons, and they are a challenge. ?Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get the truth behind all this. ?I have it thata) Henry died at sea on the John en route or before sailing to South Africa - The Settler Handbook, page 80, Hayhurst's partyb) There is some doubt that Henry was actually married to Mary (Mary Hugget Hudson, born May 1797, sister of Hougham Hudson). ?It is thought that they declared as man and wife by Hayhurst, to save on the costs of the scheme and that their children, Richard and James, were actually her younger brothers. ?Their reported ages differ between Morse Jones and Nash. I do have quite a few notes on this 'family' under the respective persons on my www.1820Settlers.com,?mainly written by Rob Prestwich, a Hudson and Robinson researcher. ?We also have it that James married a Rosa Collier, but no source. Regards Paul TT?-- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email : eighteentwenty@btinternet.com website : www.1820Settlers.com On Saturday, 27 June 2015, 10:42, Laquita Belinfante via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: Megan I am hoping that you and fellow Listers can help me make a Hudson connection. I am aware that two Hudson men came to South Africa. Maybe they were brothers, Hougham and Henry. My HUDSON branch are descendant from Henry.? The little information I have is as follows: Henry *abt 1778 X Mary NN, Two sons, Richard and James. James HUDSON X Antoinette Annie LEHMAN. I have found two children, a daughter, Annie Antoinette HUDSON *1854 -1937 X Francis William JAMES in 1872 (son of 1820 settler Elizabeth KNIBBS)? XX Cornelis MOSTERT 1890.? And son, Charles William HUDSON *1862-1933 X Johanna Eveldina BRANDT 1864-1934 in Potchefstroom. That is all the snippets of information that I have and a little on the BRANDT family. I have assumed here that Annie Antoinette HUDSON and Charles William HUDSON, are sibling. Sincerely hoping someone can help here. Lucky --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 05:29:52 +1200 From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA To: danielmalanjacobs <danielmalanjacobs@gmail.com>, south-africa@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <448FD66DBA6B4A0A932B7AC7B4C57211@PatricaPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; reply-type=original Thanks Dan. I'll explore that. The name is certainly familiar. Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "danielmalanjacobs via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:42 AM To: "Colin M?hr" <mohr@lantic.net>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > Pat I think the first one is what we call in Afrikaans a 'Karee boom' The > fancy name of probably one of the most common one's is Rhus Africanus. The > only fancy name of a tree I know. > > Regards > > Daniel > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Colin M?hr via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Date: 27/06/2015 01:59 (GMT-04:00) > To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>,south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > > Hi Pat, > If you click on http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantoftheweek/species_a.htm > and scroll through, you will probably recognise the second tree, probably > a > smaller sort of ACACIA. > Kind Regards, > Colin Mohr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Frykberg via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <enquiry@puccini-namibia.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:50 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > > >> There are botanists and naturalists out there who I am sure will have >> these answers for me ? >> >> 1. The tree in question is, from my childhood's viewpoint quite tall. It >> carried long pods we called boointjies, edible, green at first and sharp >> taste, but later dried out a brown colour with the flesh now a dusty >> beige >> and dry. I have had one description ---- is it called prosopis. ? >> Camelthorn? I remember these from Okahandja, mainly. >> >> 2. On a smallish shrubby tree with I think thorns, we would eat the sweet >> gum that oozed from a wound in the bark. Sometimes the gum was very thick >> honey-like and sweet/woody and blood red, or dried in yellowish sweet >> crisp lumps. >> >> These are memories going back to the 1930s. 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