Eldest son of deceased was present at death. Mother is disabled and unable- incapable to handle business Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Heather MacAlister via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 14:31:02 To: Keith Meintjes<umfundi@usa.net>; south-africa@rootsweb.com<south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Heather MacAlister <heather@ancestors.co.za>, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Translation: Afrikaans to English Google translate is shocking .... Especially from English to Afrikaans - I get complete garbage - Heather MacAlister > On 08 Jun 2015, at 9:30 AM, Keith Meintjes via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Google Translate works very well. Try Dutch as well as Afrikaans. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 02:39 AM EDT, 06/08/2015 > From: andrea franks via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: "SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com" <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Translation: Afrikaans to English > > Dear All, > > Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was aanwesig by > dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. > Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his mother > was a PHILLIPSON > > > Regards > Andrea Franks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, to all who have translated for me On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Kingston Patrick Shannon Cuthbert via < south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Eldest son of deceased - was present at death - Mother is an invalid - > unfit > to manage situation/s > > Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert (Maj) Dip Pharm Hon Jnr G Std Br > 4 Stockenstrom Street, George 6529 > Box 2005, George 6530 > Mobile: 0827239608 > Lline: 0448743655 > Fax: 0865144306 > Email: shoes@telkomsa.net > Alt email: kingstonpsc@gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via > Sent: 08 June 2015 09:14 > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Translation: Afrikaans to English > > On 8 Jun 2015 at 8:37, andrea franks via wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was > > aanwesig by dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. > > Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his > > mother was a PHILLIPSON > > Eldest son of deceased - was present at death -- Mother invalid -- > incapable of handling affairs. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > Andrea Franks > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eldest son of deceased - was present at death - Mother is an invalid - unfit to manage situation/s Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert (Maj) Dip Pharm Hon Jnr G Std Br 4 Stockenstrom Street, George 6529 Box 2005, George 6530 Mobile: 0827239608 Lline: 0448743655 Fax: 0865144306 Email: shoes@telkomsa.net Alt email: kingstonpsc@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes via Sent: 08 June 2015 09:14 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Translation: Afrikaans to English On 8 Jun 2015 at 8:37, andrea franks via wrote: > Dear All, > > Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was > aanwesig by dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. > Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his > mother was a PHILLIPSON Eldest son of deceased - was present at death -- Mother invalid -- incapable of handling affairs. > > > Regards > Andrea Franks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I'm trying to find Information on the Death of John William Brooks, born 1875 "MARYLEBONE, MIDDLESEX, ENGLAND." To William and Mary Jane BROOKS. John William BROOKS, married Blanche Elizabeth KEMM, 15 Feb 1898 in Claremont, Cape Town. They had 3 daughters, Elizabeth Mary, 12 Aug 1899, Laura Agnes, 21 May 1901 and Ethel Mary 22 Apr 1903. I have found someone's research, who says he died in 1937, however, John William below, was born about 1851 and married to a Elizabeth Jacoba DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/4921 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 54840 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BROOKS, JOHN WILLIAM. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19370000 ENDING 19370000 And DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/5078 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 59125 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BROOKS, JOHN WILLIAM. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19380000 ENDING 19380000 was born about 1845 and was married to Elizabeth Ann. John William Russel BROOKS was their son. Does anyone know anything about this John William BROOKS, his wife or daughters? John had 2 brothers, Frederik Samuel Bickerton and George William Bickerton BROOKS and 1 Sister, Eliza Mary Jane Bickerton BROOKS. He also had a Half Brother, Walter Edward KEMM, born in Cape Town, 15 August 1894, son of William Robert Kemm and Mary Jane. I have DN's for F.S.B BROOKS and G.W.B. BROOKS. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanking you Barbara

On 8 Jun 2015 at 8:37, andrea franks via wrote: > Dear All, > > Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was aanwesig by > dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. Off a Death > Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his mother was a > PHILLIPSON Eldest son of deceased - was present at death -- Mother invalid -- incapable of handling affairs. > > > Regards > Andrea Franks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Eldest son of deceased - was present at death - mother invalide - not competent to handle affairs On 8 June 2015 at 08:37, andrea franks via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was aanwesig by > dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. > Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his mother > was a PHILLIPSON > > > Regards > Andrea Franks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear All, Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was aanwesig by dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his mother was a PHILLIPSON Regards Andrea Franks

Hi Bart, Thanks for the link - it must refer to the snippet below, which someone found whilst looking through a Law Book - it looks like her request for a divorce was maybe not granted. Subject: Re: [SO "In re Gibson (1912) 33 Natal Law Reports 204: At common law a sentence of imprisonment other than a life sentence is not a ground of divorce, What I Can't understand, is the date of marriage given by her in her request for a divorce. 9 Oct 1901. I also wonder if they were still both in prison at that time. Natal Civil Marriages -LDS Aletta Sophia VAN DER SCHYFF x Babanango 01.11.1906 Aubrey Wynne GIBSON 22yrs (*1884) Aletta 15 yrs at time of marriage. Permission, parents Thanks again, Dorothy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:37 PM, andrea franks via wrote: > Dear All, > > Can someone please translate:- > Oudste seun van oorledende - Oldest son of deceased > was aanwesig by dood was present at the death > - Moeder invaliede - Mother is an invalid > onbevoegd om sake te behartig. Incapable of handling matters. > Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his mother > was a PHILLIPSON > > > Regards > Andrea Franks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Google Translate works very well. Try Dutch as well as Afrikaans. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 02:39 AM EDT, 06/08/2015 From: andrea franks via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: "SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com" <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Translation: Afrikaans to English Dear All, Can someone please translate:-Oudste seun van oorledende - was aanwesig by dood - Moeder invaliede - onbevoegd om sake te behartig. Off a Death Information certificate, for Tancred Raphael MELIS, his mother was a PHILLIPSON Regards Andrea Franks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: If this is the same person you are looking for (?), then sorry for the bad news!. Go to the Facebook page below: https://www.facebook.com/search/str/Eduard+Reynhardt/keywords_top [Kayang Gagiano, Tjoeks Reynhardt, Tascha Tersia Gagiano]: Individual contacts on FB. -----Original Message-----

https://books.google.co.za/books?ei=CLhxVZHjF7GP7Ab_s4HYAw&id=QY8tAQAAMAAJ&dq=Aletta+Sophia+Gibson&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=sophia Hello: [Aubrey Wingate Gibson]: Seems to be him ?. Bart.... -----Original Message----- Does any Gibson researcher have any information on Aubrey Wynne GIBSON: Aletta Sophia VDS * 12.08.1891 ~ Vryheid 14.02.1892 + 13.09.1919 x Babanango 01.11.1906 Aubrey Wynne GIBSON * 1884 I believe he and Aletta married while awaiting trial. Dorothy. -----Original Message-----

Hello: [Eduard Reynhardt of Great Brak River]: He was alive 2010, maybe a member on this group ?. I would suggest contacting the list owner for below site and see if they have further contact details ?. http://www.helensburgh-heritage.co.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=204&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=2 http://www.helensburgh-heritage.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=730:deborah-kerr-and-helensburgh&catid=81:the-arts&Itemid=458 Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- Gertruida Gagiano Eduard Reinhardt. Veronica van Zyl. Canada. -------------------------------

Jessie KERR married Charles BLUMERS 29 July 1878 (St Cyprian, Kimberley) On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Keith Meintjes via < south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > There is a person of that name on the faculty of McMaster University in > Canada. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 11:43 AM EDT, 06/06/2015 > From: verian111 via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: Albie <albie@astonbay.co.za>,"south-africa@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Eduard Reinhardt & Tomasina Kerr/Gagiano > > Can anyone put me in touch with Eduard Reinhardt, please? > > > I would like to contact him about his late mother-in-law Tomasina (Ina) > Kerr > who married Johannes Gagiano and lived in Hopetown, Cape, South Africa. > They > had a daughter named Gertruida Gagiano, wife of Eduard Reinhardt. > > Thanks to anyone who can help me make this contact. > > Veronica van Zyl > > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Bart I already contacted them and they kindly shared Eduard's 2009 address but the email I wrote bounced back. Then I sent out my plea to you all via Rootsweb when I could not find a phone listing for him in Groot Brak River. Veronica Sent from my iPad > On Jun 7, 2015, at 16:06, Bart Simon via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello: [Eduard Reynhardt of Great Brak River]: He was alive 2010, maybe a > member on this group ?. I would suggest contacting the list owner for below > site and see if they have further contact details ?. > > http://www.helensburgh-heritage.co.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=204&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=2 > > http://www.helensburgh-heritage.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=730:deborah-kerr-and-helensburgh&catid=81:the-arts&Itemid=458 > > Bart [!!!] .... > -----Original Message----- > Gertruida Gagiano Eduard Reinhardt. > Veronica van Zyl. Canada. > ------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi guys, Can you provide more info on the KERR family as I am very interested in that family line Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: verian111 via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 15:27:27 To: Albie<albie@astonbay.co.za>; south-africa@rootsweb.com<south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: verian111 <verian111@verian.ca>, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Eduard Reinhardt & Tomasina Kerr/Gagiano Can anyone put me in touch with Eduard Reinhardt, please? I would like to contact him about his late mother-in-law Tomasina (Ina) Kerr who married Johannes Gagiano and lived in Hopetown, Cape, South Africa. They had a daughter named Gertruida Gagiano, wife of Eduard Reinhardt. Thanks to anyone who can help me make this contact. Veronica van Zyl Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone put me in touch with Eduard Reinhardt, please? I would like to contact him about his late mother-in-law Tomasina (Ina) Kerr who married Johannes Gagiano and lived in Hopetown, Cape, South Africa. They had a daughter named Gertruida Gagiano, wife of Eduard Reinhardt. Thanks to anyone who can help me make this contact. Veronica van Zyl Canada

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There is a person of that name on the faculty of McMaster University in Canada. Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 11:43 AM EDT, 06/06/2015 From: verian111 via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: Albie <albie@astonbay.co.za>,"south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Eduard Reinhardt & Tomasina Kerr/Gagiano Can anyone put me in touch with Eduard Reinhardt, please? I would like to contact him about his late mother-in-law Tomasina (Ina) Kerr who married Johannes Gagiano and lived in Hopetown, Cape, South Africa. They had a daughter named Gertruida Gagiano, wife of Eduard Reinhardt. Thanks to anyone who can help me make this contact. Veronica van Zyl Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Irene, thank you very much for your input-it is very enlightening and answers quite a few questions! Regards, Albie -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers via Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 2:01 PM To: Andrew Rodger; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Marriages [!!!] On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Andrew Rodger via wrote: > > On 04/06/2015, at 5:23 AM, Bart Simon via wrote: > >> >> Hello: Just wondering: A father [AF] has a son [AS]. The father [AF] marries the dg [BD1] of Mr. [BF] in 1900. The son [AS] then marries the other dg of Mr. [BF] being [BD2] in 1901. Or simply, a father and son marry two daughters who have the same father. No law is broken there is it ?. Bart [!!!] .... I can not seem to keep up with the befuddled-thinking kinds of laws over the generations. Since neither of these couples is related by blood - genetically - only by marriage - there should be no restriction. But the laws are not always logical:-) In any case, inbreeding has to do with the number of homozygous genes and not the closeness of blood relatives, if you are looking for healthy pairs (in any species). You can breed two sibling cats together who TOGETHER can produce high heterozygocity, and the offspring will not be inbred, even if the parents are inbred. And you can find two identical looking but unrelated cats and breed them together and get all inbred kittens. This is where "looks count". Each kitten/child gets one gene of each pair from each parent. (It used to be thought the gene from each parent was a random chance for each but it is not.) The gene pair so formed in the kitten/child either has two genes the SAME or two DIFFERNT genes. Looking at the entire individual's set of gene pairs, the one with the most DIFFERENT pairs (heterozygous gene pairs) is the LEAST inbred, and the one with the most SAME pairs (homozygous gene pairs) regardless whether the two were related or not, is inbred. Heterozygocity causes strength of individual and of immune system, robustness of health, and overall disease resistance. Homozygocity causes ill health, weakness, lack of robustness, smaller size, and poor immmune system. A smart breeder will look for as many DIFFERENT features as possible between whatever anials they wish to breed.' For example, wide ribcage and deep ribcage, not two the same. Long torso and shorter one, broad hips and narrow ones, heavy boning and lighter boning etc...looking for DIFFERENCES all within the breed standard...but with maximum variations. The resultant animals will be stronger, bigger, healthier, emotionally stabe etc, and will look good at shows as a result. Opposites attract, is a good rule here:-) It is the same in humans. I have visited some little towns where people supposedly unrelated marry, but the whole area is so full of the same genes that heterozygocity is impossible to attain, and there is high homozycocity in the entire population. The cheetah popupation is that way. There are so few different genes available to make heterozygous pairs that cheetahs are inbred no matter whether they are related or not. I recently worked with a conservation center where 3 of 8 cheetahs had died before I was contacted to figure it out. (The vet misdiagnosed a feline illness); They actually died of copper deficiency. Only one other animal of another species died, (an Africa lynx- caracul) but 3 out of 8 cheetahs died. More than 36% deaths in one incident is a lot for such an endangered species. Yet ALL animals (and humans) were copper deficient. Turns out the desert soil where the center was located, (in UAE) was almost devoid of copper and thus the animals used for food for the wildlife center, were short of copper, and there was essentially none in the diet. The two tigers who gave birth had no milk (it needs copper), but none died. A young lion got ill but survived. Only low heterozygocity cheetahs actually died before the problem was understood...they are like the "genetic canaries in the mine", the first to show ill effects from ANY health issue. Ill health of offspring is thus due to homogygous gene pairs NOT due to relatedness. In general if unrelated folk marry they should be mainly heterozygous, but if they live in a small population (as in a small area of a new country) or in a small population that is stable with little migration, it does not necessarily follow. But we know this now - nobody knew it a couple centuries ago. And laws do not necessarily keep up. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message