I recently discovered "Mundia", a service of Ancestry.com. www.mundia.com It is in a beta testing stage, and while in beta testing it appears to give access to trees hosted on Ancestry.com but warns that this will probably be withdrawn in future when beta testing is complete. It has potential to be quite a useful service, but it also has the potential to do an immense amount of harm by encouraging bad genealogy practices, like copy and paste genealogy. For this reason I would like to encourage serious genealogists to visit the site and give them feedback during the bets-testing period, and also to discuss their findings here, so that suggestions we send to the developers can carry more weight. I posted something about it in soc.genealogy.computing, but there was little rersponse, and I got the impression that not many people had visited the site, or were interested in it. That would be a pity, because I think the site needs input from serious genealogists who know some of the pitfalls. It seems at first sight, to be similar to semi-scam sites like MyHeritage and Geni..com, where people are encouraged to goin (or coopted without consultation, in the case of MyHeritage, and then told that they must pay in order to be able to use their annexed data, A few people have given me access to their family trees on Ancestry,com and it seems a remarkably cumbersome way of organising one's family history. Some people seem to only keep their family history information on such sites, and when I ask if we can share and compare information, they offer access to their online tree, where there seems to be no possibility of sharing GEDCOM files. Is it really as bad as it looks, or am I missing something important? Here is a copy of my feedback to them - I would be interested in seeing what others have to say: Here's what I said: The whole experience of Mundia is a bit like feeling one's way in the dark, and very frustrating. You are directed (in the dark) to a group of objects. You can feel them, and chose one and turn on the light to look at it, but when you put it back on the shelf the light goes off again, and there is no way you can know whether you have picked up the same object, or one of the others. There is no way of comparing two objects to know which is the original or which is the copy. The objects are "trees". You enter a person to search for, and are shown a list of "trees" with that person. About five of them have exactly 10542 people in them. So which is the original and which are the copies? There's no point in contacting the owner if they have just copied everything from somewhere else. There is no identifying informatrion in the list to show which is which, so once you put a "tree" back on the shelf the light goes off, and you might pick up the same one five times. The "home" page for each user is singularly uninformative. There's nothing to say which families you are interested in and how you connect to them. There isn't even a list of links to web pages where the person can give more details. The whole thing seems to be designed to encourage bad "copy and paste" genealogy. As a bare minimum of improvements I suggest the following: 1. On the user profile, allow an explanation of the main familties being researched, or that the person links to, and a space for a link to the person's web page or blog. 2. When a list of "trees" is shown, provide enough identifying information so that you can know whether you have already looked at it -- even the owner's user name. 3. Provide an easy way of GEDCOM import and export, with the export clearly showing which "tree" the information came from in the source tag. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Hi Steve I looked at Mundia when it first came out but was not impressed then, and have the same opinion now Painfully awkward to move around and all those I came across were on known Ancestry trees (as I supplied some of the data now found linked on Mundia so I know its source) For the life of me I can't see a serious researcher using it What can it do that is not already available on Ancestry and other sites Summed up in a word "tedious" I do not think the tree owners on Ancestry realise their information is on this other site It shows what may happen when publishing all your data online, you have no control and don't know where it might end up Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I recently discovered "Mundia", a service of Ancestry.com. > > www.mundia.com > > It is in a beta testing stage, and while in beta testing it appears to give > access to trees hosted on Ancestry.com but warns that this will probably be > withdrawn in future when beta testing is complete. > > It has potential to be quite a useful service, but it also has the potential > to do an immense amount of harm by encouraging bad genealogy practices, like > copy and paste genealogy.

Dear Janine, The answer to your question is in e-SAGI (the electronic South African Genealogical Index), which is sold very cheaply by the West Gauteng branch of GSSA - contact Dennis Pretorius at krugersdorp@pixie.co.za I am not sure where the link is, but the four sisters you mention (Marjory, Amy, Rhoda and Nora) must be related to the Greeff family because their grandfather's name is James Brilliant Temlett. Regards, Francois Greeff _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Janine Nieuwenhuys [mailto:jarodd8@gmail.com] Sent: 13 June 2011 12:44 To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Surname TEMLETT I am looking for any information on my Grandmother's family. Her maiden name was Marjory Isabel TEMLETT. She married Anton Vincent Oberem. She had sisters Amy, Rhoda and Nora. I believe they were born in Alice in the Eastern Cape. Thank you. Regards Janine Nieuwenhuys ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janine James TEMLETT b 1797 x Ann Winter b 1796 Son James Brilliant TEMLETT b 1820 x Patience DICKS in 1840 xx Jemima RALPH in 1852 and their son John Ralph TEMLETT b Abt. 1853 x Ellen LESLIE in Abt 1878 with children Ralph b Abt. 1879, Amy b Abt. 1881, Marjorie b Abt. 1883, Nora b Abt. 1885 and Rhoda b Abt. 1887 Not very much sorry... Take care Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janine Nieuwenhuys" <jarodd8@gmail.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:43 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Surname TEMLETT >I am looking for any information on my Grandmother's family. Her maiden > name was Marjory Isabel TEMLETT. She married Anton Vincent Oberem. She > had > sisters Amy, Rhoda and Nora. I believe they were born in Alice in the > Eastern Cape.

Hi. I am looking for a James Parry, pharmacist. Last resident in Cape Town. He would be in his 50's, now. Thanx Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert 4 Stockenstrom St, George 6529 RSA Box 2005, George 6530 RSA Tel: 0448743655 Cell: 0827239608 Fax: 0865144306 Email: shoes@telkomsa.net www.palsembroiderypatterns.yolasite.com Syva RapidTest d.a.u. -Siemens urine testing of drugs of abuse -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy O'Brien Sent: 15 June 2011 04:43 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com; Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Parry Hello All, I am trying to find out more about my paternal great-grandmother's side of the family. Her maiden name was Mary Maria Parry. She was married in South Africa to my great-grandfather, James Howells. I am copying the SA and Essex lists, since she was born in the UK and died in South Africa. The information I have is that she was born in England in May 1864, and died in South Africa on 15 August 1944. Her mother's name was Mary Rebecca Parry, and I am trying to find out her maiden name and her husband's name. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, and kind regards, Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6208 (20110614) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi, The only Mary Maria Parry births registered in England anywhere near 1864 are in 1870 (Holborn, London) & 1879 (Weobley, Herefordshire). Was her mother's name a married name? There is only one Mary Rebecca Parry birth registered which was in 1848 (Holywell, Flintshire). Her birth may not have been registered because although official registration started in 1837, it didn't become mandatory until 1875. And I know from my own family tree, that some birth registrations were missed well after 1875. Do you have any other information which might help to find them in the UK census? Regards, Phil Curtis On 15 June 2011 04:42, Wendy O'Brien <wob303@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > I am trying to find out more about my paternal great-grandmother's side of > the family. Her maiden name was Mary Maria Parry. She was married in South > Africa to my great-grandfather, James Howells. I am copying the SA and Essex > lists, since she was born in the UK and died in South Africa. > > The information I have is that she was born in England in May 1864, and > died in South Africa on 15 August 1944. Her mother's name was Mary Rebecca > Parry, and I am trying to find out her maiden name and her husband's name. > > Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, and kind regards, > Wendy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Wendy, Found this on NAAIRS for you: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/11178 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 94326 PART 1 DESCRIPTION HOWELLS, MARY MARIA. NEE PARRY. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19440000 ENDING 19440000 Regards. [Glynis] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, I am trying to find out more about my paternal great-grandmother's side of the family. Her maiden name was Mary Maria Parry. She was married in South Africa to my great-grandfather, James Howells. I am copying the SA and Essex lists, since she was born in the UK and died in South Africa. The information I have is that she was born in England in May 1864, and died in South Africa on 15 August 1944. Her mother's name was Mary Rebecca Parry, and I am trying to find out her maiden name and her husband's name. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, and kind regards, Wendy

