Richard, I cannot answer your question of Delia. However, "Bibault" is given as an alternate spelling in SA Genealogies. I suppose it is a plausible French spelling. I did search NAAIRS on all the variations of the name I could think of, and did not find much of anything. That form of the surname is used in the Huisgenoot article of 1928, which contributes to the Afrikaner mythology (where Detleef's son, Hendrik, proclaims himself an Afrikaner). So, we have all the elements: An illegitimate child by a slave. Marriage to a weesmeisie (orphan girl) from the Berg China. A son who is the first person to proclaim himself an Afrikaner. A man who later becomes a surgeon, and purchases the slave mother of his illegitimate child, while still fathering children by his wife. Someone should write a novel. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 08 May 2011 10:49:59 AM EDT From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> To: DRobertson <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Diana vd Kaap, mother of Susanna Biebow (Bibault) = 1687 Hello Delia, As a matter of interest, I have found the following: http://vocopvarenden.nationaalarchief.nl/detail.aspx?ID=1627486 DetailgegevensGegevens van Ditlof Bibot uit Gres Datum indiensttreding: 19-12-1683 Datum uit dienst: 06-03-1687 Functie bij indiensttreding: Lanspassaat Reden uit dienst: Vrijburger Uitgevaren met het schip: Juffrouw Anna Waar uit dienst: Kaap de Goede Hoop Maandbrief: Nee Schuldbrief: Ja Gegevens van de vaart Schip: Juffrouw Anna Vertrek: 19-12-1683 Kamer: Amsterdam Kaap: 04-04-1684 24-04-1684 Inventarisnummer: 5316 Folio: 70 Aankomst: 21-06-1684 Batavia DAS- en reisnr.: 1466.1 ------ I see you list his surname as BIBAULT - what is your source for that spelling as opposed to some form of BIBOU which seems to what is recorded in all the records? Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow! On 9 May 2011, at 12:22 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Richard, > > I cannot answer your question of Delia. > > However, "Bibault" is given as an alternate spelling in SA > Genealogies. I > suppose it is a plausible French spelling. I did search NAAIRS on > all the > variations of the name I could think of, and did not find much of > anything. > > That form of the surname is used in the Huisgenoot article of 1928, > which > contributes to the Afrikaner mythology (where Detleef's son, Hendrik, > proclaims himself an Afrikaner). > > So, we have all the elements: An illegitimate child by a slave. > Marriage to > a weesmeisie (orphan girl) from the Berg China. A son who is the > first person > to proclaim himself an Afrikaner. A man who later becomes a > surgeon, and > purchases the slave mother of his illegitimate child, while still > fathering > children by his wife. > > Someone should write a novel. > > Keith Fascinating parallels with the story of Thomas Jefferson's family, which I first became aware of during a visit to Monticello, his home (depicted on the US 5c coin), near Charlottesville, VA, and explored further in a volume of his papers and Conor Cruise O'Brien's "The Long Affair", Sinclair-Stevenson, London 1996, ISBN 1 85619 637 2 (hardback) or 1 85619 628 3 (paperback). As I recall it, though, Jefferson at least waited until his wife was dead before taking up with her personal slave-lady's maid; but that slave was actually his wife's half-sister, fathered on one of his slaves by Jefferson's father-in-law. Their descendants separated into two camps, primarily on the basis of their skin colour: those who looked whiter married white and their families became "white", while those who were darker married black and their descendants identified as "black". This, too, could make quite a novel -- perhaps on similar lines to Dan Sleigh's "Islands"; but I reckon Bibault's story in the right hands could be better than either! Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com