On 13 Sep 2011 at 13:34, Helge Pretorius [HQP Compensation Technol wrote: > If someone was born in Uniondale during the period 1910 - 1930, under > which region will I have to look for their baptism records? Depends on their religious affiliation. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com http://hayesfam.posterous.com/ E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

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Tania, This may be of some assistance: http://www.jhbcityparks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116 &Itemid=61 -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tania@mtsr.com.au Sent: 13 September 2011 05:12 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cemetaries around Jeppestown Johannesburg I am looking for cemeteries around Jeppestown and Bertrams, Johannesburg? Thankyou Kindly Tania ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 13 Sep 2011 at 14:11, tania@mtsr.com.au wrote: > I am looking for cemeteries around Jeppestown and Bertrams, Johannesburg? None in either place, that I know of, though possibly some churches may have had graveyards, but if they did they would have been small ones. The nearest is probably Braamfontein, on the west side of town, which was replaced by Brixton, a bit further west, and then by West Park, which is a few kilometres north-west of Brixton. Most current burials take place at West Park. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Tania, It depends on the era, the early cemeteries in use were Braamfontein and Brixton in Johannesburg and from roughly 1941 West Park. There are also farm cemeteries scattered around JHB too, the closest to there is probably the Bezuidenhout family cemetery. >I am looking for cemeteries around Jeppestown and Bertrams, Johannesburg? > >Thankyou Kindly > >Tania > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The SAG charts for these families are a mess, hopelessly confusing these two families. So, Aaltje VELTHUIZEN m[1]1842 Jan MAKKINK [he + 1854] she m[2] in Holland 1857 Gerrit WASSINK. WASSINK brothers came here c 1860 with MAKKINK stepchildren in tow. I can't figure out how to get these descent charts to look nice in Plain Text. Cheers, Don McArthur. Descendants of Martinus Wassink 1 Martinus WASSINK b: 18 Aug 1784 in Doetinchem dagloner, arbeider .. +Arnolda BOMVIEL m: Bef. 1818 d: Bef. 1819 *2nd Wife of Martinus WASSINK: .. +Wendelina HEERINK b: 25 Aug 1785 in Steenderen m: 7 Jul 1819 in Angerlo Father: Gerrit HEERINK Mother: Geesken JANSEN ... 2 Arnoldus WASSINK b: Abt. 1819 in Angerlo arbeider d: 1906 in Natal [NAB MSCE 26/52] ....... +Jantje GERRITSEN b: 17 Aug 1817 in Angerlo dienstmeid m: 26 Nov 1853 in Doesburg d: 16 Feb 1892 b: New Gelderland Father: Jan GERRITSEN Mother: Gerritjen REUTRINK ........ 3 Hermina WASSINK b: Abt. 1858 d: 24 Jul 1929 b: New Gelderland ............ +Dirk Jan MAKKINK b: 1 Jun 1847 in Doesburg d: 19 Jun 1909 b: New Gelderland Father: Jan MAKKINK Mother: Aaltjen VELTHUYSEN ............. 4 Dirk Jan MAKKINK b: 13 Dec 1881 8 Mar 1883 ~ New Gelderland d: 11 Jun 1941 b: New Gelderland ................. +Kate Elizabeth KNOX b: 11 Jul 1889 d: 26 Apr 1966 b: New Gelderland ............. 4 Aaltje MAKKINK b: 4 Jan 1886 d: 22 Sep 1910 b: New Gelderland ... 2 Gerrit WASSINK b: 10 Feb 1821 in Angerlo d: 12 Nov 1885 b: New Gelderland ....... +Aaltjen VELTHUYSEN b: 21 Jun 1821 in Doesburg, Gelderland, NLD m: 19 Jul 1857 in Doesburg d: 18 Dec 1886 in New Gelderland, Natal b: New Gelderland Father: Andries Gradus VELTHUIZEN Mother: Susanna Maria ROOKMAKER ........ 3 Andries Gerhardus WASSINK b: 19 Jul 1860 20 Jul 1860 ~ Pietermaritzburg ........ 3 Jan Willem Bernard WASSINK b: 7 Feb 1863 19 Jul 1863 ~ New Gelderland d: 12 Apr 1886 b: New Gelderland

Hello Steve, Many thanks for all of that information will be a great help. Ray Hudson. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6609 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello List, Where would I apply for a birth certificate for a birth at Uitenhagen in 1902/3? Are there any online indexes available to search? Ray Hudson -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6608 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

On 12 Sep 2011 at 8:11, rayh wrote: > Hello List, > Where would I apply for a birth certificate for a birth at Uitenhagen > in 1902/3? Are there any online indexes available to search? If you are a newcomer to South African genealogy, you may have a lot of questions. Here are some answers to some of the most frequently asked questions: WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO BEGIN? If you're asking this on the Internet, presumably you have access to a web browser, and one of the best places to begin with South African genealogy is right here: http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/ WHERE CAN I FIND SOUTH AFRICAN CENSUS RECORDS? The short answer is: You can't. South African census returns are routinely destroyed after statistical information has been abstracted, so South African genealogists don't use them. WHAT DO SOUTH AFRICAN GENEALOGISTS USE THEN? One of the best places to begin is the records of deceased estates. These usually have a Death Notice, which should (but sometimes doesn't) give you the names of the parents, spouse and children of the deceased, or if the deceased was unmarried, the names of brothers and sisters. They have the wills, if any (except in the Cape, where wills and estate accounts have been filed separately from death notices in the older estates), and the estate accounts. The older ones are in the archives and have computer indexes, and you can search the indexes on the web here: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm but be sure to read the introduction and explanatory text before searching. WHERE CAN I FIND SOUTH AFRICAN SHIPPING LISTS? First, they are not a good place to start looking. They are incomplete, and all over the place. If you want to know if some relative went to South Africa and died here, look in the deceased estates, not the shipping lists. In most cases, shipping lists are a last resort, or a means of providing "filler" information to round out the family history. Secondly, if you do want to try shipping lists, you need to know where your ancestor came from, and roughly when. If the answer is Germany 1859, the shipping lists have been published (Werner Schmidt-Pretoria, _Deutsche Auswanderung nach Sued-Afrika im 19 Jahrhundert_). Some other shipping lists have also been published, but they are fragmentary. If you are looking for ancestors who emigrated to Southern Africa in the period 1890-1925, one possible source is _South Africa_ magazine. This was published in London. The Johannesburg Public Library and the National Library in Tshwane have incomplete runs. You could try other libraries too. They published lists of passengers embarking at British ports for South Africa, and embarking at South African ports for the UK (and sometimes other places). _South Africa_ magazine is a useful source, if you can find it, as it also has birth, marriage and death announcements, and other personal news, usually of the richer members of society. Some of these have been transcribed by Ellen Stanton, and can be seen here: http://www.genealogyworld.net/ellen/shipping/index.html Some other passenger lists and other useful stuff are available at: http://www.genealogyworld.net/ WHERE CAN I FIND WILLS OR PROBATE RECORDS? With the deceased estates. See: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm I did a search on the archives: what do the funny things like DEPOT and VOLUME mean? See the warning above: Be sure to read the introduction and explanatory text before searching. If you didn't, go here now: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/fields.htm HOW DO I GET A BIRTH CERTIFICATE? With some difficulty. First, to apply for one, you need to know the information you probably want to get from the certificate. That's Catch 22. Catches 1-21 are almost as bad. Birth cer- tificates are expensive. They take a long time to get. The indexes are not open to the public so you can't ask someone else to look them up. For more information, and applications forms, see: http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/ The good news is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, Mormons) has microfilmed some of the registers, so that if you want the information in the register, as opposed to an official certificate, you can try there. If you want to know what the LDS has, go to their web site: http:// www.familysearch.com or http://www.familysearch.org , Click on LIBRARY, click on FAMILY LIBRARY HISTORY CATALOGUE, click on PLACE NAME enter South Africa Click on Civil Registration Click on HERE right at the bottom so you have a printable copy. HOW DO I GET A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE? Marriage certificates are of little use to genealogists in South Africa. They do not give the names and occupations of parents. They are as difficult to get as birth certificates. For more information on getting marriage certificates see: http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/ Your best chance of seeing a marriage certificate, however, is if the couple got divorced, and you find a copy in the divorce records. SOME divorce records are in the archives, and you can find them here: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm The archival references to divorces will sometimes speak of "illiquid cases" or "opposed applications", and sometimes there will be both. Make sure you order the right ones. They can be quite useful. Sometimes you can really get the dirt on your ancestors from these things - private detectives' reports on how many times they committed adultery, where and with whom, for example. Also, names and ages of minor children and who got the custody. If you still want a marriage certificate (or birth certificate), you need to apply to the Department of Home Affairs, Private Bag X114, Pretoria, 0001. Before they can issue a certificate, they usually want to know the kind of information you probably hope to get from the certificate. Marriages were registered nationally from 1923 to 1976, and after 1994. Between 1976 and 1994 some "homeland" marriages may have been registered separately. Before 1923 registrations were in the different provinces, and before 1910 in the different colonies. Before 1902 it was in the different republics and colonies. You still apply to the same place, but bear in mind that older registers are kept in the archives, and for a certificate to be written they have to be transferred from the archives to the Department of Home Affairs and then returned. This can take a long time. Also check the information above under "Birth Certificates" on how to find out if any of the marriage registers have been filemed by the LDS Church. Before about 1895 in many places marriages were only recorded in church registers. The situation is a lot more complex than described above, and the complexities are things you can ask about on the list, but the general description should give you some idea of the kind of questions that might be worth asking. WHERE CAN I FIND CHURCH RECORDS? With difficulty. There are well over 8000 separate religious denominations in South Africa, and many people change denominations 3 or more times during their lives. People move to a new town, and join a new denomination or religion, or become agnostics or atheists. The records of these denominations are all over the place too. Some of the older and larger denominations have centralised their records, but most have not. They are kept in local churches and can be damaged or destroyed by damp, acid paper or ink, insects, mice, fire or flood, or simply being tossed out in an over-zealous clean-up. Some of the smaller denominations keep very poor records. Forged marriage cer- tificates are common, especially in rural areas. If you know what denomination your ancestors were, and where they were living, when children were born or they were married, you can ask some specific questions on the SA Genealogy list like "Where are the Wesleyan Methodist Registers for Colesberg in the period 1860- 1880?" But general requests for look ups in church registers without mentioning a particular denomination, time and place are unlikely to get a useful response. WHERE CAN I FIND MILITARY RECORDS? Department of Defence DOCUMENTATION CENTRE Private Bag X289 Pretoria 0001 South Africa Tel 012-322-6350 ext 227 Fax 012-323-5613 The more info you can give the faster they can find details. They have a card index for military personnel who served in WWI and WWII. These give the service number, which can be used to find fuller service records. WHERE CAN I LOOK UP THE PHONE NUMBERS OF LIVING RELATIVES? Turn your web browser to: http://phonebook.yellowpages.co.za/ it's the on-line phone book. WHAT IF MY FAMILY WERE IN OTHER PARTS OF AFRICA? Try asking on the African Genealogy mailing list -- see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ WHAT SHOULD I DO NEXT? Go to: http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/sagen.htm and follow the links! -- This FAQ file is maintained by: Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm E-mail: hayesstw@gmail.com Last Updated: 21 March 2009 Suggestions for additions or improvements are welcome.

Hi Listers, this is my first post, hope im doing this right :) I have had much success with NAAIRS, however I have now hit a brick wall. Searching for my family is still very new to me, so any direction, will be most welcome? None of the following names can be found at NAAIRS? Peter Thomas Redmond, born in Ireland, possibly Dublin, Married Mary Thomas in Kimberley. Peter died 28th March around 1928 most likely in JHB as he lived and worked in JHB. Peter and Mary had at least one child Catherine Mary Redmond, born 8th Aug around 1918 Jospeh Redmond, grandchild of Peter and Mary above. DOB 19th Aug 1925/8, I have a note saying he died before 1949 Peter Thomas is the Father of Mary Thomas above. I can only find a record of a Peter Thomas (TAB) who died in 1921, but this is not him as this man was never married, nor did he have children. Died most likely in Cape Town, but possibly anywhere? Angela Dolorus Baptie died as a minor aged 17, Date of Death 2 Dec 1968. DOB 27th Dec around 1951. Born and died in JBH. Sheldon Cecil Baptie died in JHB between 1993 and 1998. DOB 22th Sept around 1946 Anthony David Baptie died in JHB 15th April 1993. DOB 6th May around 1954 Daphne Baptie DOB 26th May around 1935, son David Joseph Baptie, DOB 30th Jan around 1958 Guiseppe Baptie Florence Baptie Parents of Joseph Cecil Baptie. I got parents names from Joseph's death notice. Joseph was born in Natal, so his parents possibly died in Natal. Guiseppe and Florenece also children, Kennie, Gilbert and Kay. I am really not sure if anyone can help me, however I would appreciate any assistance or direction in this matter. At what point does one use a professional researcher and who does one use? Thankyou Kindly Tania

