Morning Delia, Thank you so much for this site - you have done a WONDERFUL job - Your work is appreciated by myself and many many others - THANK YOU. Take care, Glynis -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DRobertson Sent: 25 June 2011 06:19 AM To: Buitenposten; ZA-IB; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] First Fifty Year Website All, The First Fifty Years website has been updated. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/ Kind regards Delia Robertson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, As I look at a map of the peninsula, and recall that Simonstown was a winter port for shelter from the prevailing North wind, I have to ask: Does Hout Bay not fit the bill? It is half the distance from Cape Town, and seems to be sheltered. Is the harbour too shallow? Was the overland journey to Cape Town more arduous than that from Simonstown? Keith

All, According to the MEINTJES genealogy, b4 c3 Johannes Petrus MEINTJES =1751 x Magdalena Catharina ERASMUS xx Hester Cecilia OLIVIER. His son, d1, also Johannes Petrus =1785, x 30.5.1808 Elizabeth Magrietha BOTHA = 1795. She was the d/o Frederick Johannes Botha and Maria Catharina Potgieter. Except, a TANAP inventory clearly states that EM Botha was the wife of the first JP Meintjes. I perhaps need to get beyond that she was 13 and he was 57 at the time of their marriage (his third). I plan to research this when I am in Cape Town next month. Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted. Ariel Rudolph and I have previously researched HC Olivier, who was previously married to an Oosthuizen. Thank you, Keith

All, The First Fifty Years website has been updated. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/ Kind regards Delia Robertson

Hear, Hear! From: glynis <glynis@kwikmark.co.za> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2011, 8:00 Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] First Fifty Year Website Morning Delia, Thank you so much for this site - you have done a WONDERFUL job - Your work is appreciated by myself and many many others - THANK YOU. Take care, Glynis -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DRobertson Sent: 25 June 2011 06:19 AM To: Buitenposten; ZA-IB; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] First Fifty Year Website All, The First Fifty Years website has been updated. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/ Kind regards Delia Robertson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 24 Jun 2011 at 13:42, Ian van Zyl wrote: > Here is a list of SA missionaries and places mentioned in the journals by > date. I have copied the place names verbatim, as written in the journals. Thanks for that - I took the liberty of forwarding it to the missiological list as well. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

These are the only "J Perfect's" listed in the online white pages. B J Perfect 23 Diggerydve Taybank , port elizabeth , Port Elizabeth And Eastern Cape , Eastern Cape 0413601901 Jla Perfect Grenswag House 59 Elliot St Kokstad , Pietermaritzburg And Kwazulu-natal Interior , Kwazulu-natal 0397274094 Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert 4 Stockenstrom St, George 6529 RSA Box 2005, George 6530 RSA Tel: 0448743655 Cell: 0827239608 Fax: 0865144306 Email: shoes@telkomsa.net www.palsembroiderypatterns.yolasite.com Syva RapidTest d.a.u. -Siemens urine testing of drugs of abuse -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Con Mercer Sent: 23 June 2011 07:40 PM To: south-africa-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Contact Details - John Perfect Hi All, Does anyone have contact details for John Perfect? I have two people looking to contact him at present and I don't have an updated email address for him. Any assistance much appreciated. -- Regards, Con Mercer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6233 (20110623) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

