Afternoon all I am looking for someone who has access to the following two books: Stamvader Ignatius Ferreira en sy naverwante Onder-Kouga: bakermat van Gerbers en Ferreira If you can assist, please email me off-list at the above address Regards Colin

A long shot, but you may like to try a search like this one at the Old Bailey http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search.jsp?foo=bar&form=searchHomePage&count=0&_divs_fulltext=south+africa&kwparse=phrase&start=0 Anton

Welcome tp the forum I have only been a member for about 6 months but the folks on here are really helpful Warmest regards Iain On 27 May 2011 01:28, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: > On 26 May 2011 at 13:06, Hendrik Mc Carthy wrote: > > > Hendrik Mc Carthy posted in South African Genealogy > > > > Thanks for adding me.interestedTo comment on this post, reply to this > email or > > visit: > > I'm interested in seeing whether the "reply to this e-mail" thing works. > > It has never done so before. > > I'm copying this to the SA Genealogy list on Rootsweb > > south-africa-l@rootsweb.com > > which seems to me a much more convenient was of discussing genealogy. > > > > > > > -- > Keep well, > Steve Hayes > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com > http://hayesfam.posterous.com/ > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Iain

On 26 May 2011 at 13:06, Hendrik Mc Carthy wrote: > Hendrik Mc Carthy posted in South African Genealogy > > Thanks for adding me.interestedTo comment on this post, reply to this email or > visit: I'm interested in seeing whether the "reply to this e-mail" thing works. It has never done so before. I'm copying this to the SA Genealogy list on Rootsweb south-africa-l@rootsweb.com which seems to me a much more convenient was of discussing genealogy. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com http://hayesfam.posterous.com/ E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hi I think that Bapsie Ferreira of Hartebeesfontein in South Africa can help you. I will find out and let you know! Regards, Andre   ________________________________ From: Colin Pretorius <lists@fmxau.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:27 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 2 books wanted Afternoon all I am looking for someone who has access to the following two books: Stamvader Ignatius Ferreira en sy naverwante Onder-Kouga: bakermat van Gerbers en Ferreira If you can assist, please email me off-list at the above address Regards Colin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave,   I see that you're researching the name HUNTER in SA, presumably from Scottish roots...   I have  a Scottish/South African ancestor called SARAH ELIZABETH JAMIESON HUNTER, & would be very interested to hear from you (or anyone else) if these names sound familiar.   Many thanks,   Heather.   From: Dave Long <dave.long@telkomsa.net> To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2011, 18:53 Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Scottish Place Names in the Free State Many Scots helped build the Main Rail Line from Port Natal to the Reef in the late 1800's. The Natal Govt Railways, for whom most of them worked, also built a branch line from Ladysmith into the Free State. This may explain why there are some farms or places with distinctly Scottish names in that province. Two farms that are of interest to me are Stratherrick and Glen Urquhart. I have exhausted the Internet and am now hoping that someone who has one of those old SA Place Name books could please do a look up to see if there is any mention. Alternatively, someone may just know who gave these two farms their names and if there is any history available? I realise that a trace of the property transfers records at the Deeds Office is also a solution. However, I am not based in the province (and it is usually a very time consuming process).  Regards Dave Long, Cape Town Researching: LONG, MURPHY, GRANT, BRAITHWAITE, HUNTER ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave I have just recently read an email on the SAR Mailing list from the now retired historian who handed a perfectly good and well referenced SAR history archieve over to to Transnet that the whole archive is now a total shambles without any filing system and documents scattered all over the place. No budget is allocated and no one cares particulary, so history is likely to end up on a dump somewhere. :o( SAR history will become history in a much sadder sense! Regards Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Long" <dave.long@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Cc: <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Railway Employees. > Hi Heather > > > > I have tried without success to contact the Transnet Heritage Library & > Archives for over a year now. I have used email, snail mail, phones and > fax > using the details provided below. If anyone has managed to contact them in > recent months, please let us know. > > > > My understanding based on older conversations on RootsWeb Mailing Lists is > that Transnet has dumped (locked up) all these records on the first floor > of > some building near Johannesburg Station. Due to lack of budget, it does > not > appear to know what to do with them. > > > > Regards > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > > > Previous Message: > > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 06:05:10 +0000 > > From: Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <heather@ancestry24.co.za> > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Railway employees. > > > > Hi Lynn > > > > Yes there are - Cape Town Archives if you look under the inventories of > the > T series in the reading