Obituary of William SARGEANT William SARGEANT, who was born at Salem in 1820. His parents were Wesleyan Methodists and truly devoted Christians who trainedtheir children for God. He was converted in early life and was received as a probationer for the Ministry in 1844. His first circuit was Port Elizabeth as assistant to the Rev. John RICHARDS, who directed his studies and rendered him much valuable help. He subsequently travelled in some of the principal circuits (English and Native) of the Graham's Town District. In 1853 he was appointed to form the mission station of Annshaw, which has since developed into one of our largest and most prosperous missions. Here he remained five years, and in 1879 returned to this station for another term of six years'devoted and successful service. In 1886 he was appointed to Somerset West, where his work was chiefly among the Dutch speaking population. Although advanced in years at the time of his appointment he speedily acquired the language and was soon able to preach in it with the clearness and effectiveness which had always characterised his preaching in English and Kafir. Here for nearly ten years he laboured with his accustomed devotion and zeal, and here he almost literally ceased at once to work and live. Throughout his long life he was a most diligent and systematic student, and an extensive reader, especially in Theology and Church History. His sermons were carefully prepared, were thoughtful, experimental and practical to a marked degree, and were instructive and profitable both in English and Native congregations. His spirit was devout, and his piety consistent and ardent. He was a man of blameless character, and as a pastor was greatly esteemed and beloved. Last year his health, hitherto uniformly robust, began to fail, and at the District Synod in January of the present year he signified his decision to ask permission of the ensuing Conference to become a Supernumerary. Since then his health declined rapidly, and he was only able to occupy the pulpit on a single occasion. The end came unexpectedly to his friends. During the last six days of his illness he suffered much, but bore the chastening hand of the Lord with patience and resignation. His mind was kept in perfect peace, stayed upon God. He died as he had lived, strong in faith, giving glory to God, in the 75th year of his age and the fifty-first of his ministry. >From Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Church 1896 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764