The Bodleian Library in Oxford, UK, holds a set of "Regions Beyond", the journal of the "East London Institute for Home and Foreign Missions" which I was recently able to consult. This organization trained missionaries at Harley House in the East End of London and sent them all over the world, including South Africa. Here is a list of SA missionaries and places mentioned in the journals by date. I have copied the place names verbatim, as written in the journals. March 1879 Charlie Maquba Sitwana American Mission School, Illovo, Natal Mr and Mrs Clarke, Ixopo, Natal June 1879 Mr and Mrs Aitcheson, Ikwesi Lamaci, Natal November 1879 Mr. Anderson, Dysselsdorp near Oudtshoorn Mr R.S. Langford, Dysselsdorp near Oudtshoorn Mr. Atkinson. Dysselsdorp near Oudtshoorn Rev. W. Thompson, Congregational Church Minister, Cape Town Mr and Mrs Elbert Clarke, Ixopo, Natal April/May 1883 Mr Cousins, Port Alfred Mr Pearson, Port Alfred Mr Christison, Gordon Memorial Mission, Natal June/July 1883 Mr and Mrs Aitcheson, Ikwesi Lamaci, Natal Alfred Eyles, Malan Cliff, Natal February 1885 Mr Elbert Clarke, Ixopo, Natal Mr Denyer, Kareiga, near Grahamstown Mr Geo. Jones, Kareiga, near Grahamstown Mr Kelly, Walmer Mr. Ramage, Dysselsdorp Sept/ Oct 1888 Mr Harris, Ifumi, Natal Mr and Mrs Eyles, Natal Mr and Mrs Elbert Clarke, Natal Mr Christie, Ifumi, Natal The complete reference is: The Regions beyond, the journal of the East London institute for home and foreign missions [afterw.] organ of the Regions beyond missionary union. Ed. by mrs. H.G. Guinness. 1878-1888. On request, I can provide more information about each of these people, usually mentioned in an article about the particular mission. Ian van Zyl Canada

Good morning everybody. Is there anybody on the list researching BOTHA's from the Adelaide, Fort Beaufort, Post Retief, Balfour and Seymour areas. I would like to hear from you please. Have a good day. Regards. Neil. Neil C Holmes. P O Box 2676. Beacon Bay. 5205 2 Mayflower Terrace Beacon Bay, 5241 Cell 082 334 6892 Tell 043 748 1174

Hi, Glad to report that -2 changed to dateformat on my openoffice calc gives a date of 28 December 1899 Day 60 also formats correctly to 28/02/1900 ...might be time to get some free software :-) Cheers, Karel Marais Marais x Thurnau Lloyd x Pienaar Bennett x Cloete Webber x Maskrey Kapp x Slabbert, Bestbier Du Toit --- On Fri, 24/6/11, Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> wrote: From: Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Dates in Excel To: "SA List" <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 24 June, 2011, 3:18 All, May I complain a little bit? I am amazed to find the limitations and errors in Excel's default date calculations.  I will have to go back and check my spreadsheets for date calculations. 1. Day 1 (on the PC) and Day 0 (on the Mac) are four years apart. If you cut and paste dates from one platform to the other, they will differ by four years and one day. To check: Make a new spreadsheet, type 1 in a cell, and then format it as a date. If the result is Jan 1, 1900 you are on the default for a PC. If the result is Jan 2, 1904, you are on the default for a Mac. 2. 1900 was not a leap year. But, Excel preserves a bug in Lotus123 that it was. So, on a PC, any day calculation before March 1, 1900, (but after Jan 1, 1900) will be in error by one day. 3. Dates before Jan 1 1900 (on the PC) and before Jan 1 1904 (on the Mac) do not exist. On the PC (1900 system) they are undefined. On the Mac, they are a negative reflection of the future! Make a new spreadsheet, type -2 in a cell, and then format it as a date. On a PC you will get an infinite string of ####, on a Mac you will get -Sunday, January 3, 1904. If you want to be a geek, you can switch the setting: Options, Advanced, Calculate, Check or uncheck the box for 1994 date system. It just blows my mind that when you copy data between spreadsheets, Excel does not check and reconcile the date system. Also, the 1900 leap year error persists? Finally, I do not care what "zero" is. But, (negative) dates before zero are wrong or undefined? Give me a break! These are simple issues to fix. Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, I should have said this is relevant because all my MEINTJES genealogy information is in spreadsheets. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:28:13 PM EDT From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> To: "SA List" <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Dates in Excel All, May I complain a little bit? I am amazed to find the limitations and errors in Excel's default date calculations. I will have to go back and check my spreadsheets for date calculations. 1. Day 1 (on the PC) and Day 0 (on the Mac) are four years apart. If you cut and paste dates from one platform to the other, they will differ by four years and one day. To check: Make a new spreadsheet, type 1 in a cell, and then format it as a date. If the result is Jan 1, 1900 you are on the default for a PC. If the result is Jan 2, 1904, you are on the default for a Mac. 2. 1900 was not a leap year. But, Excel preserves a bug in Lotus123 that it was. So, on a PC, any day calculation before March 1, 1900, (but after Jan 1, 1900) will be in error by one day. 3. Dates before Jan 1 1900 (on the PC) and before Jan 1 1904 (on the Mac) do not exist. On the PC (1900 system) they are undefined. On the Mac, they are a negative reflection of the future! Make a new spreadsheet, type -2 in a cell, and then format it as a date. On a PC you will get an infinite string of ####, on a Mac you will get -Sunday, January 3, 1904. If you want to be a geek, you can switch the setting: Options, Advanced, Calculate, Check or uncheck the box for 1994 date system. It just blows my mind that when you copy data between spreadsheets, Excel does not check and reconcile the date system. Also, the 1900 leap year error persists? Finally, I do not care what "zero" is. But, (negative) dates before zero are wrong or undefined? Give me a break! These are simple issues to fix. Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, May I complain a little bit? I am amazed to find the limitations and errors in Excel's default date calculations. I will have to go back and check my spreadsheets for date calculations. 1. Day 1 (on the PC) and Day 0 (on the Mac) are four years apart. If you cut and paste dates from one platform to the other, they will differ by four years and one day. To check: Make a new spreadsheet, type 1 in a cell, and then format it as a date. If the result is Jan 1, 1900 you are on the default for a PC. If the result is Jan 2, 1904, you are on the default for a Mac. 2. 1900 was not a leap year. But, Excel preserves a bug in Lotus123 that it was. So, on a PC, any day calculation before March 1, 1900, (but after Jan 1, 1900) will be in error by one day. 3. Dates before Jan 1 1900 (on the PC) and before Jan 1 1904 (on the Mac) do not exist. On the PC (1900 system) they are undefined. On the Mac, they are a negative reflection of the future! Make a new spreadsheet, type -2 in a cell, and then format it as a date. On a PC you will get an infinite string of ####, on a Mac you will get -Sunday, January 3, 1904. If you want to be a geek, you can switch the setting: Options, Advanced, Calculate, Check or uncheck the box for 1994 date system. It just blows my mind that when you copy data between spreadsheets, Excel does not check and reconcile the date system. Also, the 1900 leap year error persists? Finally, I do not care what "zero" is. But, (negative) dates before zero are wrong or undefined? Give me a break! These are simple issues to fix. Keith