room. > > > > Transnet does not hold staff records but has old Magazines that might hold > valuable information. > > > > Regards > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > TRANSNET HERITAGE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES > > > > > > Address: > > > > Street: 96 Rissik Street, corner of Rissik and De Villiers Streets, > Johannesburg > > Postal: P.O. Box 3753, Johannesburg, 2000 > > > > Telephone: > > > > (011) 773-9523 > > > > Fax: > > > > (011) 774-3415 > > > > E-Mail: > > > > EurikaD@transnet.co.za > <mailto:EurikaD@transnet.co.za%3cmailto:EurikaD@transnet.co.za> > <mailto:EurikaD@transnet.co.za> > > > > Website: > > > > http://www.transnetheritagefoundation.co.za > > > > Enquiries to: > > > > The Librarian > > > > Hours of opening: > > > > Monday - Friday 07h45-15h45 > > (except public holidays) > > > > Access: > > > > Open to the public. > > > > > > Brief history: The Transnet Heritage Library caters for the information > needs of researchers and users interested in the history of transportation > and the development of railways in South Africa since 1859. > > > > Acquisitions policy: The Transnet Heritage Library adds archival material > to > its collection which is regarded as historically relevant to Transnet's > history. > > > > Areas of specialisation: Rail transportation (steam, diesel and electric, > stations), Harbours (ships, tugs, lighthouses), Airways (airports, > aircraft, > special flights), Pipelines, Road transport (road motor vehicles, buses, > abnormal loads) etc. Information on the Anglo Boer War/South African War, > World War I and II. Civil Engineering (bridges, railway buildings, harbour > developments), Mechanical Engineering (tracks and permanent way, railway > workshop), Electrical Engineering (electrification of railway lines, > signaling and train control). > > > > Core holdings: Publications (books, magazines, archival material and > photographs) relating to Transnet and its predecessors, i.e. CGR, NGR, > NZASM, OVSS, IMR, SAR & H, SATS, Private Railway Companies (annual > reports, > departmental reports, timetables, staff magazines, publicity brochures > etc). > > > > Finding aids: Holdings are in the process of being computerised. Catalogue > available on the internet in 2006. > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather MacAlister > > > > Channel Manager > > > > E heather@ancestry24.co.za > > > > T +27 (021) 468 8957 > > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > > > > Join us on Facebook > > > > twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 > > > > 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather I have tried without success to contact the Transnet Heritage Library & Archives for over a year now. I have used email, snail mail, phones and fax using the details provided below. If anyone has managed to contact them in recent months, please let us know. My understanding based on older conversations on RootsWeb Mailing Lists is that Transnet has dumped (locked up) all these records on the first floor of some building near Johannesburg Station. Due to lack of budget, it does not appear to know what to do with them. Regards Dave ------------------------------ Previous Message: Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 06:05:10 +0000 From: Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <heather@ancestry24.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Railway employees. Hi Lynn Yes there are - Cape Town Archives if you look under the inventories of the T series in the reading room. Transnet does not hold staff records but has old Magazines that might hold valuable information. Regards Heather TRANSNET HERITAGE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES Address: Street: 96 Rissik Street, corner of Rissik and De Villiers Streets, Johannesburg Postal: P.O. Box 3753, Johannesburg, 2000 Telephone: (011) 773-9523 Fax: (011) 774-3415 E-Mail: EurikaD@transnet.co.za <mailto:EurikaD@transnet.co.za%3cmailto:EurikaD@transnet.co.za> <mailto:EurikaD@transnet.co.za> Website: http://www.transnetheritagefoundation.co.za Enquiries to: The Librarian Hours of opening: Monday - Friday 07h45-15h45 (except public holidays) Access: Open to the public. Brief history: The Transnet Heritage Library caters for the information needs of researchers and users interested in the history of transportation and the development of railways in South Africa since 1859. Acquisitions policy: The Transnet Heritage Library adds archival material to its collection which is regarded as historically relevant to Transnet's history. Areas of specialisation: Rail transportation (steam, diesel and electric, stations), Harbours (ships, tugs, lighthouses), Airways (airports, aircraft, special flights), Pipelines, Road transport (road motor vehicles, buses, abnormal loads) etc. Information on the Anglo Boer War/South African War, World War I and II. Civil Engineering (bridges, railway buildings, harbour developments), Mechanical Engineering (tracks and permanent way, railway workshop), Electrical Engineering (electrification of railway lines, signaling and train control). Core holdings: Publications (books, magazines, archival material and photographs) relating to Transnet and its predecessors, i.e. CGR, NGR, NZASM, OVSS, IMR, SAR & H, SATS, Private Railway Companies (annual reports, departmental reports, timetables, staff magazines, publicity brochures etc). Finding aids: Holdings are in the process of being computerised. Catalogue available on the internet in 2006. Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E heather@ancestry24.co.za T +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390 Join us on Facebook twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za

