Hi, Richard, As always, it seems, you scratch the "facts" to reveal the inconsistencies. We have talked about de Villiers / Pama and SA Genealogies. I looked in Malherbe's "Stamouers van die Afrikanervolk", and in Colenbrander's "De Afkomst der Boeren". I did not find Hendrik Weyer nor any plausible alias mentioned in either. That bothers me a lot. Unreliable as these sources may be, when they agree (except for SAG) I believe they are probably based on independent views of the original documents. When they disagree, my confidence in any of the information drops a lot. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:31:32 PM EST From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> To: Keith Meintjes <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Weyers -- Holland and Germany Hello Keith, Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:54:50 PM, you wrote: >> Keith you state: Heinrich WEYER(S) was from Germany. >> You base this, presumably, on his inclusion in Hoge's Personalia of >> Germans at the Cape (or do you have other evidence?). KM> Yes, based on Hoge, but also on the name (Heinrich, not always KM> Hendrik, and the lack of anything contrary in sources like SA KM> Genealogies.) In my 'relentless search for primary sources' as you call it, although I have not seen the two sources that Hoge quotes and which I mentioned in my earlier email, I have never come across his name given as 'Heinrich'. In the muster rolls he appears, from 1718 until 1722 (the last I have access to) as Weijer Hendrikse & Anna Elisabeth and his wife also as above, never any surname, although it is the usual practice in these lists to list wives with their own surnames. and in such baptismal entries as I have seen, as 1720 d'Vader Weyer Hendrikse, d'Moeder Anna Gerritse 1721 d'Vader Hendrik Weijers, d'Moeder Anna Gerritse 1724 d'Vader Weyer Hendrikx, Moeder Anna Lysbet Gerritse If Anna Lijsbet was indeed the same person as the baptised daugher of Casper Gerritsz, and it seems likely, then her ancestors are here: http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/robberts/I095.html All the best, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message