Hi All, Does anyone have contact details for John Perfect? I have two people looking to contact him at present and I don't have an updated email address for him. Any assistance much appreciated. -- Regards, Con Mercer

Name of Deceased: John WARD Birthplace: Meath in Ireland Nationality: Father: unknown Mother: unknown Age at Death: 65 years Condition in Life: Stable-keeper Ordinary Residence: n/s Marital Status: Married Surviving Spouse: n/s Predeceased Spouses: Date of Death: Date of Death: 23 February 1860 Place of Death: At his residence in Diep River, Cape Town Place of Last Marriage: Children: Mary S WARD - major John Henry WARD - minor James WARD - minor Bernard WARD - minor William WARD - minor Ann WARD - minor Elizabeth WARD - minor Christina WARD - minor Johanna WARD - minor Left Property: Property Type: Immovable Was a Will Left: n/s Signed at: n/s Dated on: n/s Signed by: C J O WARD In capacity of: Surviving Spouse Comment: Acc. Document from widow to Master's Office gives her name as G T O WARD, Widow. **************************************************************************** ************* Source: Depot Kab Source Mooc Type Leer Volume_No 6/9/89 System 01 Reference 6728 Description WARD, John. Death Notice Starting 1860 Ending 1860 Received in error - unknown to me G.C. **************************************************************************** *************

