Richard, On 2011/05/08 12:27 PM, Richard Ball wrote: > I have always found it very difficult to follow the various write-ups > that derive slave ancestry and relate one slave transaction to another > and to baptism register and slave lodge records. > > snip > > Unless someone has more evidence available than the above I do not see > how Susanna Bibouw's mother can be given with any assurance as other > than 'Diana, slave of Cornelius Linnes'. > > I may well be missing something here, and certainly I have no > experience of Slave research, but anything else seems to me to be pure > speculation? No, it is informed speculation. Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. Importantly, beyond informed speculation, it also entails a process of elimination - in this case including the number of slave women at the Cape in 1686 of child-bearing age (some were too young), the number named Diana (less than 5), and the number known to have had some connection with Bibault, and the relationship or connection between Bibault and Linnes. No other slave woman named Diana has thus far presented in the records as a candidate. Delia

Hello Delia, You wrote: D> No, it is informed speculation. Which is why Diana van Madagascar is D> presented as a candidate for the mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the D> biological mother. I am sorry - now that I look at the page again I see she is given the role: Mother-Can* - I was not aware that this meant a candidate for mother. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Hello Delia, As a matter of interest, I have found the following: http://vocopvarenden.nationaalarchief.nl/detail.aspx?ID=1627486 DetailgegevensGegevens van Ditlof Bibot uit Gres Datum indiensttreding: 19-12-1683 Datum uit dienst: 06-03-1687 Functie bij indiensttreding: Lanspassaat Reden uit dienst: Vrijburger Uitgevaren met het schip: Juffrouw Anna Waar uit dienst: Kaap de Goede Hoop Maandbrief: Nee Schuldbrief: Ja Gegevens van de vaart Schip: Juffrouw Anna Vertrek: 19-12-1683 Kamer: Amsterdam Kaap: 04-04-1684 24-04-1684 Inventarisnummer: 5316 Folio: 70 Aankomst: 21-06-1684 Batavia DAS- en reisnr.: 1466.1 ------ I see you list his surname as BIBAULT - what is your source for that spelling as opposed to some form of BIBOU which seems to what is recorded in all the records? Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk