I do have a copy! TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan" <morgenthal@amobia.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Scorched Earth Policy..... > Those times of South African history are, while tragic in so many > respects, > of a gripping nature. So much has been said and written about the Second > Anglo Boer War, but for anybody who wants to enhance their knowledge of > the > subject you can hardly go wrong by obtaining a copy of Thomas Pakenham's > "The Boer War". It reads easily and contains, in my view at least, a > balanced and thought provoking description of the war. Get it, you will > not > be dissapointed. > When it comes to the war's costs in lives and money, you will find > references to it throughout the book, but perhaps more to the point in the > Epilogue called "Winners and Losers" where the horrendous expenditure on > the > British side, the Boer population as well as the "Black" peoples who were > caught up in the comflict is recounted. > While their losses in lives were to a large extent been ignored until > recently, it is a fact that in addition to the 19 concentration camps for > Boer woman (elderly men) and children, where some 28 000 of them died from > hunger, malnutrition and diseases; 65 camps were used to house 140 514 > black > people where at least 24 000 men women and children died in most atrocious > conditions. > While there were more than 100 000 casualties among the 365,693 imperial > and > 82,742 colonial soldiers on the British side, the 7,000 to 8,000 deaths > among the 87,365 Boer soldiers - added to the deaths in the concentration > camps - were far, far more significant on a relative scale. > I once read (and unfortunately I can not remember where) what the > demographic impact of these losses must have had and still have on the > South > African population, but it is enormous. > Well, if only we will learn from the mistakes of the past, but it seems to > happen over and over again - even in our time! > Regards > Johan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:24 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Scorched Earth Policy..... > > >>I certainly did not expect to see so much reaction to my simple request >>for >> information about deaths at the concentration camps. >> I simply want the facts. >> They do not seem to be so readily available as so much information is >> from >> the more knowledgeable people on these lists. >> I have been so lucky in the past with an ask-and-you-will-receive. >> Some good references for me to get hold of. And a lot of reading. I have >> read much about Emily Hobhouse. >> Thanks all. >> Pat Frykberg >> >> : Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] List of concentration camps. SA War. >>>> >>>>Pat, >>>> >>>>A couple of people were irritated by my post. Nonetheless, I suggest >>> you look >>>>for biographies online for: >>>> >>>>Frederich Sleigh ROBERTS >>>> >>>>Horatio Herbert KITCHENER >>>> >>>>Emily HOBHOUSE >>>> >>>>You can judge for yourself. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4675 - Release Date: 12/11/11 >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 57 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4675 - Release Date: 12/11/11 >