Further information from Dee The birth & baptism I posted are confirmed as the correct ones -------Original Message------- 1901 census He was listed as Fred J May with parents and 4 brothers and 1 sister, living at 77 Wakeman Street, Kensal Green, Willesden . The family was still at the same address for the 1911 census. his parents were Simon May and Rosetta Maria Jones. He married Elsie Sturdy in South Africa in 1915 . She left England in 1913 on board Gloucester Castle. In 1916 Elsie(his wife) 2mnth old son Phillip(my father) and Frederick returned to England as he had TB, he died 1917 Rochford, Essex Elsie & Philip May and Catherine Thompson Sturdy(Elsie's mother) travelled back to SA on the "Ballarat" , leaving London 5th June 1922. They had all been living at 38 Charlton Lane, Charlton, SE7 Thank you for your response Dee

Hi Dee A little more information please as you don't give birthplace, parents etc Is this his birth Name: Frederick James May Year of Registration: 1887 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Chelsea (1841-1981) County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 378 And baptism Name: Frederick James May Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887 Baptism Date: 25 May 1887 Father's name: Simon May Mother's name: Rosetta Maria May Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green St Jude Borough: Westminster If not can you let us know the correct ones Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello friends > > Can someone a lot more savvy than me help with finding when my > grandfather Frederick James May(1887-1917) arrived in South Africa > from England. > > I can't find him in the 1901 UK census when he would have been 14. > He was married to Elsie Sturdy in 1915 in Johannesburg. > I have searched ancestry UK and find my past shipping lists. > > Grateful thanks > > Dee Whitehead

(this message sent on behalf of Denise Whitehead <dlwhitehead@xtra.co.nz> who is having trouble getting messages through) Hello friends Can someone a lot more savvy than me help with finding when my grandfather Frederick James May(1887-1917) arrived in South Africa from England. I can't find him in the 1901 UK census when he would have been 14. He was married to Elsie Sturdy in 1915 in Johannesburg. I have searched ancestry UK and find my past shipping lists. Grateful thanks Dee Whitehead Denise Whitehead <dlwhitehead@xtra.co.nz>

For the story of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings, see: http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account Personally, I wish someone (in South Africa) would write a book like Edward Ball's "Slaves in the Family": http://www.amazon.com/Slaves-Family-Edward-Ball/dp/0345431057 You can find much more on either of these topics by searching at Google. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Mon, 09 May 2011 08:17:55 PM EDT From: Andrew Rodger <rodgera@audioio.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Diana vd Kaap, mother of Susanna Biebow (Bibault) = 1687 Wow! On 9 May 2011, at 12:22 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Richard, > > I cannot answer your question of Delia. > > However, "Bibault" is given as an alternate spelling in SA > Genealogies. I > suppose it is a plausible French spelling. I did search NAAIRS on > all the > variations of the name I could think of, and did not find much of > anything. > > That form of the surname is used in the Huisgenoot article of 1928, > which > contributes to the Afrikaner mythology (where Detleef's son, Hendrik, > proclaims himself an Afrikaner). > > So, we have all the elements: An illegitimate child by a slave. > Marriage to > a weesmeisie (orphan girl) from the Berg China. A son who is the > first person > to proclaim himself an Afrikaner. A man who later becomes a > surgeon, and > purchases the slave mother of his illegitimate child, while still > fathering > children by his wife. > > Someone should write a novel. > > Keith Fascinating parallels with the story of Thomas Jefferson's family, which I first became aware of during a visit to Monticello, his home (depicted on the US 5c coin), near Charlottesville, VA, and explored further in a volume of his papers and Conor Cruise O'Brien's "The Long Affair", Sinclair-Stevenson, London 1996, ISBN 1 85619 637 2 (hardback) or 1 85619 628 3 (paperback). As I recall it, though, Jefferson at least waited until his wife was dead before taking up with her personal slave-lady's maid; but that slave was actually his wife's half-sister, fathered on one of his slaves by Jefferson's father-in-law. Their descendants separated into two camps, primarily on the basis of their skin colour: those who looked whiter married white and their families became "white", while those who were darker married black and their descendants identified as "black". This, too, could make quite a novel -- perhaps on similar lines to Dan Sleigh's "Islands"; but I reckon Bibault's story in the right hands could be better than either! Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Hetta for the link to the above, It made very interesting reading. Although the author states that she thinks that no photos of Isabelle LIPP survive, the lady in question does in fact appear in Women of South Africa. Thos. Lewis 1913. A head and shoulders photo accompanies a short bio which reads as follows. " Lipp (Mrs) Isabelle Eliza. Wife of Charles Lipp, Esq., General Manager of the African Banking Corporation, Ltd. Born at Fauresmith, O.F.S. Daughter of Richard John Harvey Esq., of Commissie Drift, O.F.S., and great-grandaughter of Richard Harvey Esq., a Devonshire Farmer, who threw in his lot with the British Settler party which arrived at Algoa Bay in 1820. Her grand-father on the maternal side was George Chambers Reed, a descendant of the Reeds of Troughend, Northumberland, a very ancient Border family. Is also a descendant of Nicholas Saunderson, the blind Mathematician of Oxford. Educ. St. Michael's Home, Bloemfontein, O.F.S. 2 sons - Nevil Stuart: George Allan Stuart; 1 Daughter - Carol. Res. Greenfield House, Claremont, Cape Pen. I can take a photo of the photo if anyone would care to have a copy. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.900 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3625 - Release Date: 05/08/11 20:34:00

Richard, I cannot answer your question of Delia. However, "Bibault" is given as an alternate spelling in SA Genealogies. I suppose it is a plausible French spelling. I did search NAAIRS on all the variations of the name I could think of, and did not find much of anything. That form of the surname is used in the Huisgenoot article of 1928, which contributes to the Afrikaner mythology (where Detleef's son, Hendrik, proclaims himself an Afrikaner). So, we have all the elements: An illegitimate child by a slave. Marriage to a weesmeisie (orphan girl) from the Berg China. A son who is the first person to proclaim himself an Afrikaner. A man who later becomes a surgeon, and purchases the slave mother of his illegitimate child, while still fathering children by his wife. Someone should write a novel. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 08 May 2011 10:49:59 AM EDT From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> To: DRobertson <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Diana vd Kaap, mother of Susanna Biebow (Bibault) = 1687 Hello Delia, As a matter of interest, I have found the following: http://vocopvarenden.nationaalarchief.nl/detail.aspx?ID=1627486 DetailgegevensGegevens van Ditlof Bibot uit Gres Datum indiensttreding: 19-12-1683 Datum uit dienst: 06-03-1687 Functie bij indiensttreding: Lanspassaat Reden uit dienst: Vrijburger Uitgevaren met het schip: Juffrouw Anna Waar uit dienst: Kaap de Goede Hoop Maandbrief: Nee Schuldbrief: Ja Gegevens van de vaart Schip: Juffrouw Anna Vertrek: 19-12-1683 Kamer: Amsterdam Kaap: 04-04-1684 24-04-1684 Inventarisnummer: 5316 Folio: 70 Aankomst: 21-06-1684 Batavia DAS- en reisnr.: 1466.1 ------ I see you list his surname as BIBAULT - what is your source for that spelling as opposed to some form of BIBOU which seems to what is recorded in all the records? Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://scholar.sun.ac.za/bitstream/handle/10019.1/2635/Ross%2c%20H%20M.pdf?sequence=1 A woman's world at a time of war : an analysis of selected women's diaries during the Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902 Author: Ross, Helen M Nonnie de la Rey Isabella Lipp Hetta Scholtz, Rooihuiskraal

Much of it was in the basement when we had to go and search material for Prof Nienaber at Wits back in 1946. And it was chilly there and the old newspapers were in huge books!!! Patricia Frykberg -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Deare" <dearej@mweb.co.za> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:44 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Research in the old Transvaal > 50 something years ago when I went to school in Johannesburg there was an > Afrikaaner section on the top floor of the library in the City Centre. I > wonder if it is still there. > > John > > > > _____ > > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty > Russell > Sent: 07 May 2011 03:21 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Research in the old Transvaal > > > > Is there a Transvaal equivalent of the Africana Library, Kimberley or the > Killie Campbell Library, Durban? I'd like to find out more about someone > who was involved in gold and diamond mining/dealing in the 1880s to > late1890s. > > I have checked NAAIRS, but feel there must still be a lot more info > available, if only I knew where to ask! > > Thanks > Eileen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3623 - Release Date: 05/07/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3623 - Release Date: 05/07/11 >

Hi Nicola, I may or may not have added my grandparents to your list of names. Please let me know, they are COCK and RODDA which I have - so please let me know. Can you send me the link so that I can see what your list all entails? Thanks Glynis -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nicola Jenkin Sent: 08 May 2011 06:27 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cornish Pioneers in South Africa - an updated list of names Hi, For those who are new to this list, I'm slowly compiling a list of names cited in Richard Dawe's 'Cornish Pioneers in South Africa'. Should you be interested in receiving a copy of the most up to date list, or wish to be added to my mailing list to receive future updates, please let me know. Kind regards, Nicola -- *Nicola Jenkin* npjenkin@gmail.com Oxfordshire, UK Families researching: Jenkin, Strong, Alkin, Carnell, Pavey, Haddigan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, For those who are new to this list, I'm slowly compiling a list of names cited in Richard Dawe's 'Cornish Pioneers in South Africa'. Should you be interested in receiving a copy of the most up to date list, or wish to be added to my mailing list to receive future updates, please let me know. Kind regards, Nicola -- *Nicola Jenkin* npjenkin@gmail.com Oxfordshire, UK Families researching: Jenkin, Strong, Alkin, Carnell, Pavey, Haddigan

Hello Delia, As a matter of interest, I have found the following: http://vocopvarenden.nationaalarchief.nl/detail.aspx?ID=1627486 DetailgegevensGegevens van Ditlof Bibot uit Gres Datum indiensttreding: 19-12-1683 Datum uit dienst: 06-03-1687 Functie bij indiensttreding: Lanspassaat Reden uit dienst: Vrijburger Uitgevaren met het schip: Juffrouw Anna Waar uit dienst: Kaap de Goede Hoop Maandbrief: Nee Schuldbrief: Ja Gegevens van de vaart Schip: Juffrouw Anna Vertrek: 19-12-1683 Kamer: Amsterdam Kaap: 04-04-1684 24-04-1684 Inventarisnummer: 5316 Folio: 70 Aankomst: 21-06-1684 Batavia DAS- en reisnr.: 1466.1 ------ I see you list his surname as BIBAULT - what is your source for that spelling as opposed to some form of BIBOU which seems to what is recorded in all the records? Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Hello Delia, You wrote: D> No, it is informed speculation. Which is why Diana van Madagascar is D> presented as a candidate for the mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the D> biological mother. I am sorry - now that I look at the page again I see she is given the role: Mother-Can* - I was not aware that this meant a candidate for mother. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

On 2011/05/08 02:55 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Delia wrote: > >> Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the >> mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. > In: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5140.htm > > we find: > > "Lovers In 1686 Diana van Madagascar and Detlef Bibault were lovers at de Caep > de Goede Hoop.4,5" > Hardly sounds like "a candidate" to me. Also, "lovers" is a very curious way > to describe such a relationship with a female slave. Whatever Keith, to me she is a very good candidate to be Susanna's mother. The next release will say, "may have been lovers" ... because if Diana v. Madagascar was Susanna's mother and then she is then purchased by Bibault a few years later, that indicates to me to me there was a relationship of some kind. In fact there were many relationships between free men and slave women that could be described that way, in the sense that they continued over a period of time, and they appeared to be somewhat more than master and slave. This continued up to the nineteenth century. Apart from the fact that some of these couples married after a time, the record is littered with mentions and bequests to slave women. Delia

Richard, On 2011/05/08 12:27 PM, Richard Ball wrote: > I have always found it very difficult to follow the various write-ups > that derive slave ancestry and relate one slave transaction to another > and to baptism register and slave lodge records. > > snip > > Unless someone has more evidence available than the above I do not see > how Susanna Bibouw's mother can be given with any assurance as other > than 'Diana, slave of Cornelius Linnes'. > > I may well be missing something here, and certainly I have no > experience of Slave research, but anything else seems to me to be pure > speculation? No, it is informed speculation. Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. Importantly, beyond informed speculation, it also entails a process of elimination - in this case including the number of slave women at the Cape in 1686 of child-bearing age (some were too young), the number named Diana (less than 5), and the number known to have had some connection with Bibault, and the relationship or connection between Bibault and Linnes. No other slave woman named Diana has thus far presented in the records as a candidate. Delia

