Hello Sonia, Thank you for your note of your sources. I did not have the MOOC 8/14.47b and for that I am most grateful. I have added that info to my database. Some of the others you quote I know have no information on birth dates or places, others are unknown to me but I doubt they mention the original sources of their info unless the P.J. Putter letter may. I should also be grateful to know what this source is: 50 years death notices it is unknown to me. Thank you, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk