Morning, I need to find out about births in Natal around 1850 to 1870, where do I start? I am looking for the births of children for George KING and Elizabeth Anne RUSSELL. One child was born in 1855, Frank and one in 1865, Alexander. Any ideas? Thanks Moyra Joyce Bedford

Russell Jean is correct in that Victoria is Fort Victoria for these purposes. I had a look at a few of the death notices there and the area is correct as Fort Victoria cheers Pete On 5 April 2011 05:51, Russell <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> wrote: > Dear Jean > > Thank for the reply. Here's the problem, though: there's no choice for > either Masvingo or Fort Victoria. Here is the list of districts. It may be > that they didn't film the Notices in question. > > Regards > > Russell > > >

Hi Russell it appears that Jean, Lynn and Andrew have answered your queries while I was examining the back of my eyelids for the last few hours. Thank you to them. It's just so sad that the West has let Mugabe and his vermin get away with mass murder and crimes against humanity for so long but yet jump immediately into trouble spots like Libya purely because they have no oil. I believe it has more to do with a guilty conscience about those years of slavery. cheers Pete On 5 April 2011 01:57, Russell <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> wrote: > Dear Pete > > Is Zvishanvane a part of Bulawayo? > > Also, what district in the Zimbabwean Death Notice section would correspond > to Masvingo? > > Thanks > > Russell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Whitfield" <pelejab@gmail.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe DN > > > > Russell, > > > > just for interest and as a test, I looked at one of the early records in > > the > > "Umtali" series of a Joan Harris and made a note of her date of death and > > also saw that the cause was "died in a vehicle accident on the Inyanga > > road". It was written up by hand. > > I then looked under the overall volumes organized by alphabetical order > > and > > did a search for Joan Harris. A similar record stating the same date of > > death and by car accident on the Inyanga road was recorded on a > > differently > > numbered death notice but in this case it was a type-written report. I > > have > > not checked for any others. > > By the way I am from Umtali (Mutare) originally and left there in 1998 > and > > now living inGaborone, Botswana > > > > cheers > > > > Pete Whitfield > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also found that on google. I have been incontact with Sandringham and they have referred me to the royal archuves. They have respondednthat it may take a couple of weeks. I will keep you posted. kind regards, Karel Marais Sent from my Nokia, they are typing mistakes! -----Original Message----- From: Peter John Jones Sent: 04/04/2011 16:21:42 Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards Hetta, That is it I'm afraid. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hetta Scholtz" <hettascholtz@lantic.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > and please keep us posted on any info please. This is very interesting. > Hetta Scholtz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter John Jones > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:07 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > > I googled Sandringham House-Achmet and turned up the following on > Alexandra's trip to Egypt: > > "Alix brought back two live trophies. One was Ali Achmet, a Nubian orphan > boy, who attached himself to the expedition and became a kind of mascot. > He > was installed at Sandringham and baptised with Nertie and Alix as > godparents. He could, however, not be disuaded from stealing things. The > other was a black ram who she rescued from the butcher and also installed > at > her menagerie at Sandringham. Finally they visited Alix's brother King > George in Greece. [Battiscombe, pp. 104-105.]". > > He may have been renamed with Christian names at baptism. . I can find > nothing on the 1871, 1881 or 1891 Censuses for Sandringham. > > It may be worth going to the Sandringham Estate website and emailing them > to > see if they can help. > > Pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Marais" <turando101@yahoo.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:26 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > > >> >> Hi, >> If somebody has access to UK Census records is it possible to find >> records >> = >> for one 'Ali Achmet'. He was 10 yo in 1869 and most likely at >> Sandringham, >> = >> I would like to trace his movements, if possible, from 1869 through his >> cen= >> sus records. >> Thanks, >> Karel Marais >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3548 - Release Date: 04/03/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jenn et al Here is the tutorial on searching for the Rhodesian Death Register references and then finding the actual document(s). Please note that what the website refers to as Death Registers are actually Death Notices, in most cases nearly identical to our South African DN's. To illustrate we'll search for LLOYD references. Step 1: Open the FamilySearch website https://www.familysearch.org/ Step 2: Ignore the Search function (these records are not indexed yet). Select "Africa" Step 3: On this page select "Zimbabwe, Death Registers, 1890-1977; Index to Death Register, 1892-1977" Step 4: On this page select "Browse through 74,045 images" Step 5: This next page contains all the Index books. Ignore "Death indexes Open Files" and "Death Indexes Surnames A-Z" for now. All the remaining indexes are logically set out in alphabetic order. In your case you want to search LLOYD, so select "Death indexes Surnames KE-L" Step 6: Click on "1892-1976" Step 7: You'll now see the cover of the index book. You can adjust the size and position of the image by using the controls in the bottom left corner. Either in the top left or right corner you will see a line saying "Image 1 of 48", with the 1 being inside a small box. By changing this number you can select which page of the 48 to go to. You do not know which page LLOYD is on, so you have to estimate. You can go back and forth one page at a time by using the arrow controls in the top right-hand corner. Step 8: By trial and error you have found that the LLOYD references are on pages 39 and 40. With pleasure you spot an entry for Clarence Arthur LLOYD. You know that he has a wife named Laura about whom you have scant details, so you are pleased to find an entry for Laura LLOYD, who may be his wife. You write down the references, which are 55/139 and 69/131. You also jot down a reference to John Edward LLOYD, as he is a also likely in your family tree (795/62). Step 9: When you have all the references, click on "Zimbabwe, Death Registers, 1890-1977; Index to Death Register, 1892-1977" at the top of the page. This will take you back to to the webpage containg all the Index books. Step 10: The last entry of the second column is "Death registers"; click on this. Step 11: The index entry for Clarence Arthur LLOYD 55/139 will take you to Vol. 55. Click on Vol. 55. Step 12: This webpage shows Image 1 of 283. Again, by trial and error you get to the correct DN No. 139. They are all labelled in the top right corner. In this case it is image 169. You can save this image to your hard drive. Step 13: Similarly, you find the DN for Laura (69/131) by clicking on "Death registers" at the top of the page and browsing through Vol 69. You are thrilled to find a previously unknown child. Step 14: To find the entry for John Edward LLOYD 795/62, you again click on "Death registers" at the top of the page.From 1953 on, the registers are arranged by individual year. Step 15: Click on " 1962, #551-1145". Step 16: You find the DN as image 258 which unfortunately is not the correct John Edward LLOYD. Step 17: Click on "Zimbabwe, Death Registers, 1890-1977; Index to Death Register, 1892-1977". This takes you back to all the indexes. Step 18: Click on "Death Indexes Surnames A-Z" This folder contains a separate index of DN's all labelled with the prefix B. Any index reference number found here has to be browsed for in the releavant year's "B" section. These are to be found from 1959 onwards. This website is a treasure trove to anyone doing South African research. Regards Russell

Many thanks Russell, but I think I do need the tutorial. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] 2 Constantia Court River's End Road Plumstead 7800 Cape Town South Africa Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to dance in the rain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell" <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe DN > Dear Jenn > > If you click on the shortcut in the e-mail, nothing much will happen. You > have to right click the shortcut and select "Copy Shortcut" and the paste > that into the address bar. That will take you to the relevant document or > page. > > Do you know how to find the references and then the actual DN in general? > If > not, let me know and I'll post a tutorial for all. I've been fielding a > lot > of queries regarding this. It is very confusing initially, but then > becomes > very obvious. > > These DNs are a goldmine of information. > > Regards > > Russell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <lacey@yebo.co.za> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe > > >>I cannot access the documents. I just get a black part with a window that >> says loading image - and nothing happens. Where is the word Register! >> please help >> cheers >> Jenn >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Russell, I was wondering the same thing. Pete On 4 April 2011 21:03, Russell <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> wrote: > Dear Ludwig > > Despite some familiarity with the system I can't work out where you found > these references. Could you give us the names? > > Regards > > Russell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doehne" <doehne@global.co.za> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices > > > > Hi Russel > > > > I have found some Booysen in the registers but having a problem to find > to > > DN's > > > > Where do I look for > > LW 2050 > > LW 4333 > > LW 4334 > > > > MISC 146/76 > > MISC 223/76 > > MISC 500/76 > > > > Thanks > > > > Ludwig > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Russell > > Sent: 04 April 2011 07:29 AM > > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices > > > > Dear Jean > > > > Go to this page: > > > > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc > > h.org/records/collection/1837900/waypoints > > > > Once there, click on "Death registers". > > > > The registers are arranged in volumes 1 to 88, and the by year from 1953 > > onwards. Reference 168/74 would be found in the appropriate 1974 section, > > while 38/125 would be found in Volume 38. Certain references can be > > confusing. For example 70/74 can be in either the year 1974 or in Volume > > 70. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Russell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jean Tuckey" <ronjeantuc@clear.net.nz> > > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > > > > > >> Dear Russell or any other genealogical "nut" > >> > >> I used your fantastic information Russell and gained access to the Death > >> Register to find the MacLeans I am looking for, now have DR references > >> and > >> havent a clue what to do next, please point me in the right > >> direction...does > >> one write somewhere or what ? I have to find them before I can go > >> further > >> back so its important to know who they are. > >> > >> I shall be most grateful for any help > >> > >> Best wishes > >> Jean in Auckland > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Russell" <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> > >> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:05 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > >> > >> > >>> Dear Lynn > >>> > >>> The "Misc" files are indexed in the "A-Z" file found here: > >>> > >>> > > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc > > h.org/records/waypoint/7118285 > >>> > >>> These DN's all have a "B" prefix. Once you have the reference you have > >>> to > >>> look in the "B" sections of the year indicated. > >>> > >>> > >>> Here is your DN: > >>> > >>> > > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc > > h.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638745.004638745_00327 > >>> > >>> There is also a DN for his wife: DRB 636/73 > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Russell > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Lynn Couperthwaite" <pcoups@hotmail.com> > >>> To: "South Africa" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 3:44 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> I have been studying all the old mailing list e-mails again to make > >>>> sure > >>>> I > >>>> wasn't missing a direction. Antonio da Camara asked a question about > >>>> how > >>>> to go about finding a file with a registration number like one that I > >>>> too > >>>> was having hassles with. I don't find an answer.... From all the > >>>> e-mails > >>>> and replies I'd hoped to find a lead but no. So HELP! Please! > >>>> > >>>> I'm looking for Sydney Hurbert EMPTAGE - File .......... Misc 1967. > >>>> I presume that Misc stands for miscellaneous and the year obviously is > >>>> 1967 but after that I'm lost. > >>>> Some time ago some-one who went to the archives did look for the file > >>>> for > >>>> me. The folder was unfortunately empty. I was hoping that as the file > >>>> was > >>>> listed in the LDS index some-one may well have found the lost > >>>> 'contents' > >>>> and refiled them. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks a million > >>>> Lynn > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>>> the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1500/3544 - Release Date: 04/01/11 > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Russell, just for interest and as a test, I looked at one of the early records in the "Umtali" series of a Joan Harris and made a note of her date of death and also saw that the cause was "died in a vehicle accident on the Inyanga road". It was written up by hand. I then looked under the overall volumes organized by alphabetical order and did a search for Joan Harris. A similar record stating the same date of death and by car accident on the Inyanga road was recorded on a differently numbered death notice but in this case it was a type-written report. I have not checked for any others. By the way I am from Umtali (Mutare) originally and left there in 1998 and now living inGaborone, Botswana cheers Pete Whitfield

Dear Jean Thank for the reply. Here's the problem, though: there's no choice for either Masvingo or Fort Victoria. Here is the list of districts. It may be that they didn't film the Notices in question. Regards Russell Beitbridge Belingwe Bikita Bindura Binga Bubi Buhera Bulalima Mangwe Bulawayo Centenary Charter Chibi Chilimanzi Chipinga Chipingu Chiredzi Chirozi Chwedgi Cmanzi Darwin Filabusi Gatooma Gmonzi Gokwe Goromonzi Gutu Gwanda Gwelo Hartley Insiza Inyanga Kariba Lomagundi Lupane Makoni Marandellas Market Square at Salisbury Matobo Mazoe Melsetter Mrewa Mtoko Mudzi Mutasa Ndanga (Zaka) Nkai Nuanetsi Nyamandhlovu Nyo Que Que Rushinga Salisbury Selukwe Shabani Shamva Sharani Sipolilo Umtali Umvuma Umzingwane Urungwe Victoria Wankie Wedza ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Tuckey" <ronjeantuc@clear.net.nz> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe DN > Dear Russell > > I am sure you will be bombarded but I lived there for 40 years and > Zvishavane was SHABANI and Masvingo was FORT VICTORIA - hope that helps > > Cheers > Jean antique geneaholic New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell" <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe DN > > >> Dear Pete >> >> Is Zvishanvane a part of Bulawayo? >> >> Also, what district in the Zimbabwean Death Notice section would >> correspond >> to Masvingo? >> >> Thanks >> >> Russell

Jenn, at the top it will read something like [1] of 156. Just estimate how far into that particular file you want to go from the lettering and type in a number like 80 to take you approx half way. When it loads use the Zoom + and - down at bottom right of the page to zoom in and out and also drag the picture around by holding down on your right mouse button. Hope this helps cheers Pete On 4 April 2011 18:27, Graham and Jennifer Lloyd <lacey@yebo.co.za> wrote: > I cannot access the documents. I just get a black part with a window that > says loading image - and nothing happens. Where is the word Register! > please help > cheers > Jenn > > Graham & Jennifer Lloyd > [Genealogical & Historical Research] > 2 Constantia Court > River's End Road > Plumstead 7800 > Cape Town > South Africa > Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 > Mobile: 0824037343 > email: lacey@yebo.co.za > www.southafricanfamily.com > > I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged > > Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass > It's about learning to dance in the rain > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Whitfield" <pelejab@gmail.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe > > > > Hi Barbara, > > > > I had a look under the alphabetical listing and he is not mentioned. It > > jumps from Rochester to Rock. You can view the page here > > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638709.004638709_00133 > > > > < > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638709.004638709_00133 > > > > cheers > > > > Pete Whitfield > > > > On 4 April 2011 16:01, Barbara Rochoy <blrochoy@tiscali.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> On Zimbabwe, does anyone have any ideas on how to find out a date of > >> death > >> in 1962. > >> > >> My husbands grandfather was Eugene Robert Rochoy, a retired signalman > of > >> the South Africa Railways, according to my husband and his aunt, while > >> on > >> holiday in " Umtali, Rhodesia" (Mutare, Zimbabwe) in 1962 he died of a > >> heart attack, He would have been 62 years old. We do not know if he > >> was > >> buried or cremated there. His ' wife' Josephine Rochoy, although > >> divorced, > >> was on holiday with him, at the time. Their religion was Catholic. > >> > >> There is no Death Notice for him here in South Africa, and I have not > >> been > >> able to find a Death Notice registered in Zimbabwe. > >> > >> I would like to find out the exact date of his death, and or any copies > >> of > >> documents that relate to his death. If anyone is able to help it would > be > >> much appreciated. > >> > >> Thanking you > >> Barbara > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ludwig If you are referring to BOOYSEN's in the Zimbabwe death notices there are the following listed: Anna Jesina - dr 47/202 Barend Matthys - dr 5/257 Daniel Johannes - d/r 76/60/26 David Hercules - d/r 508/53 Dirk Johannes - d/r 15/59 Francois Cornelius - Misc 1969 Dirk Johannes - d/r 82/174 Gehardus Wilhelmus N. - d/r 38/59 H.A. - d/r 85/20/2 ?? Leonard Francis - d/r 549/58 listed here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638708.004638708_00182 <https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638708.004638708_00182> cheers Pete Whitfield On 4 April 2011 17:22, doehne <doehne@global.co.za> wrote: > Hi Russel > > I have found some Booysen in the registers but having a problem to find to > DN's > > Where do I look for > LW 2050 > LW 4333 > LW 4334 > > MISC 146/76 > MISC 223/76 > MISC 500/76 > > Thanks > > Ludwig > >

I cannot access the documents. I just get a black part with a window that says loading image - and nothing happens. Where is the word Register! please help cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] 2 Constantia Court River's End Road Plumstead 7800 Cape Town South Africa Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to dance in the rain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Whitfield" <pelejab@gmail.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe > Hi Barbara, > > I had a look under the alphabetical listing and he is not mentioned. It > jumps from Rochester to Rock. You can view the page here > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638709.004638709_00133 > > <https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638709.004638709_00133> > cheers > > Pete Whitfield > > On 4 April 2011 16:01, Barbara Rochoy <blrochoy@tiscali.co.za> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On Zimbabwe, does anyone have any ideas on how to find out a date of >> death >> in 1962. >> >> My husbands grandfather was Eugene Robert Rochoy, a retired signalman of >> the South Africa Railways, according to my husband and his aunt, while >> on >> holiday in " Umtali, Rhodesia" (Mutare, Zimbabwe) in 1962 he died of a >> heart attack, He would have been 62 years old. We do not know if he >> was >> buried or cremated there. His ' wife' Josephine Rochoy, although >> divorced, >> was on holiday with him, at the time. Their religion was Catholic. >> >> There is no Death Notice for him here in South Africa, and I have not >> been >> able to find a Death Notice registered in Zimbabwe. >> >> I would like to find out the exact date of his death, and or any copies >> of >> documents that relate to his death. If anyone is able to help it would be >> much appreciated. >> >> Thanking you >> Barbara >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Russel I have found some Booysen in the registers but having a problem to find to DN's Where do I look for LW 2050 LW 4333 LW 4334 MISC 146/76 MISC 223/76 MISC 500/76 Thanks Ludwig -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Russell Sent: 04 April 2011 07:29 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices Dear Jean Go to this page: https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc h.org/records/collection/1837900/waypoints Once there, click on "Death registers". The registers are arranged in volumes 1 to 88, and the by year from 1953 onwards. Reference 168/74 would be found in the appropriate 1974 section, while 38/125 would be found in Volume 38. Certain references can be confusing. For example 70/74 can be in either the year 1974 or in Volume 70. Good luck. Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Tuckey" <ronjeantuc@clear.net.nz> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > Dear Russell or any other genealogical "nut" > > I used your fantastic information Russell and gained access to the Death > Register to find the MacLeans I am looking for, now have DR references and > havent a clue what to do next, please point me in the right > direction...does > one write somewhere or what ? I have to find them before I can go further > back so its important to know who they are. > > I shall be most grateful for any help > > Best wishes > Jean in Auckland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell" <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > > >> Dear Lynn >> >> The "Misc" files are indexed in the "A-Z" file found here: >> >> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc h.org/records/waypoint/7118285 >> >> These DN's all have a "B" prefix. Once you have the reference you have to >> look in the "B" sections of the year indicated. >> >> >> Here is your DN: >> >> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc h.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638745.004638745_00327 >> >> There is also a DN for his wife: DRB 636/73 >> >> Regards >> >> Russell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lynn Couperthwaite" <pcoups@hotmail.com> >> To: "South Africa" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have been studying all the old mailing list e-mails again to make sure >>> I >>> wasn't missing a direction. Antonio da Camara asked a question about how >>> to go about finding a file with a registration number like one that I >>> too >>> was having hassles with. I don't find an answer.... From all the e-mails >>> and replies I'd hoped to find a lead but no. So HELP! Please! >>> >>> I'm looking for Sydney Hurbert EMPTAGE - File .......... Misc 1967. >>> I presume that Misc stands for miscellaneous and the year obviously is >>> 1967 but after that I'm lost. >>> Some time ago some-one who went to the archives did look for the file >>> for >>> me. The folder was unfortunately empty. I was hoping that as the file >>> was >>> listed in the LDS index some-one may well have found the lost 'contents' >>> and refiled them. >>> >>> Thanks a million >>> Lynn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1500/3544 - Release Date: 04/01/11 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is believed to be clean.