Hello Keiith and Delia, Keith wrote: >> I notice that I have another slave ancestor, Diana vd Kaap. >> >> Susanna Biebow is the daughter of Detlef Biebow v. Mecklenburg. de >> Villiers / Pama (p. 660, Odendaal) does not name her mother. In SA >> Genealogies 1 p. 275, her mother is given as Diana vdK. >> >> I would appreciate any references to information about Diana. Delia wrote: D> The mother of Susanna Bibault has never been positively identified. D> There is circumstantial evidence she was Diana van Madagascar, see: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5134.htm D> and http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5140.htm D> There will be a small change to Diana van Madagascar's page in the D> next update of the project. I have always found it very difficult to follow the various write-ups that derive slave ancestry and relate one slave transaction to another and to baptism register and slave lodge records. The baptism entry for Susanna Biebouw is, however, very unusual among the entries in the Cape Town NGK church records of the 17th and early eighteenth century in naming the father of a slave born child: 1687 den 23 dito (Febr.) Susanna Diedelof Biebou en Diana, slavin van Cornelis Linnes Diedelof Biebou and Diana are definitely in the column headed 'ouders(parents)' - there are no witnesses listed for this baptism. The web pages indicated by Delia provide various references which, apparently, try to identify the Diana in question. The most interesting comes from Slaves and Freeblacks at the Cape (A.J.Boeseken, Tafelberg, 1977) and Robert Shell's Cape Slave Transactions. Transcripts can be found here: http://www.stamouers.com/Boeseken.PDF http://www.stamouers.com/Shell.PDF The name Diana appears a good number of times, with varying places of birth as identity labels and various sellers and buyers - also a good number of transactions where no name is given for the slave. There are 3 of interest, quoted on Delia's page: 1686.05.05 Diana from Madagascar aged 20/21 from Will Deeron, Captain of the ship the John and Mary, to Jan Vlock, 48 Rds. (Boeseken page 145) (he was presumably a slave dealer, selling a great number of slaves, all from Madagascar, through April and May 1686). 1691.05.02 Diana from Madagacar aged 25/26 sold by Joris van Stralen to Christiaan Freser for 65 Rds. (Boeseken page 158) 1693.12.__ Diana from Madagascar (24/25), sold by Christiaan Freser to Didlof Bidouw for 90 Rds. (Boeseken page 164) In the third transaction Shell changes the age to 28, presumably to relate it better to the earlier transaction. These transactions could well all relate to the same slave but there is an obvious gap in the chain of evidence - no mention of a slave named Diana being bought or sold by Cornelius Linnes (see the baptism entry above for Susanna) although he certainly bought a good number of slaves. There are other records in the Cape Archives which detail slave transactions, notably the series: Obligatien - Transporten van Slaven en Schultbrieven - (CJ 3023-3072 Gemengde Notariele Stukke. 1686-1793, CJ 3074-3127 Gemengde Notariele Stukke. 1715-1792 ) as listed in the article by De Wet: http://www.eggsa.org/familia/08_01_1971_16_20.htm Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity of examining any of these records. It would be interesting to know if these have been extracted and tabulated. ------------- Unless someone has more evidence available than the above I do not see how Susanna Bibouw's mother can be given with any assurance as other than 'Diana, slave of Cornelius Linnes'. I may well be missing something here, and certainly I have no experience of Slave research, but anything else seems to me to be pure speculation? Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Delia, I think it will be better to say that Detlef Biebow and Diana, slave of Cornelius Linnes, are the parents of Susanna Biebow. Eight years later, Biebow bought a slave, Diana of Madagascar, for whom there is no previous trace to Biebow or to Linnes. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 08 May 2011 09:13:49 AM EDT From: DRobertson <delia.robertson@gmail.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Diana vd Kaap, mother of Susanna Biebow (Bibault) = 1687 On 2011/05/08 02:55 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Delia wrote: > >> Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the >> mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. > In: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5140.htm > > we find: > > "Lovers In 1686 Diana van Madagascar and Detlef Bibault were lovers at de Caep > de Goede Hoop.4,5" > Hardly sounds like "a candidate" to me. Also, "lovers" is a very curious way > to describe such a relationship with a female slave. Whatever Keith, to me she is a very good candidate to be Susanna's mother. The next release will say, "may have been lovers" ... because if Diana v. Madagascar was Susanna's mother and then she is then purchased by Bibault a few years later, that indicates to me to me there was a relationship of some kind. In fact there were many relationships between free men and slave women that could be described that way, in the sense that they continued over a period of time, and they appeared to be somewhat more than master and slave. This continued up to the nineteenth century. Apart from the fact that some of these couples married after a time, the record is littered with mentions and bequests to slave women. Delia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Delia wrote: > Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the > mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. In: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5140.htm we find: "Lovers In 1686 Diana van Madagascar and Detlef Bibault were lovers at de Caep de Goede Hoop.4,5" Hardly sounds like "a candidate" to me. Also, "lovers" is a very curious way to describe such a relationship with a female slave. It seems the only information we have about Susanna's mother is in the baptism record for Susanna, although I believe there may be another document where Biebow acknowledges his paternity. I assume that where SA Genealogies 1 p. 275 says (BIEBOW): b1 Susanna = 23.2.1687 (moeder Diana v.d.K.) x 13.9.1711 Willem ODENDAAL that "v.d.K" is an encoding of "slavin" in the baptism entry, and it is not based on any evidence of Diana's actual birthplace. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 08 May 2011 07:27:29 AM EDT From: DRobertson <delia.robertson@gmail.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Diana vd Kaap, mother of Susanna Biebow (Bibault) = 1687 Richard, On 2011/05/08 12:27 PM, Richard Ball wrote: > I have always found it very difficult to follow the various write-ups > that derive slave ancestry and relate one slave transaction to another > and to baptism register and slave lodge records. > > snip > > Unless someone has more evidence available than the above I do not see > how Susanna Bibouw's mother can be given with any assurance as other > than 'Diana, slave of Cornelius Linnes'. > > I may well be missing something here, and certainly I have no > experience of Slave research, but anything else seems to me to be pure > speculation? No, it is informed speculation. Which is why Diana van Madagascar is presented as a candidate for the mother of Susanna Bibault, *not* as the biological mother. Importantly, beyond informed speculation, it also entails a process of elimination - in this case including the number of slave women at the Cape in 1686 of child-bearing age (some were too young), the number named Diana (less than 5), and the number known to have had some connection with Bibault, and the relationship or connection between Bibault and Linnes. No other slave woman named Diana has thus far presented in the records as a candidate. Delia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eileen, On 2011/05/07 03:21 PM, Eileen & Marty Russell wrote: > Is there a Transvaal equivalent of the Africana Library, Kimberley or the Killie Campbell Library, Durban? Yes, at the Johannesburg library. They have quite a lot on gold mining. There is also the Chamber of Mines library. Delia

Keith, On 2011/05/07 06:51 PM, you wrote: > I notice that I have another slave ancestor, Diana vd Kaap. > > Susanna Biebow is the daughter of Detlef Biebow v. Mecklenburg. de Villiers / > Pama (p. 660, Odendaal) does not name her mother. In SA Genealogies 1 p. 275, > her mother is given as Diana vdK. > > I would appreciate any references to information about Diana. The mother of Susanna Bibault has never been positively identified. There is circumstantial evidence she was Diana van Madagascar, see: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5134.htm and http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/p5140.htm There will be a small change to Diana van Madagascar's page in the next update of the project. Delia

50 something years ago when I went to school in Johannesburg there was an Afrikaaner section on the top floor of the library in the City Centre. I wonder if it is still there. John _____ From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty Russell Sent: 07 May 2011 03:21 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Research in the old Transvaal Is there a Transvaal equivalent of the Africana Library, Kimberley or the Killie Campbell Library, Durban? I'd like to find out more about someone who was involved in gold and diamond mining/dealing in the 1880s to late1890s. I have checked NAAIRS, but feel there must still be a lot more info available, if only I knew where to ask! Thanks Eileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3623 - Release Date: 05/07/11