Searching for Ruby E. LATIMER and Andrew LATIMER, maybe Rondebosch or East London areas. The LATIMERs are believed to have come from County Mayo before World War 2. We have only recently learnt that some of this family may have gone to South Africa. They may be siblings of my grandmother, Ruby Ellen LATIMER b.1869 in County Roscommon and who later married and came to Australia. Val Lowrie

Hi Val, I am not researching this family but I have in my data base a, LATIMER Andrew, Cremated at the Cambridge Crematorium in East London on 02.08.1965, at the time of his Death on 31.07.1965 he was aged 79 (born about 1886) a Retired Senator and still married, residing at 21 Devereux Ave, Vincent, East London, the above information has been transcribed from the official Cremation Register, and I can email you a copy of the relevant page off line if you so wish. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "VL" <mema410@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:22 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] LATIMER from Ireland pre 1945 > Searching for Ruby E. LATIMER and Andrew LATIMER, maybe Rondebosch or > East London areas. > > The LATIMERs are believed to have come from County Mayo before World > War 2. > > We have only recently learnt that some of this family may have gone > to South Africa. > > They may be siblings of my grandmother, Ruby Ellen LATIMER b.1869 in > County Roscommon and who later married and came to Australia. > > Val Lowrie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A large Temlett family lived in Queenstown at one stage. They were all desended from 1820 Settlers and some had the 2nd name "Brilliant" the name of the ship that brought them to South Africa. A number of them (at least 12) are buried in the Queenstown Cemetery (see Sunelia Heath's pics.) Google the name. There are quite a few interesting sites. Edric Russell russ@eci.co.za Greetings Janine. My granny knew a Miss Temlett, who lived next door in a flat in Germiston and also went with her to the 1820 settlers monument. This I am looking for any information on my Grandmother's family. Her maiden name was Marjory Isabel TEMLETT. She married Anton Vincent Oberem. She had sisters Amy, Rhoda and Nora. I believe they were born in Alice in the Eastern Cape. >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6204 (20110613) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Greetings Janine. My granny knew a Miss Temlett, who lived next door in a flat in Germiston and also went with her to the 1820 settlers monument. This Miss Temlett never married and passed on in the years 1975 to 1990. Douglas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janine Nieuwenhuys" <jarodd8@gmail.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:43 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Surname TEMLETT >I am looking for any information on my Grandmother's family. Her maiden > name was Marjory Isabel TEMLETT. She married Anton Vincent Oberem. She > had > sisters Amy, Rhoda and Nora. I believe they were born in Alice in the > Eastern Cape. > > Thank you. > Regards > Janine Nieuwenhuys > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for any information on my Grandmother's family. Her maiden name was Marjory Isabel TEMLETT. She married Anton Vincent Oberem. She had sisters Amy, Rhoda and Nora. I believe they were born in Alice in the Eastern Cape. Thank you. Regards Janine Nieuwenhuys

I know this has been dealt with before but I just cannot find it in my current mess!!! Can I please have the correct EMAIL address for these records. I used fandfdoc@mweb.co.za and it has bounced back so obviously this is out of date. Take care Lynn

Hi All, If anyone is going to the Pretoria archives and would be prepared to do some look-ups for me, please let me know and also please include your costs. Any assistance greatly appreciated. -- Regards, Con Mercer

