Delia, I think it will be better to say that Detlef Biebow and Diana, slave of Cornelius Linnes, are the parents of Susanna Biebow. Eight years later, Biebow bought a slave, Diana of Madagascar, for whom there is no previous trace to Biebow or to Linnes. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 08 May 2011 09:13:49 AM EDT From: DRobertson <delia.robertson@gmail.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Diana vd Kaap, mother of Susanna Biebow (Bibault) = 1687 On 2011/05/08 02:55 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Delia wrote: > >> Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the >> mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. > In: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5140.htm > > we find: > > "Lovers In 1686 Diana van Madagascar and Detlef Bibault were lovers at de Caep > de Goede Hoop.4,5" > Hardly sounds like "a candidate" to me. Also, "lovers" is a very curious way > to describe such a relationship with a female slave. Whatever Keith, to me she is a very good candidate to be Susanna's mother. The next release will say, "may have been lovers" ... because if Diana v. Madagascar was Susanna's mother and then she is then purchased by Bibault a few years later, that indicates to me to me there was a relationship of some kind. In fact there were many relationships between free men and slave women that could be described that way, in the sense that they continued over a period of time, and they appeared to be somewhat more than master and slave. This continued up to the nineteenth century. Apart from the fact that some of these couples married after a time, the record is littered with mentions and bequests to slave women. Delia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message