Sometimes in this game you set out looking for one thing and find something else! I was looking for the baptisms of Frances Jane Clarissa FORD and James Samuel FORD (eventually found courtesy of SEAX in St.Mary Magdalene, East Ham), and in the process came across a burial record for another sister! New Gravel Pit Meeting House, Paradise Fields (RG4/4244 National Archives) Ellen Hester, daughter of James Edward and Frances FORD of Homerton buried 22 August 1818, aged 12 months Then, by a happy chance, I looked at the entries immediately before this entry and immediately after. Louise, daughter of Philip and Louise MARILLIER of Homerton buried 4 August 1818 aged 4 months (family grave) Louise, wife of Philip MARILLIER of Homerton buried 1 December 1818 aged 22 years So, having set out looking for Frances, I found her sister's burial and the burial of the first wife and child of the man she would later marry!! I have updated the extra information files on eggsa but currently only new files are showing under Recently Updated as I am doing some housekeeping and didn't want loads of older files showing up as Updated when I had just been fixing links and adding lines to older tables to make them more legible. The only new file I have added since the Settler Returns is one for Mary DIXON/BARNES/HARPER Off on holiday this weekend. Hope to get back to the Grahamstown Journal in April. Sue

My daughters both went, class of 2009 and the second changed to bergvliet high halfway through. Regards Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy O'Brien via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <lacey@yebo.co.za>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] school >A somewhat belated response, but I am Class of 1982 after attending both >the Wynberg Junior and High Schools. > Regards,Wendy > From: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: John Callanan <jjcallanan@telkomsa.net>; south-africa@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] school > > Hi there > I went to Wynberg Girls and we had our Class of '64 50th Reunion in > September. > It would be interesting to know who of the listers went to WGHS. > Cheers > Jenn > > Graham & Jennifer Lloyd > [Genealogical & Historical Research] > Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 > Mobile: 0824037343 > email: lacey@yebo.co.za > www.southafricanfamily.com > > I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Callanan via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:27 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] school > > >> Hi Carol >> >> My husband received an email you circulated on SA roots .com and I >> wondered if you matriculated from Wynberg Girls High School in 1968. Are >> you that Carol Beneke? >> >> Regards >> Marie (nee Phillips) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 18 Mar 2015 at 7:37, magda.begeman via wrote: > In the Dutch Reformed Church the bans were read for 3 weeks They were read in all churches where marriages took place before 1973. It was a legal requirement. In the case of civil marriages the banns were displayed on the noticeboard at the Magistrates' Court for 3 weeks beforehand. The requirement was abolished with the introduction of the new ID books, which contained marriage and divorce certificates and death records. Some churches, however, continued to read banns, but they were no longer a legal requirement. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

On 17 Mar 2015 at 18:22, Colin Pretorius wrote: > Arrisdrift is located some 35km upstream of the Orange River mouth > (Publication of the Sperrgebiet National Park) and is a world-renowned > paleontological site. Given the distance, it would place Arrisdrift just > off the loop that the Orange river makes For those interested the map (kindly sent to me by Johann Claassen) may be found here: http://tinyurl.com/nqdz6xw -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

In the Dutch Reformed Church the bans were read for 3 weeks Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Arlene via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 07:14:12 To: <shayes@dunelm.org.uk>; 'Steve Hayes'<hayesstw@telkomsa.net>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Arlene <arlene@012.net.il>, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records Yes, Banns was an announcement of intention to get married. The purpose was to give anyone who was opposed to the marriage an opportunity to do so, e. g. make an application to court to prevent the marriage (thus spoiling many a movie plot!). If I remember correctly, one had to go to the Magistrate's office to get the form and it had to be displayed for at least 3 weeks prior to the marriage. If it had not been done timeously, the parties had to approach the court for permission to marry. Louis Zetler -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 6:44 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records On 17 Mar 2015 at 23:04, Arlene via wrote: > The images online only commence in 1906. I'm not sure what the legal > requirements were at that time. I suspect that a law was passed that > only those marriages which were conducted in a Magistrate's Court > would be recognized from 1906. Obviously marriages were conducted by > religious ministers before 