Thank you Johann. Yes I think you are right about the Kameeldoring. I shall, in the morning, go to the soetdoring which sounds just what I am after. It was such lovely stuff to eat, picked off the bark, hardened by the air outside but like runny honey inside. Red or yellow. I can taste it still and that was 80 years ago! many thanks Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "Johann Hanekom via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:03 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA (Pat Frykberg) > Hi Pat > > I think the trees you refer to are the 'Soetdoring' (Acacia karroo), see > https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soetdoring, which produces a sweet gum as > you > described. > The other one could be the 'Kameeldoring' (Acacia erioloba), see > https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kameeldoring > > Johann Hanekom > Lancaster UK > http://www.hanekom.org.uk/gedview/individual.php?pid=I1967&ged=hanekom.ged > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: 28 June 2015 08:01 > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 180 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. The HUDSON family (Laquita Belinfante) > 2. Re: Name of two trees common in SWA (danielmalanjacobs) > 3. Re: The HUDSON family (Eighteen-Twenty Settlers) > 4. Re: Name of two trees common in SWA (Pat Frykberg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:37:59 +0200 > From: "Laquita Belinfante" <belinfante@telkomsa.net> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] The HUDSON family > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000b01d0b0bc$f5af9710$e10ec530$@telkomsa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Megan > > I am hoping that you and fellow Listers can help me make a Hudson > connection. > > I am aware that two Hudson men came to South Africa. Maybe they were > brothers, Hougham and Henry. > > My HUDSON branch are descendant from Henry. The little information I have > is as follows: > > Henry *abt 1778 X Mary NN, Two sons, Richard and James. > > James HUDSON X Antoinette Annie LEHMAN. > > I have found two children, a daughter, Annie Antoinette HUDSON *1854 -1937 > X > Francis William JAMES in 1872 (son of 1820 settler Elizabeth KNIBBS) XX > Cornelis MOSTERT 1890. > And son, Charles William HUDSON *1862-1933 X Johanna Eveldina BRANDT > 1864-1934 in Potchefstroom. > > That is all the snippets of information that I have and a little on the > BRANDT family. > > I have assumed here that Annie Antoinette HUDSON and Charles William > HUDSON, > are sibling. > > Sincerely hoping someone can help here. > > Lucky > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:42:26 -0500 > From: danielmalanjacobs <danielmalanjacobs@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > To: Colin M?hr <mohr@lantic.net>, "south-africa@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <ydctx8yxrt9xg3g1um7mwpp4.1435419746995@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Pat I think the first one is what we call in Afrikaans a 'Karee boom' The > fancy name of probably one of the most common one's is Rhus Africanus. The > only fancy name of a tree I know.? > > Regards > > Daniel > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Colin M?hr via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Date: 27/06/2015 01:59 (GMT-04:00) > To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>,south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > > Hi Pat, > If you click on http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantoftheweek/species_a.htm > and scroll through, you will probably recognise the second tree, probably > a > smaller sort of ACACIA. > Kind Regards, > Colin Mohr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Frykberg via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <enquiry@puccini-namibia.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:50 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > > >> There are botanists and naturalists out there who I am sure will have >> these answers for me ? >> >> 1. The tree in question is, from my childhood's viewpoint quite tall. It >> carried long pods we called boointjies, edible, green at first and sharp >> taste, but later dried out a brown colour with the flesh now a dusty >> beige > >> and dry. I have had one description ---- is it called prosopis. ? >> Camelthorn? I remember these from Okahandja, mainly. >> >> 2. On a smallish shrubby tree with I think thorns, we would eat the sweet >> gum that oozed from a wound in the bark. Sometimes the gum was very thick >> honey-like and sweet/woody and blood red,? or dried in yellowish sweet >> crisp? lumps. >> >> These are memories going back to the 1930s. I would Love to have the >> answers, please. >> Many thanks >> Patricia Frykberg. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:01:45 +0000 (UTC) > From: Eighteen-Twenty Settlers <eighteentwenty@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] The HUDSON family > To: Laquita Belinfante <belinfante@telkomsa.net>, > "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <159843622.1188938.1435406505750.