Hi Lynn Try sandfdoc@mweb.co.za! It must have been a very old address if the s'ses still look like f"s.Just a joke. Kind regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn MacLeod" <MacLeod.Family@xtra.co.nz> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 5:24 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Military Records >I know this has been dealt with before but I just cannot find it in my >current mess!!! > Can I please have the correct EMAIL address for these records. I used > fandfdoc@mweb.co.za and it has bounced back so obviously this is out of > date. > Take care > Lynn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Con I see there was a Major Ashburner in Kimberley in 1902. He could have been connected to the Cape Mounted Police. Contact the Kimberley Africa Library Africana@solplaatje.org.za They should have some info on him. Basil Brown From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Con Mercer Sent: 05 June 2011 12:09 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Death Notice in Cape Archives - ASHBURNER FAMILY Hi All, I have been asked to help a friend of mine to research the ASHBURNER family and have discovered that his grandfather Harry John ASHBURNER was married to a Rosina HARRISON who I think could be the person listed below as having an estate file in the Cape Archives: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/22771 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 3758/54 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ALPER, ROSINA ELLEN. NEE HARRISON. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19540000 ENDING 19540000 I cannot find an estate file for Harry John ASHBURNER and perhaps this estate file, although it doesn't mention the name ASHBURNER, may provide more clues. Any assistance greatly appreciated. -- Regards, Con Mercer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1511/3680 - Release Date: 06/04/11

Dear Con, I have a family tree on the Ashburners. It may be of some help to you. My great gran was Mabel Ashburner so I do have a bit of info on them. If you would like me to send it you just let me know. Regards Desre On 5 Jun 2011, at 11:09, Con Mercer wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been asked to help a friend of mine to research the ASHBURNER > family and have discovered that his grandfather Harry John ASHBURNER was > married to a Rosina HARRISON who I think could be the person listed > below as having an estate file in the Cape Archives: > > > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE MOOC > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 6/9/22771 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 3758/54 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION ALPER, ROSINA ELLEN. NEE HARRISON. ESTATE PAPERS. > STARTING 19540000 > ENDING 19540000 > > I cannot find an estate file for Harry John ASHBURNER and perhaps this > estate file, although it doesn't mention the name ASHBURNER, may provide > more clues. > > Any assistance greatly appreciated. > > -- > Regards, Con Mercer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keith, Andrew, Eileen & Philip Thank you for your response, I do apologize for my bad transcription it should read > WAKKERSTROOM CEMETERY > 1899 - 1902 > > IN PROUD REMEMBRANCE OF SOLDIERS ORIGINALLY BURIED AT STURMAN RANGES, > UITGEVALEN, CASTROLS NEK, PIET RETIEF RUSTPLAAS WHO NOW LIE BURIED HERE > WITH THOSE ORIGINALY INERRED AT WAKKERSTROOM > I also left the following out: *AUSTRALIAN HORSE * TPR SERENE G 11.4.01 Trysie

On 4 Jun 2011, at 5:09 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Trysie, > > Thank you for that! > > It is interesting that at the height of anti-British sentiment (ZA > was about > to vote to leave the Commonwealth) such a monument was erected. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:05:17 PM EDT > From: Trysie Joubert <wilmavzyl@gmail.com> > To: Eastern Cape List <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com>Cc: > Buitenpsten > <buitenposten@rootsweb.com>, Brittish Immigrants > <south-africa-immigrants-british-l@rootsweb.com>, > south-africa@rootsweb.com, south-africa-orange-free-state > <south-africa-orange-free-state@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] British soldiers who died between 1899 – > 1902 in the > Wakkerstroom/Piet Retief districts > > Contact me if you would like a photo of this Monument > > Trysie > > > WAKKERSTROOM CEMETERY > > 1899 - 1902 > > IN PROUD REMEMBERANCE OF SOLDIERS ORIGINALLY BURIED AT STURMAN RANCES, > UITGEVALEN, CASTROL NEK, PIET RETIEF RUSTPLAAS WHO NOW LIE BURIED > HERE WITH > THOSE ORIGINALY INERRED AT WAKKERSTROOM Indeed. I wonder whether the transcription is exactly accurate: there are three errors in the above paragraph (one in the first line and the others two successive words in the third line). Mind you, if the transcription is correct, it wouldn't surprise me -- I've seen worse in Woltemade, including one on my mother-in-law's stone, which my brother-in-law didn't pick up and have corrected, along with an incorrect date (or perhaps his writing was insufficiently legible and he couldn't insist). This was done by a monumental mason right opposite the cemetery who must get a lot of business ("position, position, position!") and who should have known better, but these days printers, once the best proof-readers, don't know better either. Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com