1906, but maybe they became too relax, e. > g. by allowing parties who were not officially divorced to remarry. I > remember that at some time a law was passed which gave religious > ministers the right to conduct marriages once they had been certified > to do so. The result of this was that there were some "putative" > marriages, i. e. marriages which were conducted by religious ministers > who had not been authorized to do so. If anyone who can fill me in with some of this legal history - I would really appreciate it. What I am looking for is announcement of the intention to marry, perhaps something like banns, in the period 1820-1850. I remember looking at them in the Cape Archives about 30-40 years ago, where they had them in a card index. It was in the old archives building, not the present one, I think in Queen Victoria Street, and I think the archival group was CO. The problem is that many of the old death notices do not give the name of the spouse, but only say whether the person was married or not, so I'm looking for the names of the spouses of a Thomas and William Morris, probably in the 1820s. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Banns was an announcement of intention to get married. The purpose was to give anyone who was opposed to the marriage an opportunity to do so, e. g. make an application to court to prevent the marriage (thus spoiling many a movie plot!). If I remember correctly, one had to go to the Magistrate's office to get the form and it had to be displayed for at least 3 weeks prior to the marriage. If it had not been done timeously, the parties had to approach the court for permission to marry. Louis Zetler -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 6:44 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records On 17 Mar 2015 at 23:04, Arlene via wrote: > The images online only commence in 1906. I'm not sure what the legal > requirements were at that time. I suspect that a law was passed that > only those marriages which were conducted in a Magistrate's Court > would be recognized from 1906. Obviously marriages were conducted by > religious ministers before 1906, but maybe they became too relax, e. > g. by allowing parties who were not officially divorced to remarry. I > remember that at some time a law was passed which gave religious > ministers the right to conduct marriages once they had been certified > to do so. The result of this was that there were some "putative" > marriages, i. e. marriages which were conducted by religious ministers > who had not been authorized to do so. If anyone who can fill me in with some of this legal history - I would really appreciate it. What I am looking for is announcement of the intention to marry, perhaps something like banns, in the period 1820-1850. I remember looking at them in the Cape Archives about 30-40 years ago, where they had them in a card index. It was in the old archives building, not the present one, I think in Queen Victoria Street, and I think the archival group was CO. The problem is that many of the old death notices do not give the name of the spouse, but only say whether the person was married or not, so I'm looking for the names of the spouses of a Thomas and William Morris, probably in the 1820s. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 17 Mar 2015 at 23:04, Arlene via wrote: > The images online only commence in 1906. I'm not sure what the legal > requirements were at that time. I suspect that a law was passed that only > those marriages which were conducted in a Magistrate's Court would be > recognized from 1906. Obviously marriages were conducted by religious > ministers before 1906, but maybe they became too relax, e. g. by allowing > parties who were not officially divorced to remarry. I remember that at some > time a law was passed which gave religious ministers the right to conduct > marriages once they had been certified to do so. The result of this was that > there were some "putative" marriages, i. e. marriages which were conducted by > religious ministers who had not been authorized to do so. If anyone who can > fill me in with some of this legal history - I would really appreciate it. What I am looking for is announcement of the intention to marry, perhaps something like banns, in the period 1820-1850. I remember looking at them in the Cape Archives about 30-40 years ago, where they had them in a card index. It was in the old archives building, not the present one, I think in Queen Victoria Street, and I think the archival group was CO. The problem is that many of the old death notices do not give the name of the spouse, but only say whether the person was married or not, so I'm looking for the names of the spouses of a Thomas and William Morris, probably in the 1820s. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

A somewhat belated response, but I am Class of 1982 after attending both the Wynberg Junior and High Schools. Regards,Wendy   From: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: John Callanan <jjcallanan@telkomsa.net>; south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] school Hi there I went to Wynberg Girls and we had our Class of '64 50th Reunion in September. It would be interesting to know who of the listers went to WGHS. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Callanan via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] school > Hi Carol > > My husband received an email you circulated on  SA roots .com  and I > wondered if you matriculated from Wynberg Girls High School in 1968. Are > you that Carol Beneke? > > Regards > Marie (nee Phillips) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Feb 28, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Bart Simon via wrote: > Hello: [I am also working on finding all my paternal grandmother EDWARDS's > siblings]: Which Edwards family are you looking for ?. Apologies for the delay. I had life get in the way of my hobby. My grandmother was Millicent Edith EDWARDS (16 Oct 1880-16 Jul 1961) and she was one of thirteen siblings. I am trying to find all the siblings. She was married to Walter Oliver HULBERT (5 Oct 1882-14 Aug 1935) Her parents were: William EDWARDS (19 Nov 1852 - 22 Dec 1919, son of Thomas EDWARDS and Mary-Ann KING) who married Fanny MUIR (24 Oct 1859 - 18 Nov 1926, daughter of Rachel KING and William James MUIR) on 15 Jan1880. I have towards the thirteen siblings from these parents (* for firmly known, mostly I knew them personally): * Hilda Effie EDWARDS (married MULLER) died 1958 (other dates anyone?) ??? Jesse Edwards.... tombstone found says 1977-1948, I do NOT know if she fits here * Millicent Edith Edwards (my grandmother, listed above) ??? Elizabeth Helena Edwards ...tombstone found says 1884-1956, I do not know if she fits here * Ethel Mary Ann Edwards (married SUMNER) 1894-1974 ??? Herbert Stanley Edwards b 1885....married Agnes and had son Herbert Stanley Maitland Edwards 14 Oct 1905 * Violet Beatrice Edwards (married John Winter MuUIR) 1887-1929... Confirmed by relatives, I did not meet her. * Hilton David Edwards (married Florence Alice PIPER) 1891-1978 * Ronald Herbert Edwards (married Blanche ELLEN) 1893-1945, I knew Blanche, not Ron. * Daisy Sarah Ann Edwards (married Alexander "Lex" KROPF) b1897..confirmed by relatives, I do not remember her * Cyrl "Boet" Henry Edwards (married Clarice Hazel HARPER) 1901-1963 * William Thomas Edwards (Snr) (married twice NEL/SWANEPOEL)...1906-1977,one of my morer recent finds. SO.... that is 9 confirmed siblings and three possibles towards the thirteen. If anyone can confirm or unconfirm any of the ??? ones or add any missing ones I would be most grateful. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Steve Hayes via wrote: >> I suspect that a law was passed that only >> those marriages which were conducted in a Magistrate's Court would be >> recognized from 1906. Obviously marriages were conducted by religious >> ministers before 1906, but maybe they became too relax, e. g. by allowing >> parties who were not officially divorced to remarry. I do not see that kind evidence in my own research. Marriage records in the 19th century were required to state whether the marriage was by license or banns, so one or other had to be arranged. I have a case in the King family where the man was having children with his future thord wife and also with h is current second wife. After the 2nd wife died, he tried to marry the mother of the children he had by the third woman, but did not actually do so, till ten years later. So there was indeed hankypanky but I find no actual marriages that are bigamous. The children became legitimate at age ten etc in the above case, when he finally did get married to the third woman he slept with. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Laquita, The images online only commence in 1906. I'm not sure what the legal requirements were at that time. I suspect that a law was passed that only those marriages which were conducted in a Magistrate's Court would be recognized from 1906. Obviously marriages were conducted by religious ministers before 1906, but maybe they became too relax, e. g. by allowing parties who were not officially divorced to remarry. I remember that at some time a law was passed which gave religious ministers the right to conduct marriages once they had been certified to do so. The result of this was that there were some "putative" marriages, i. e. marriages which were conducted by religious ministers who had not been authorized to do so. If anyone who can fill me in with some of this legal history - I would really appreciate it. Louis Zetler -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laquita Belinfante via Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:22 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records Louis While you were perusing Jewish names did you come across the name BELINFANTE, it is Sephardic, and I am looking for an Abraham Cohen BELINFANTE X Minnie Grossman circa 1904???? Lucky -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene via Sent: 17 March 2015 09:08 AM To: shayes@dunelm.org.uk; 'Steve Hayes'; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records There are images of the marriages conducted at the Cape Town Magistrate's Court since 1906 can be found at https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.o rg%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMX28-YPX%3A231795701%3Fcc%3D1935348 It starts with the estate files but near the end you will find all the marriage certificates. I have gone through the whole lot and extracted those of interest to me (the Jewish sounding ones). This is more than just marriage certificates. It is a real history lesson. It shows the development of Afrikaans and Apartheid - a Race column was added from 1 January 1910! Louis Zetler -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:53 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records Does anyone know the status of 19th century Cape Colony marriage records? I seem to recall that there were announcements of intention to marry in the Cape Archives, but these do not seem to be indexed on NAAIRS. There was, however, a card index to them in the archives, but that was several years ago. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Louis While you were perusing Jewish names did you come across the name BELINFANTE, it is Sephardic, and I am looking for an Abraham Cohen BELINFANTE X Minnie Grossman circa 1904???? Lucky -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene via Sent: 17 March 2015 09:08 AM To: shayes@dunelm.org.uk; 'Steve Hayes'; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records There are images of the marriages conducted at the Cape Town Magistrate's Court since 1906 can be found at https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.o rg%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMX28-YPX%3A231795701%3Fcc%3D1935348 It starts with the estate files but near the end you will find all the marriage certificates. I have gone through the whole lot and extracted those of interest to me (the Jewish sounding ones). This is more than just marriage certificates. It is a real history lesson. It shows the development of Afrikaans and Apartheid - a Race column was added from 1 January 1910! Louis Zetler -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:53 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records Does anyone know the status of 19th century Cape Colony marriage records? I seem to recall that there were announcements of intention to marry in the Cape Archives, but these do not seem to be indexed on NAAIRS. There was, however, a card index to them in the archives, but that was several years ago. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Steve, Arrisdrift is located some 35km upstream of the Orange River mouth (Publication of the Sperrgebiet National Park) and is a world-renowned paleontological site. Given the distance, it would place Arrisdrift just off the loop that the Orange river makes - the url towards the end of the email *should* take you there. One site at Arrisdrift was excavated in the mid 1970s by Corvinus and since 1993 by the Namibia Palaeontology Expedition. The latter was done at the invitation of NAMDEB (previously, CDM), have led to the recovery of several new specimens including adult hind-limb elements of springhares (Palaeont. Afr. 1997(34), 101-109). Some of the fossils discovered in the 1970's include a smaller type of elephant, rhino and a large type of ostrich. Many of these fossils and other excavated material can be seen in the Oranjemund museum or at the Geological research centre in Windhoek >From a geological setting, the site of Arrisdrift is located in the lower part of the Orange River in a fossil loop of the river which cut into Proterozoic rocks of the Gariep Group. In the article "A new species of Prohyrax.... from the middle Miocene of Arrisdrift, Namibia", MHF Pickford, of the Geological Survey of Namibia, states the following: "... Arrisdrift, a location close to the Orange River in the southern part of Namibia" and then goes on to say ".... Arrisdrift, ... east of Oranjemund, Namibia". A publication on the Sperrgebiet indicates that in 1886 Franz Adolf Eduard Luderitz outfitted an expedition to explore the Orange River area. He travelled overland from Angra Pequena (today's Luderitz) to the Orange River, and then travelled on the river in a collapsible canvas boat as far as Arrisdrift. https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.4773804,16.6874236,3797m/data=!3m1!1e3 Hope this is of some help Blessings Colin > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via > Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 4:28 AM > To: afgen@yahoogroups.com; south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Arries or Arris Drift > > Does anyone know where I can find Arries or Arris Drift across the Orange > River between South Africa and Namibia? > > Google maps shows me Yale University or somewhere in Wales, so that's no > good. > > An ancestor crossed it in July 1862 taking cattle from Damaraland to sell in > the Cape, and I'm trying to see the route they took. > > > -- > Keep well, > Steve Hayes > Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

On 17 Mar 2015 at 18:22, Colin Pretorius wrote: > Arrisdrift is located some 35km upstream of the Orange River mouth > (Publication of the Sperrgebiet National Park) and is a world-renowned > paleontological site. Given the distance, it would place Arrisdrift just off > the loop that the Orange river makes - the url towards the end of the email > *should* take you there. Thanks Colin, and to all others who replied. Someone very lindly located a military map dated 1907, which showed the drift and wagon routes, with notes on whether they were stony or sandy. I was quite surprised, as the ord they took was quite far west of where I thought they had travelled, but it makes sense. In those days Namibia (1862) was divided into numerous statelets (which were sometimes at war with each other), and there had been lung sickness about, and several of the rulers forbade the passage of infected cattle through their territory. This westerly route would avoid trouble on that score, in case any of the cattle were to become infected en route. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

There are images of the marriages conducted at the Cape Town Magistrate's Court since 1906 can be found at https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.o rg%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMX28-YPX%3A231795701%3Fcc%3D1935348 It starts with the estate files but near the end you will find all the marriage certificates. I have gone through the whole lot and extracted those of interest to me (the Jewish sounding ones). This is more than just marriage certificates. It is a real history lesson. It shows the development of Afrikaans and Apartheid - a Race column was added from 1 January 1910! Louis Zetler -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:53 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records Does anyone know the status of 19th century Cape Colony marriage records? I seem to recall that there were announcements of intention to marry in the Cape Archives, but these do not seem to be indexed on NAAIRS. There was, however, a card index to them in the archives, but that was several years ago. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know the status of 19th century Cape Colony marriage records? I seem to recall that there were announcements of intention to marry in the Cape Archives, but these do not seem to be indexed on NAAIRS. There was, however, a card index to them in the archives, but that was several years ago. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

I have now finished all the Settler Returns in CO48/47 at Kew, except for WILLSON's Party, which I hope to do today. I had a few problems doing TURVEY's returns, which were a bit of a mess with frequent scorings out and changes, and it didn't help that the final return was the only photograph I took at Kew that was so out of focus as to be almost illegible. However, the writing in the earlier return is clear and it seems that the "servant" travelling with Peter Clarke DANIEL was Ann JONES rather than Ann MITCHLEY, whose name is not mentioned. I had been given to understand that Ann MITCHLEY was the mother of several of the children travelling with Peter DANIEL. I have now found a triple baptism on 5 January 1816 in St.Giles in the Fields, London for three children baptised Thomas, Sampson and Elizabeth JONES, living at 9 Little St.Andrews Street, where the parents are listed as Peter and Ann. Food for thought? Sue

Hi Lynn, I believe that the Presbyterian records are at Wits University. About 5 years ago I dealt with a lady called Carol Archibald and she was extremely helpful. Hope this will help. Best wishes, Rose On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Lynn Couperthwaite via < south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a Presbyterian marriage which according to their Death > Notices took place in Cape Town > I'd think it would've been before 1916 > Thomas ARNOTT and Maggie Brown ANDREW both from Scotland > I have written to the Presbyterian church Cape Town but received no answer. > > Any and all help will be much appreciated. > > Help Please! > > Thank you > Regards > Lynn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Steve, If you go to the old LDS library catalog and look under Cape Town - civil registrations you will find a film that is the magistrates' record of marriage licenses. I looked at it for years around 1830. I do not believe there is an index for the individual entries. It is interesting because it contains letters from parents giving permission for their minor children to marry. Also, permissions for people to marry without banns. Many licenses were issued on a Saturday, then the couple shows up in a church register as being married the next day, a Sunday. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 02:51 AM EDT, 03/17/2015 From: Steve Hayes via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cape Colony Marriage Records Does anyone know the status of 19th century Cape Colony marriage records? I seem to recall that there were announcements of intention to marry in the Cape Archives, but these do not seem to be indexed on NAAIRS. There was, however, a card index to them in the archives, but that was several years ago. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 16 Mar 2015 at 15:01, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Peter Raper, New Dictionary of South African Place Names: > > ARRIESDRIF: Ford in the Orange River some 30 km ENE of its mouth, at 28 30 S, > 16 43 E. > > Then, there is a bunch of stuff about where the name comes from. > > According to my maps, there is not a road crossing there today. Thanks Keith Looking at a map, that seems a strange way to drive a large herd of cattle, as it seems pretty mountainous on both sides of the river. I'd have expected them to cross further upstream. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525