Dear Pete Is Zvishanvane a part of Bulawayo? Also, what district in the Zimbabwean Death Notice section would correspond to Masvingo? Thanks Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Whitfield" <pelejab@gmail.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe DN > Russell, > > just for interest and as a test, I looked at one of the early records in > the > "Umtali" series of a Joan Harris and made a note of her date of death and > also saw that the cause was "died in a vehicle accident on the Inyanga > road". It was written up by hand. > I then looked under the overall volumes organized by alphabetical order > and > did a search for Joan Harris. A similar record stating the same date of > death and by car accident on the Inyanga road was recorded on a > differently > numbered death notice but in this case it was a type-written report. I > have > not checked for any others. > By the way I am from Umtali (Mutare) originally and left there in 1998 and > now living inGaborone, Botswana > > cheers > > Pete Whitfield > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, I had a look under the alphabetical listing and he is not mentioned. It jumps from Rochester to Rock. You can view the page here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638709.004638709_00133 <https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638709.004638709_00133> cheers Pete Whitfield On 4 April 2011 16:01, Barbara Rochoy <blrochoy@tiscali.co.za> wrote: > Hi > > On Zimbabwe, does anyone have any ideas on how to find out a date of death > in 1962. > > My husbands grandfather was Eugene Robert Rochoy, a retired signalman of > the South Africa Railways, according to my husband and his aunt, while on > holiday in " Umtali, Rhodesia" (Mutare, Zimbabwe) in 1962 he died of a > heart attack, He would have been 62 years old. We do not know if he was > buried or cremated there. His ' wife' Josephine Rochoy, although divorced, > was on holiday with him, at the time. Their religion was Catholic. > > There is no Death Notice for him here in South Africa, and I have not been > able to find a Death Notice registered in Zimbabwe. > > I would like to find out the exact date of his death, and or any copies of > documents that relate to his death. If anyone is able to help it would be > much appreciated. > > Thanking you > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hetta, That is it I'm afraid. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hetta Scholtz" <hettascholtz@lantic.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > and please keep us posted on any info please. This is very interesting. > Hetta Scholtz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter John Jones > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:07 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > > I googled Sandringham House-Achmet and turned up the following on > Alexandra's trip to Egypt: > > "Alix brought back two live trophies. One was Ali Achmet, a Nubian orphan > boy, who attached himself to the expedition and became a kind of mascot. > He > was installed at Sandringham and baptised with Nertie and Alix as > godparents. He could, however, not be disuaded from stealing things. The > other was a black ram who she rescued from the butcher and also installed > at > her menagerie at Sandringham. Finally they visited Alix's brother King > George in Greece. [Battiscombe, pp. 104-105.]". > > He may have been renamed with Christian names at baptism. . I can find > nothing on the 1871, 1881 or 1891 Censuses for Sandringham. > > It may be worth going to the Sandringham Estate website and emailing them > to > see if they can help. > > Pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Marais" <turando101@yahoo.com> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:26 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > > >> >> Hi, >> If somebody has access to UK Census records is it possible to find >> records >> = >> for one 'Ali Achmet'. He was 10 yo in 1869 and most likely at >> Sandringham, >> = >> I would like to trace his movements, if possible, from 1869 through his >> cen= >> sus records. >> Thanks, >> Karel Marais >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3548 - Release Date: 04/03/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi On Zimbabwe, does anyone have any ideas on how to find out a date of death in 1962. My husbands grandfather was Eugene Robert Rochoy, a retired signalman of the South Africa Railways, according to my husband and his aunt, while on holiday in " Umtali, Rhodesia" (Mutare, Zimbabwe) in 1962 he died of a heart attack, He would have been 62 years old. We do not know if he was buried or cremated there. His ' wife' Josephine Rochoy, although divorced, was on holiday with him, at the time. Their religion was Catholic. There is no Death Notice for him here in South Africa, and I have not been able to find a Death Notice registered in Zimbabwe. I would like to find out the exact date of his death, and or any copies of documents that relate to his death. If anyone is able to help it would be much appreciated. Thanking you Barbara