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Lucky, > Good luck with this one!? > I have had quite a lot of correspondence over the years with various > family > researchers on the Hudsons, and they are a challenge. ?Unfortunately I > don't > think we will ever get the truth behind all this. ?I have it thata) Henry > died at sea on the John en route or before sailing to South Africa - The > Settler Handbook, page 80, Hayhurst's partyb) There is some doubt that > Henry > was actually married to Mary (Mary Hugget Hudson, born May 1797, sister of > Hougham Hudson). ?It is thought that they declared as man and wife by > Hayhurst, to save on the costs of the scheme and that their children, > Richard and James, were actually her younger brothers. ?Their reported > ages > differ between Morse Jones and Nash. > I do have quite a few notes on this 'family' under the respective persons > on > my www.1820Settlers.com,?mainly written by Rob Prestwich, a Hudson and > Robinson researcher. ?We also have it that James married a Rosa Collier, > but > no source. > Regards > Paul TT?-- > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > Hampshire, England > email : eighteentwenty@btinternet.com > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > > On Saturday, 27 June 2015, 10:42, Laquita Belinfante via > <south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Megan > > I am hoping that you and fellow Listers can help me make a Hudson > connection. > > I am aware that two Hudson men came to South Africa. Maybe they were > brothers, Hougham and Henry. > > My HUDSON branch are descendant from Henry.? The little information I have > is as follows: > > Henry *abt 1778 X Mary NN, Two sons, Richard and James. > > James HUDSON X Antoinette Annie LEHMAN. > > I have found two children, a daughter, Annie Antoinette HUDSON *1854 -1937 > X > Francis William JAMES in 1872 (son of 1820 settler Elizabeth KNIBBS)? XX > Cornelis MOSTERT 1890.? > And son, Charles William HUDSON *1862-1933 X Johanna Eveldina BRANDT > 1864-1934 in Potchefstroom. > > That is all the snippets of information that I have and a little on the > BRANDT family. > > I have assumed here that Annie Antoinette HUDSON and Charles William > HUDSON, > are sibling. > > Sincerely hoping someone can help here. > > Lucky > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 05:29:52 +1200 > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > To: danielmalanjacobs <danielmalanjacobs@gmail.com>, > south-africa@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <448FD66DBA6B4A0A932B7AC7B4C57211@PatricaPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; > reply-type=original > > Thanks Dan. I'll explore that. The name is certainly familiar. > Pat > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "danielmalanjacobs via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:42 AM > To: "Colin M?hr" <mohr@lantic.net>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA > >> Pat I think the first one is what we call in Afrikaans a 'Karee boom' The >> fancy name of probably one of the most common one's is Rhus Africanus. >> The > >> only fancy name of a tree I know. >> >> Regards >> >> Daniel >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Colin M?hr via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 27/06/2015 01:59 (GMT-04:00) >> To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>,south-africa@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA >> >> Hi Pat, >> If you click on http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantoftheweek/species_a.htm >> and scroll through, you will probably recognise the second tree, probably >> a >> smaller sort of ACACIA. >> Kind Regards, >> Colin Mohr >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pat Frykberg via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> >> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <enquiry@puccini-namibia.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:50 AM >> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Name of two trees common in SWA >> >> >>> There are botanists and naturalists out there who I am sure will have >>> these answers for me ? >>> >>> 1. The tree in question is, from my childhood's viewpoint quite tall. It >>> carried long pods we called boointjies, edible, green at first and sharp >>> taste, but later dried out a brown colour with the flesh now a dusty >>> beige >>> and dry. I have had one description ---- is it called prosopis. ? >>> Camelthorn? I remember these from Okahandja, mainly. >>> >>> 2. On a smallish shrubby tree with I think thorns, we would eat the >>> sweet >>> gum that oozed from a wound in the bark. Sometimes the gum was very >>> thick >>> honey-like and sweet/woody and blood red, or dried in yellowish sweet >>> crisp lumps. >>> >>> These are memories going back to the 1930s. 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On 28 Jun 2015 at 21:20, Pat Frykberg via wrote: > Thank you Johann. Yes I think you are right about the Kameeldoring. I shall, > in the morning, go to the soetdoring which sounds just what I am after. It was > such lovely stuff to eat, picked off the bark, hardened by the air outside but > like runny honey inside. Red or yellow. I can taste it still and that was 80 > years ago! many thanks Pat We have a large thorn tree in the corner of aour garden, which might be similar to the ones at Okahandja. as it is the kind that would grow best next to rivers, and I seem to remember similar trees along the banks of the Swakop. I'd interested if anyone could tell us the name of our tree too. Pictures here, all over catkins in the spring: https://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2014/10/10/springtime-and-catkins/ and being trimmed after a bit fell off last autumn: https://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/trimming-a-tree/ -- Keep well, Steve & Val Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Phone: 073-759-0353 (cell) 012-333-6727 (landline) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus