All, According to the MEINTJES genealogy, b4 c3 Johannes Petrus MEINTJES =1751 x Magdalena Catharina ERASMUS xx Hester Cecilia OLIVIER. His son, d1, also Johannes Petrus =1785, x 30.5.1808 Elizabeth Magrietha BOTHA = 1795. She was the d/o Frederick Johannes Botha and Maria Catharina Potgieter. Except, a TANAP inventory clearly states that EM Botha was the wife of the first JP Meintjes. I perhaps need to get beyond that she was 13 and he was 57 at the time of their marriage (his third). I plan to research this when I am in Cape Town next month. Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted. Ariel Rudolph and I have previously researched HC Olivier, who was previously married to an Oosthuizen. Thank you, Keith