On 28 Dec 2011 at 23:32, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Carol is using a hyphen. I can't work out the ASCII code. I've just typed a test paragraph in MS Word, and copied and pasted it below: === text copied and pasted from MS word === Testing the effects of using non Ascii characters in various word processors. This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyphens - into an en-dash - like that. It also has smart "quotes", which sometimes can produce funny results. === end of copied and pasted text === No untoward results, no Euro signs. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Hi Steve I'm using Microsoft Office Word 2000 Carol -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hayes Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:46 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD 08.12.1944 On 28 Dec 2011 at 23:32, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Carol is using a hyphen. I can't work out the ASCII code. I've just typed a test paragraph in MS Word, and copied and pasted it below: === text copied and pasted from MS word === Testing the effects of using non Ascii characters in various word processors. This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyphens - into an en-dash - like that. It also has smart "quotes", which sometimes can produce funny results. === end of copied and pasted text === No untoward results, no Euro signs. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4108 - Release Date: 12/28/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4108 - Release Date: 12/28/11

ࡱ It turns out to be quite unreadable. Converted to odt format used by open office. Import test document from that: PK Still unreadable. 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h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 {\rtlch \ltrch\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177\i0\b0 Testing the effects of using non Ascii characters in various pord processors. This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyp hens \'96 into an en-dash \'96 like that. It also has smart \'93quotes\'94, which sometimes can produce funny results. } \par \pard\plain \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 \par \pard\plain \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 \par \pard\plain \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 \par } With the result being more or less what I would expect. So where are those Euro signs coming from? On 29 Dec 2011 at 7:46, Steve Hayes wrote: > On 28 Dec 2011 at 23:32, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > > Carol is using a hyphen. I can't work out the ASCII code. > > I've just typed a test paragraph in MS Word, and copied and pasted it below: > > === text copied and pasted from MS word === > Testing the effects of using non Ascii characters in various word processors. > This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyphens - into an en-dash - like > that. It also has smart "quotes", which sometimes can produce funny results. > === end of copied and pasted text === > > No untoward results, no Euro signs. OK, let's try *importing* the MS Word doc into the mail reader, instead of just copying and pasting it: ÐÏ -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Hi If Encoding on Outlook Express is set to Western European you get BOUCHER â?" To Mr and Mrs W.H. BOUCHER, a bonny Daughter on the 20th October, at provincial Hospital If set at Western European (Windows) BOUCHER – To Mr and Mrs W.H. BOUCHER, a bonny Daughter on the 20th October, at provincial Hospital If set at Unicode BOUCHER – To Mr and Mrs W.H. BOUCHER, a bonny Daughter on the 20th October, at provincial Hospital Regards Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD 08.12.1944 ࡱ It turns out to be quite unreadable. Converted to odt format used by open office. Import test document from that: PK Still unreadable. 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This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyp hens \'96 into an en-dash \'96 like that. It also has smart \'93quotes\'94, which sometimes can produce funny results. } \par \pard\plain \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 \par \pard\plain \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 \par \pard\plain \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 \par } With the result being more or less what I would expect. So where are those Euro signs coming from? On 29 Dec 2011 at 7:46, Steve Hayes wrote: > On 28 Dec 2011 at 23:32, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > > Carol is using a hyphen. I can't work out the ASCII code. > > I've just typed a test paragraph in MS Word, and copied and pasted it > below: > > === text copied and pasted from MS word === > Testing the effects of using non Ascii characters in various word > processors. > This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyphens - into an en-dash - > like > that. It also has smart "quotes", which sometimes can produce funny > results. > === end of copied and pasted text === > > No untoward results, no Euro signs. OK, let's try *importing* the MS Word doc into the mail reader, instead of just copying and pasting it: -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clever girl! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat McLeod" <mcleod@global.co.za> To: <shayes@dunelm.org.uk>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD 08.12.1944 > Hi > > If Encoding on Outlook Express is set to Western European you get > > BOUCHER â?" To Mr and Mrs W.H. BOUCHER, a bonny Daughter on the 20th > October, at provincial Hospital > > If set at Western European (Windows) > BOUCHER – To Mr and Mrs W.H. BOUCHER, a bonny Daughter on the 20th > October, at provincial Hospital > > If set at Unicode > BOUCHER – To Mr and Mrs W.H. BOUCHER, a bonny Daughter on the 20th > October, > at provincial Hospital > > Regards > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD 08.12.1944 > > > > ࡱ > > > It turns out to be quite unreadable. > > Converted to odt format used by open office. > > Import test document from that: > > PK > > > Still unreadable. > > Try importing it in rtf: > > {\rtf1\ansi\deff0\adeflang1025 > {\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New > Roman;}{\f1\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New > Roman;}{\f2\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f3\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 > Bookman > Old Style;}{\f4\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New > Roman;}{\f5\fswiss\fprq0\fcharset0 Arial > Bold;}{\f6\fmodern\fprq0\fcharset0 > Cour > ier New;}{\f7\fswiss\fprq0\fcharset0 Arial Bold > Italic;}{\f8\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Tms Rmn{\*\falt Times New > 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This is MS Word, which tends to > convert two hyp > hens \'96 into an en-dash \'96 like that. It also has smart > \'93quotes\'94, > which sometimes can produce funny results. } > \par \pard\plain > \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic > h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 > \par \pard\plain > \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic > h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 > \par \pard\plain > \ltrpar\s1\aspalpha\ql\rtlch\af0\afs20\lang1081\ltrch\dbch\af10\langfe1033\hic > h\f3\fs22\lang7177\loch\f3\fs22\lang7177 > \par } > > With the result being more or less what I would expect. > > So where are those Euro signs coming from? > > > > > On 29 Dec 2011 at 7:46, Steve Hayes wrote: > >> On 28 Dec 2011 at 23:32, Keith Meintjes wrote: >> >> > Carol is using a hyphen. I can't work out the ASCII code. >> >> I've just typed a test paragraph in MS Word, and copied and pasted it >> below: >> >> === text copied and pasted from MS word === >> Testing the effects of using non Ascii characters in various word >> processors. >> This is MS Word, which tends to convert two hyphens - into an en-dash - >> like >> that. It also has smart "quotes", which sometimes can produce funny >> results. >> === end of copied and pasted text === >> >> No untoward results, no Euro signs. > > OK, let's try *importing* the MS Word doc into the mail reader, instead of > just copying and pasting it: > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message