Many Scots helped build the Main Rail Line from Port Natal to the Reef in the late 1800's. The Natal Govt Railways, for whom most of them worked, also built a branch line from Ladysmith into the Free State. This may explain why there are some farms or places with distinctly Scottish names in that province. Two farms that are of interest to me are Stratherrick and Glen Urquhart. I have exhausted the Internet and am now hoping that someone who has one of those old SA Place Name books could please do a look up to see if there is any mention. Alternatively, someone may just know who gave these two farms their names and if there is any history available? I realise that a trace of the property transfers records at the Deeds Office is also a solution. However, I am not based in the province (and it is usually a very time consuming process). Regards Dave Long, Cape Town Researching: LONG, MURPHY, GRANT, BRAITHWAITE, HUNTER

Bruce you are a star, Thank you. This is what I love about our list members. Just when I think there is no hope, some one out there is always ready to help a beginner with the next step. Lucky > Hi Lucky, > > The death notices for the two brothers are listed in the Transvaal > Archives > (TAB)

Here is the information [Directory page for Bizana 1913 sent off list] I have about Mr. J.W. Marais, solicitor in Bizana, Pondoland from 1914 onward. I would have to go back to check if he is mentioned in any earlier diaries, but he certainly is not mentioned in any of the Directories that I have, before 1914. One, quite dramatic mention, is in 1917 when there was a terrible accident on the Umtamvuna River when the Resident Magistrate [J.C. Hargreaves] , his brother, and a Mr. Jeans/Geans were drowned, and Mr.Marais was the only survivor. This is written up in the book History of the Wild Coast by Clive Dennison. I have 57 diaries in total to transcribe, and am only up to 1927 right now. They end in 1957. So there may be more comments about Mr. Marais in other years. I have no idea of his age i.e. birth place or date. Does this help? Veronica in Canada

Hi Lucky, The death notices for the two brothers are listed in the Transvaal Archives (TAB) MHG, 01, 398/46, Smuts Mathew, 1945 MHG, 01, 36822, Smuts Evert William, 1918 Regards Bruce -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laquita belinfante Sent: 23 May 2011 16:49 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Smuts X Arundel Hello everyone I am trying to help a friend with his family. Does anyone have any information on brothers Evert *1918 and Mathew, both married Delores ARUNDEL. Evert and Delores had a daughter born 21 April 1917. He died in 1918 and she married his brother. Delores was a second generation Seventh-day Adventist, her mother being on of the first Seventh-day Adventists in Kimberley, and a member of the Warrenton Church. Do these names ring any bells with the SMUTS researchers? Any help would be wonderful. Lucky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only information I have is that Eliza Jane NORTH was born In NZ and married, 27 Apr 1910 Reginald Longworth Cave WILKINSON born in Australia, in NZ. Lucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Deare" <dearej@mweb.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] NORTH family >I know Rob North who lives in Hilton (near Pietermaritzburg).he's trying to > find details about a grandmother born in India. > > John

Thanks Jim. Much appreciated. Lucky

I know Rob North who lives in Hilton (near Pietermaritzburg).he's trying to find details about a grandmother born in India. John _____ From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laquita belinfante Sent: 23 May 2011 03:55 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] NORTH family Jim Do have any members of the North family that ended up in New Zealand or Australia circa 1822 (James),(Arthur Edward 1886)or (Eliza Jane 1889) Always fishing, Lucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM NORTH" <jim.north@wanadoo.fr> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Elsie May NORTH nee Rogers bornabout1899?Lived in Johannesburg? >I have at last received the said Death certificate: > It proves to be the correct one. > > So: After more than 6 years of searching I have at last found more > information about my father's first wife. > I was thrown by the fact that she lived in South Africa for many years. > I then noticed on Find My Past that she travelled back and forth several > times. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3654 - Release Date: 05/22/11

Hello everyone I am trying to help a friend with his family. Does anyone have any information on brothers Evert *1918 and Mathew, both married Delores ARUNDEL. Evert and Delores had a daughter born 21 April 1917. He died in 1918 and she married his brother. Delores was a second generation Seventh-day Adventist, her mother being on of the first Seventh-day Adventists in Kimberley, and a member of the Warrenton Church. Do these names ring any bells with the SMUTS researchers? Any help would be wonderful. Lucky

Hi Lucky The short answer is no. My North's came from in and around Buckden and St Neot's in Huntingdonshire. They were skilled carpenters who moved into London and assisted with its housing development and expansion around Clapham, Balham then Lewisham. I know of one who escaped to Canada where three of his children still live. Also an uncle of mine also emigrated to South Africa but his descendants are now in the USA. Always worth a cast, Jim -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laquita belinfante Sent: 23 May 2011 15:55 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] NORTH family Jim Do have any members of the North family that ended up in New Zealand or Australia circa 1822 (James),(Arthur Edward 1886)or (Eliza Jane 1889) Always fishing, Lucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM NORTH" <jim.north@wanadoo.fr> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Elsie May NORTH nee Rogers bornabout1899?Lived in Johannesburg? >I have at last received the said Death certificate: > It proves to be the correct one. > > So: After more than 6 years of searching I have at last found more > information about my father's first wife. > I was thrown by the fact that she lived in South Africa for many years. > I then noticed on Find My Past that she travelled back and forth several > times.

Jim Do have any members of the North family that ended up in New Zealand or Australia circa 1822 (James),(Arthur Edward 1886)or (Eliza Jane 1889) Always fishing, Lucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM NORTH" <jim.north@wanadoo.fr> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Elsie May NORTH nee Rogers bornabout1899?Lived in Johannesburg? >I have at last received the said Death certificate: > It proves to be the correct one. > > So: After more than 6 years of searching I have at last found more > information about my father's first wife. > I was thrown by the fact that she lived in South Africa for many years. > I then noticed on Find My Past that she travelled back and forth several > times.

To clarify, Bizana is a small village in Pondoland. These days a road runs from between Kokstad and Flagstaff to Port Edward (in Natal) through Bizana, crossing the Mitchell Bridge. The Camp I referred to was an army [CMR=Cape Mounted Rifles) or SAMR (South African Mounted Rifles)] or Police camp close to the village, established to keep order among the various tribes and to control the border with Natal when the Cape and Natal were still separate colonies. Dr.G.B. Thompson was the District Surgeon in Bizana from 1899 until mandatory retirement age. He stayed in Bizana and continued his practice until near his death in 1959. He was greatly involved in church affairs (all denominations) all his life and his work kept him involved with people medical, clerical and judicial in Kokstad, too, as he was required to attend and give evidence at Circuit Court at least once a year. Veronica in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Rodger" <rodgera@audioio.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] People mentioned in the 1914 Diary of Dr G.BThompson of Bizana > > I don't know what Bizana Camp WAS historically, but Google says it IS > now the location a holiday resort situated in the Eastern Cape, one > of a chain of holiday facilities. The chain's website links only to > its own members and its map is not really satisfactory, but Map > Studio's Road Atlas shows it about half-way in a straight line > between Kokstad and Port Edward, fairly close to the Provincial > border and on the R61. > > Andrew Rodger > rodgera@audioio.com > > > ---------------->

I have at last received the said Death certificate: It proves to be the correct one. So: After more than 6 years of searching I have at last found more information about my father's first wife. I was thrown by the fact that she lived in South Africa for many years. I then noticed on Find My Past that she travelled back and forth several times. She obviously did not advise the Hayes Court Care Home, where she died, of the full name of her divorced husband or the fact that he was still alive at the time of her being there. The Croydon Register Office have now been advised of the corrections. The date of birth narrows down the possible Elsie May Rogers to - Q3 1898, Cannock, Vol. 6b, Page 518. But the problem is that none born at that time have the name Frederick (a Baker) as a father, per her marriage certificate! I will eventual trace all the 'travelling to' addresses in the UK on the Electoral Rolls to see if any other family emerge. To some extent it is all a pointless exercise, just a need to know, because if she had not run off in a huff - for what ever reason - then I would not be writing this to you here and now! Jim Death cert reads: Death Entry No. 273. Registration district Croydon. Sub-district Croydon London Borough of Croydon. 10 April 1983, 50 Hayes Lane, Kenley. Elsie May NORTH Female Maiden name ROGERS. Born 24 Aug 1898. Widow of --- NORTH ---. (Hayes Court Nursing Home - see Google). 50 Hayes Lane, Kenley. Informant: John William Edward LEACH. Qualification - Causing the body to be cremated? Of - Ye Market, Selsdon Road, Croydon. Causes: 1a, Bronchopneumonia 1b, Congestive cardiac failure 11, Psendoanthnosis Certified by, M(ichael) J STURGESS MB. (Current owner of Hayes Court Nursing Home as at May 2011). Signed J W Edward LEACH, 21 April 1983 ? A VENABLES Registrar. Last message: Well if you assume that the year of birth is not 1899, but 1898, then she died in Croydon Name: Elsie May North Birth Date: 24 Aug 1898 Death Registration Month/Year: 1983 Registration district: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 11 Page: 1471 There's not much to work with with the others, but I suppose you could get the electoral rolls checked to see who the residents of these properties were. Kind regards Antony