Hello Keith, Further to my message of this morning, I have looked a bit further and found the Inventory of Magdalena Catharina's mother: http://www.tanap.net/content/activities/documents/Orphan_Chamber-Cape_of_Good_Hope/index.htm MOOC8/23.40 Sara de Clerck 11 November 1801 her fifth child (as listed) reads: 5) de kinderen van wijlen Catharina Erasmus in twee huwelijken verwekt bij de burgers Frans Kruger en Hannes Meijntjes That is pretty conclusive, I think. All the best, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk