Sonia, Heinrich WEYER(S) was from Germany. Your information seems to be mostly from Hoge: "Personalia of the Germans at the Cape", though it is slightly garbled. Here is the exact entry from that book: Quote: WEYERS, HEINRICH, also called WEYER, HENDRIKS.- Epe. Arr. 1702 as so., wagon-driver 1705, b. 1714. married 1.5.1718 Anna Elisabeth Gerritsdogter, i.e. d. of Caspar Gerrits of Nimwegen and Elsje Speldenberg, bapt. 18.10.1699. 3 children. Died 5.8.1725. (GMR 1704-5; V.C. 56; G.R. nr. 172.) Another daughter of W. seems to have been Adriana Weyers, bapt. 29.9 .1748 at Stellenbosch as grown-up person, married to Johann Martin Schwebler (q.v.) and Christoffel Heyske (q.v.). Unquote. Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:27:30 AM EST From: "Gerda gmail" <gerda.pieterse@gmail.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Weyers -- Holland and Germany It means daughter of Gerrit, not Gerrits, the latter is again a patronymic and means son of. Therefore if she is really Anna Elisabeth Gerritsdochter, she can't be the child of a Caspar, because she would have been A E Casparsdochter. With zoon, or zn or s at the end it (male suffix) it can already be used as a fixed surname, but with dochter at the end - that was just not done. You must therefore look for a different father. Gerda ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce" <bruce@unibind.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Weyers -- Holland and Germany > Sonia, > > I don't know if you know but "GERRITSDOCHTER" is not a name,it means > daughter of Gerrits. > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Rodger > Sent: 12 November 2011 03:52 > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Weyers -- Holland and Germany > > On 12 Nov 2011, at 4:31 AM, Sonia van Heerden wrote: > >> I have another surname that is puzzling me. >> >> My records indicate that Heinrich WEYERS (or Weyer HENDRIKS) was >> born ca 1680 in either Eppe, Germany or Netherlands, christened in >> 1700. He arrived in SA 1702 on the Oostersteen, married May 1, 1718 >> to (Elsje) Anna Elisabeth GERRITSDOCHTER, daughter of Caspar >> GERRITS (GERRYTS) and Elsie (Elisabeth) (PYL) SPELDENBERG. He was a >> soldier and burger 1714, had 3 daughters. >> >> Can anyone advise me whether he was in fact from the Netherlands or >> Germany? >> >> Sonia >> Toronto, Canada > > Epe is in Germany, but only maybe 10 kilometres SSE of Enschede in > the Netherlands. > > The western border of German has been changed a number of times, even > after World War I when a slab of territory was taken from Germany and > added to Belgium in exchange for Belgium ceding a similar slice > surrounding Dunkerk to France. (Its Flemish name was Duinekerke, > "the Church on the Dunes", and its current name is Dunkerque, a > curious hybrid spelling.) There are still a few Flemish-named > villages remaining in France: for example, Marck, just west of > Dunkirk; the village of Oost-Duinekerke is in Belgium. That change > was made linguistic grounds, the population being more French than > Flemish-speaking, but to this day perhaps 10% of Belgium's population > is German-speaking. I don't know whether similar changes occurred > with the Dutch border, bearing in mind that the Dutch were on the > German side in that war, but Epe could possibly be of partly German > character; nevertheless it is now in Germany. If you have a map, > it's just a little way off the A31. > > It needs to be borne in mind that "Germany", as a political entity, > only came into existence in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian War; it > was whittled down from around 360 separate princely States before the > French Revolution to its present number of around 13 or 14. The main > phases were: some amalgamations after the French Revolutionary Wars, > more consolidation after the Franco-Prussian War when Austria was > squeezed out because of its control of huge non-German-speaking > countries, and the further changes when Austria, also on the losing > side, was stripped of most of its territory after World War I by the > granting of autonomy to those countries as Yugoslavia, > Czechoslovakia, etc (and those countries have been further > dismembered by ethnic squabbles since Soviet control collapsed). > > As an aside, there are also people known as "Pennsylvania Dutch": > these are actually descendants of German immigrants. Indeed, the > word "Dutch" has a clear etymological link to Deutsch which means > "German". So both terms have to be used carefully in the context of > the times you are talking about. > > Andrew Rodger > rodgera@audioio.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message