On 24/09/2011 11:18 AM, south-africa-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > (Rebecca Williams) > 2. Re: Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > (Ian Thirlwell) > 3. Re: Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > (Ian Thirlwell) > 4. Occupation: BALJU (Keith Meintjes) > 5. Re: Occupation: BALJU (Johann H Claassen) > 6. Re: Occupation: BALJU (tombipeck@talktalk.net) > 7. Re: Occupation: BALJU (Keith Meintjes) > 8. Re: Occupation: BALJU (Steve Hayes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:43:41 +0200 > From: Rebecca Williams<rmwilliams@ziggo.nl> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism > Records > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<351D1B83-3A42-4A40-AB6D-76EA65C29FAB@ziggo.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Dear All, > > I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, places, occupations etc). > > Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) > Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) > > Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER > Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, England > > Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to these baptism records cropped up. > > Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? > > Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any UK look-ups that may be required. > > Best regards, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:17:17 +0100 > From: "Ian Thirlwell"<thirlwell.it@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism > Records > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<A3E42A0184124AF5B860CA7D8D7240CC@IanThirlwellPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage > for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North > Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register > entry is available on Ancestry. > Ian > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Williams > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:43 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > > Dear All, > > I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism > records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the > mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, > places, occupations etc). > > Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) > Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) > > Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER > Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, > England > > Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and > her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living > with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even > aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to > these baptism records cropped up. > > Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She > married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph > may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a > Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any > trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there > is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 > and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? > > Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any > UK look-ups that may be required. > > Best regards, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:56:03 +0100 > From: "Ian Thirlwell"<thirlwell.it@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism > Records > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<DEDC43F9CF1C4318ACC571A0F12488F1@IanThirlwellPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I should have mentioned this was on ancestry.co.uk& the marriage was in > London. > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Thirlwell > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:17 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > > I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage > for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North > Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register > entry is available on Ancestry. > Ian > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:24:19 -0400 > From: "Keith Meintjes"<umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To: "SA List"<SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<433PiwVXT7680S01.1316813059@web01.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is > given as "Balju". > > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:43:50 +0200 > From: "Johann H Claassen"<johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<005201cc7a39$e2e49ee0$a8addca0$@claassen@telkomsa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. > > > Beste wense > Johann > Paarl (gestig 1687) > > CLAASSEN(sedert 1720)/CRONJE/DYER/JAMES/POZYN/ROSE/VICTOR/WAGENAAR/WATERSON > > https://www.facebook.com/#!/johann.h.claassen > > We all grow up with the weight of history on us.? Our ancestors dwell in the > attics of our brains as they do in the spiraling chains of knowledge hidden > in every cell of our bodies.? ~ Shirley Abbott > > e-pos adres: johann.claassen@telkomsa.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes > Sent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM > To: SA List > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation > is > given as "Balju". > > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:07:39 -0400 > From: tombipeck@talktalk.net > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<8CE4854576358E9-8CC-19603@FRR3-L27.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > My 'Woordeboek' certainly didn't have that.....thank you very much. > Here in the U.K. it's a little more difficult to unravel Afrikaans expressions and words which do not appear in my woordeboek! > Best wishes, > Tombi > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johann H Claassen<johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:43 > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. > > este wense > ohann > aarl (gestig 1687) > CLAASSEN(sedert 1720)/CRONJE/DYER/JAMES/POZYN/ROSE/VICTOR/WAGENAAR/WATERSON > https://www.facebook.com/#!/johann.h.claassen > We all grow up with the weight of history on us. Our ancestors dwell in the > ttics of our brains as they do in the spiraling chains of knowledge hidden > n every cell of our bodies. ~ Shirley Abbott > e-pos adres: johann.claassen@telkomsa.net > > ----Original Message----- > rom: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes > ent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM > o: SA List > ubject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation > s > iven as "Balju". > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > fficial term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > Best wishes, > Keith > > > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:48:41 -0400 > From: "Keith Meintjes"<umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Peter Ross<peter@activpro.co.za>, Toni Haarburger > <toni@moresport.co.za> > Message-ID:<208PiwXvp0816S03.1316821721@web03.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Here is his gravestone. > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1463486&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > I had never heard the term "balju" before today. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:46:27 PM EDT > From: "Johann H Claassen"<johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. > > > Beste wense > Johann > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes > Sent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM > To: SA List > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation > is given as "Balju". > > Has anyone come across this as an official term in their research? What is > the origin of the word? > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:18:12 +0200 > From: "Steve Hayes"<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<4E7D4BF4.28600.54504A@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 23 Sep 2011 at 17:24, Keith Meintjes wrote: > >> My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is >> given as "Balju". >> >> (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an >> official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > I've come across it, though not in family history research. It's some kind of > court official, and I think the English equivalent is "bailiff". I think they > issue summonses and things like that. > >