I certainly did not expect to see so much reaction to my simple request for information about deaths at the concentration camps. I simply want the facts. They do not seem to be so readily available as so much information is from the more knowledgeable people on these lists. I have been so lucky in the past with an ask-and-you-will-receive. Some good references for me to get hold of. And a lot of reading. I have read much about Emily Hobhouse. Thanks all. Pat Frykberg : Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] List of concentration camps. SA War. >> >>Pat, >> >>A couple of people were irritated by my post. Nonetheless, I suggest > you look >>for biographies online for: >> >>Frederich Sleigh ROBERTS >> >>Horatio Herbert KITCHENER >> >>Emily HOBHOUSE >> >>You can judge for yourself.

She was a remarkable woman....Emily Hobhouse. Did a lot of wonderful work! Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Scorched Earth Policy..... >I certainly did not expect to see so much reaction to my simple request for > information about deaths at the concentration camps. > I simply want the facts. > They do not seem to be so readily available as so much information is from > the more knowledgeable people on these lists. > I have been so lucky in the past with an ask-and-you-will-receive. > Some good references for me to get hold of. And a lot of reading. I have > read much about Emily Hobhouse. > Thanks all. > Pat Frykberg > > : Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] List of concentration camps. SA War. >>> >>>Pat, >>> >>>A couple of people were irritated by my post. Nonetheless, I suggest >> you look >>>for biographies online for: >>> >>>Frederich Sleigh ROBERTS >>> >>>Horatio Herbert KITCHENER >>> >>>Emily HOBHOUSE >>> >>>You can judge for yourself. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4674 - Release Date: 12/11/11 >

Those times of South African history are, while tragic in so many respects, of a gripping nature. So much has been said and written about the Second Anglo Boer War, but for anybody who wants to enhance their knowledge of the subject you can hardly go wrong by obtaining a copy of Thomas Pakenham's "The Boer War". It reads easily and contains, in my view at least, a balanced and thought provoking description of the war. Get it, you will not be dissapointed. When it comes to the war's costs in lives and money, you will find references to it throughout the book, but perhaps more to the point in the Epilogue called "Winners and Losers" where the horrendous expenditure on the British side, the Boer population as well as the "Black" peoples who were caught up in the comflict is recounted. While their losses in lives were to a large extent been ignored until recently, it is a fact that in addition to the 19 concentration camps for Boer woman (elderly men) and children, where some 28 000 of them died from hunger, malnutrition and diseases; 65 camps were used to house 140 514 black people where at least 24 000 men women and children died in most atrocious conditions. While there were more than 100 000 casualties among the 365,693 imperial and 82,742 colonial soldiers on the British side, the 7,000 to 8,000 deaths among the 87,365 Boer soldiers - added to the deaths in the concentration camps - were far, far more significant on a relative scale. I once read (and unfortunately I can not remember where) what the demographic impact of these losses must have had and still have on the South African population, but it is enormous. Well, if only we will learn from the mistakes of the past, but it seems to happen over and over again - even in our time! Regards Johan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Scorched Earth Policy..... >I certainly did not expect to see so much reaction to my simple request for > information about deaths at the concentration camps. > I simply want the facts. > They do not seem to be so readily available as so much information is from > the more knowledgeable people on these lists. > I have been so lucky in the past with an ask-and-you-will-receive. > Some good references for me to get hold of. And a lot of reading. I have > read much about Emily Hobhouse. > Thanks all. > Pat Frykberg > > : Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] List of concentration camps. SA War. >>> >>>Pat, >>> >>>A couple of people were irritated by my post. Nonetheless, I suggest >> you look >>>for biographies online for: >>> >>>Frederich Sleigh ROBERTS >>> >>>Horatio Herbert KITCHENER >>> >>>Emily HOBHOUSE >>> >>>You can judge for yourself. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4675 - Release Date: 12/11/11 > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 57 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message