Dear Russell or any other genealogical "nut" I used your fantastic information Russell and gained access to the Death Register to find the MacLeans I am looking for, now have DR references and havent a clue what to do next, please point me in the right direction...does one write somewhere or what ? I have to find them before I can go further back so its important to know who they are. I shall be most grateful for any help Best wishes Jean in Auckland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell" <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > Dear Lynn > > The "Misc" files are indexed in the "A-Z" file found here: > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/waypoint/7118285 > > These DN's all have a "B" prefix. Once you have the reference you have to > look in the "B" sections of the year indicated. > > > Here is your DN: > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004638745.004638745_00327 > > There is also a DN for his wife: DRB 636/73 > > Regards > > Russell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Couperthwaite" <pcoups@hotmail.com> > To: "South Africa" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Zimbabwe death notices - EMPTAGE > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have been studying all the old mailing list e-mails again to make sure >> I >> wasn't missing a direction. Antonio da Camara asked a question about how >> to go about finding a file with a registration number like one that I too >> was having hassles with. I don't find an answer.... From all the e-mails >> and replies I'd hoped to find a lead but no. So HELP! Please! >> >> I'm looking for Sydney Hurbert EMPTAGE - File .......... Misc 1967. >> I presume that Misc stands for miscellaneous and the year obviously is >> 1967 but after that I'm lost. >> Some time ago some-one who went to the archives did look for the file for >> me. The folder was unfortunately empty. I was hoping that as the file was >> listed in the LDS index some-one may well have found the lost 'contents' >> and refiled them. >> >> Thanks a million >> Lynn >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

and please keep us posted on any info please. This is very interesting. Hetta Scholtz -----Original Message----- From: Peter John Jones Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:07 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards I googled Sandringham House-Achmet and turned up the following on Alexandra's trip to Egypt: "Alix brought back two live trophies. One was Ali Achmet, a Nubian orphan boy, who attached himself to the expedition and became a kind of mascot. He was installed at Sandringham and baptised with Nertie and Alix as godparents. He could, however, not be disuaded from stealing things. The other was a black ram who she rescued from the butcher and also installed at her menagerie at Sandringham. Finally they visited Alix's brother King George in Greece. [Battiscombe, pp. 104-105.]". He may have been renamed with Christian names at baptism. . I can find nothing on the 1871, 1881 or 1891 Censuses for Sandringham. It may be worth going to the Sandringham Estate website and emailing them to see if they can help. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Marais" <turando101@yahoo.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > > Hi, > If somebody has access to UK Census records is it possible to find records > = > for one 'Ali Achmet'. He was 10 yo in 1869 and most likely at Sandringham, > = > I would like to trace his movements, if possible, from 1869 through his > cen= > sus records. > Thanks, > Karel Marais > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3548 - Release Date: 04/03/11

I googled Sandringham House-Achmet and turned up the following on Alexandra's trip to Egypt: "Alix brought back two live trophies. One was Ali Achmet, a Nubian orphan boy, who attached himself to the expedition and became a kind of mascot. He was installed at Sandringham and baptised with Nertie and Alix as godparents. He could, however, not be disuaded from stealing things. The other was a black ram who she rescued from the butcher and also installed at her menagerie at Sandringham. Finally they visited Alix's brother King George in Greece. [Battiscombe, pp. 104-105.]". He may have been renamed with Christian names at baptism. . I can find nothing on the 1871, 1881 or 1891 Censuses for Sandringham. It may be worth going to the Sandringham Estate website and emailing them to see if they can help. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Marais" <turando101@yahoo.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look up please UK Census records 1869 onwards > > Hi, > If somebody has access to UK Census records is it possible to find records > = > for one 'Ali Achmet'. He was 10 yo in 1869 and most likely at Sandringham, > = > I would like to trace his movements, if possible, from 1869 through his > cen= > sus records. > Thanks, > Karel Marais > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message