Name of Deceased: William WARD Birthplace: unknown Nationality: Father: unknown Mother: unknown Age at Death: 39 years Condition in Life: Trader Ordinary Residence: n/s Marital Status: unknown Surviving Spouse: n/s Predeceased Spouses 1 n/s Date of Death Date of Death: 7 February 1854 - attached cert of Rev A ROBSON Place of Death: At his residence, Port Elizabeth Place of Last Marriage: n/s Children: Left Property: Property Type: Estate of deceased sequestrated after his death Was a Will Left: n/s Signed at: n/s Dated on: 29 February 1856 Signed by: S WATERMEYER In capacity of: On behalf of the widow of S ROWE to whose husband's Estate the Deceased had been nominated a Testamentary Executor Comment: Attached was a letter dated 17 February 1854 from Rev. A ROWE, certifying that on 8 February 1854, the mortal remains of William WARD who died on 7 February 1854, was buried. **************************************************************************** ******* Depot Kab Source Mooc Type Leer Volume_No 6/9/73 System 01 Reference 3659 Description WARD, William. Death Notice Starting 1856 Ending 1856 Received in error - unknown to me G.C. **************************************************************************** *******

Name of the deceased: John CANNON Birthplace and Nationality of the deceased: Islington, London, England, British Name and addresses of the parents of the deceased: Father: Daniel CANNON (Deceased) Mother: Mary CANNON (Deceased) Age of the deceased: 83 years Ten months Occupation in life of the deceased, or, if a women of her husband: Railway Police Ordinary place of residence of the deceased or, if a woman, of her husband: Shotley, Berea, Johannesburg Married or unmarried, widower or widow: Widower Name of surviving spouse if any and whether married in community of property or not: N/S Name or names and approximate date of death of predeceased spouse or spouses: Mary Ann Elizabeth CANNON (WILKINSON) 23rd June, 1951. 3574/51 Place of last marriage: Islington, London, England The day of decease on: 5th August, 1954 Where the person died: House: Renishaw Hospital Town or place: Scottburgh District: Umzinto - Natal Names of children of deceased and whether majors or minors: Constance Ruth LAWSON (CANNON) - major. Winnifred Norah MACGREGOR (CANNON) - major State separately the children born of different marriages and give the date of birth of each minor. Names must be written out in full. If there are no children, and either or both parents be dead, then give the names and addresses of the brothers and sisters of the deceased. N/S Has the deceased left any movable property? Yes Has the deceased left any immovable property? No Is it estimated that the estate exceeds L300 in value? Yes Has the deceased left a will? Yes Dated at: Florida the ?th day of August, 1954 (Signature) Arch. LAWSON Executor Nominate, arrived just after death. Source: Depot TAB Source MHG Type Leer Volume_No 0 System 01 Reference 4935/54 Part 1 Description CANNON, John. Starting 19540000 Ending 19540000 Remarks Predeceased Spouse Mary Ann Elizabeth CANNON (Born WILKINSON).

Hi does anyone have Samuel Davis born in 1875 and died in September, 1945. He was Police Commissioner in Umtata before moving to Cape Town. His wife, Lilian Elizabeth Davis (nee Harding) was born in 1877 and died on 1st June, 1958. Regards, Alison

No one is supposed to have one...what info are you looking for? Tell me off-list - John -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Desre Bean Sent: 22 June 2011 06:03 PM To: south-africa-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Voters List Dear Listers, Does anyone have access to the SA Voters Roll/List Thank you Desre ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3719 - Release Date: 06/22/11

Sunelia Just a correction, it is 1984. Stoffel Willemse Kroonstad, Vrystaat -----Original Message----- From: Sunelia Heath <sunelia.heath@yahoo.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:33:50 To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Voters List Hallo :-) GGSA is busy (with the help of loads of volunteers) transcibing the 1972 Voterslist.  As far as I know most/all? voterslists are available at the archives.  I'm not sure which ones though. Kind regards Sunelia Heath :-) ________________________________ From: John Deare <dearej@mweb.co.za> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 8:28:41 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Voters List No one is supposed to have one...what info are you looking for? Tell me off-list - John -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Desre Bean Sent: 22 June 2011 06:03 PM To: south-africa-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Voters List Dear Listers, Does anyone have access to the SA Voters Roll/List Thank you Desre ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3719 - Release Date: 06/22/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Does anyone have access to the SA Voters Roll/List Thank you Desre