Hi All Obituary of George CHAPMAN George CHAPMAN, who was born at Alvaston near Derby, England, on the 26th December, 1817. His mother died when he was a child; but his eldest sister was a devoted Christian, andthrough her instrumentality he was led to Christ. He joined the Wesleyan Church in 1834, and was accepted as a Candidate for the Ministry in 1842, his first appointment being to the Gold Coast, West Africa, which he reached in January, 1843. Removing to Coomassie the same year, he returned to England in 1845. He suffered severely from the effects of the climate and was often brought to the verge of the grave, but again and again he was raised up. At the close of his three years'service he reached England in broken health and with an enfeebled frame. His labours had, however, not been in vain, for on one occasion he had, humanly speaking, saved the country from being deluged in blood, by acting as mediator between the King and the British Government; and upon another, preventing the sacrifice of 400 persons to the caprice of a despotic king. On his return he spent two years in mission work in England, visiting most of the chief towns, and interesting large audiences with the story of his work. At the expiration of two years, Mr. CHAPMAN was appointed to Boulogne, France. Here he and his young wife spent two years amidst scenes of revolution and insurrection, but marked by gracious displays of God's goodness in conversion of sinners. In 1849 he was appointed to Graham's Town, South Africa, where he spent three happy and useful years. He afterwards laboured in King William's Town, Queen's Town, Fort Peddie, Cradock, Somerset East, Fort Beaufort and Heald Town. In 1877 he paid a visit to England, and soon after his return he took up his residence again at Heald Town, where he remained faithfully doing work that would have taxed the powers of a much younger man, until failing health compelled him to become a Supernumerary. At the first South African Conference he was put down for Lessyton, where he and Mrs. CHAPMAN commenced a Training Institution for native girls,Mr. CHAPMAN undertaking, at the same time, the training of five or six Native Ministers. The Institution proved a marked success and the great day alone will declare all that he did during these few years of failing health. In 1889 he was seized with partial paralysis of the brain, from which he never recovered. He removed to Queen's Town and lingered for four years, awaiting the Master's call to "come up higher." His last words were "Praise and Thanks."On the 9th July, 1893, he quietly passed away, without a struggle or a sigh, to enter into the presence of his Lord. Mr. CHAPMAN was a man of unblemished integrity and singleness of purpose, fully devoted to Christ and the work of a Methodist preacher; a pattern of conscientious attention to every duty, great and small. His life and work have proved a benediction to our Church in this country. >From Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Church Conference 1894 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764 __._,_.___

Hi All Obituary of Purdon SMAILES Purdon SMAILES, of whose early life but little is known. He was born at Hull in the year 1809, and having received a good education, became engaged in the work of teaching the young. In this capacity he came to South Africa in 1834, and, after a brief period in the Cape District, was appointed to the Fort Beaufort School, where, as later at Uitenhage and Graham's Town, he filled the dual office of Teacher and Preacher. In 1842 he was appointed Headmaster of the Grammar School at Graham's Town, where he entered the Ministry the following year. During an extended Ministry, Mr. SMAILES laboured in several important circuits, more than one-third of his term of active service having been spent in Colesberg, where he is held in affectionate remembrance. He was richly endowed with mental gifts, and, being a diligent student, he was able to acquire a sound knowledge of the Biblical and Classical languages, the higher mathematics, and some branches of natural science. Of earnest piety and a devoted student of God's Word, his preaching was marked by breadth and depth of thought, terseness of expression and deep pathos. He had great power of commending himself to men's consciences in the sight of God, and was able to rejoice in seeing many brought to salvation under his ministry. As a pastor, he was conscientiously devoted to his flock, especially to the sick and wayward. In 1880 Mr. SMAILES became a Supernumerary, and for some years enjoyed the rest he so well earned. The toil of a lifetime, however, resulted in a painful shadow which overcast the eventide of his life. During this period of "feebleness extreme" his trust in God and lively apprehension of the Divine goodness remained unshaken. Shortly before his death, one repeated to him the Psalmist's words, "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life," and he completed the quotation, saying with great animation and joy, "And I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever."He died at Jagersfontein Road, Sept. 17th, 1892, in the 83rd year of his age and the 49th of his Ministry. >From Minutes of the Wesleyan Methodist Church Conference 1893 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright

Following the newspaper article in The Star of 7 Sep 2011 on the Chief Master of the High Court's new online system for estates and trusts, I went to the website and found it a gold mine. It looks like estates from about 2008 are shown on the site.. There is public access, but you have to register first. The link is https://icmsweb.justice.gov.za/mastersinformation Regards Straffen Short ssshort@mweb.co.za Researching Honiball, Watermeyer and Liversage

Good afternoon everyone I am looking for any information on Lilias Jones, born circa 1903, parents Henry John and Henrietta Maria, both immigrants from the UK. Another daughter, Florence Jones was born a litlle later, same place. If anyone is interested I can supply a picture of three sisters, 2 immigrant and one locally born. The picture was taken by J. E. Middlebrook of Durban. Hopefully Dick Harding

Good Morning, A Ectopic pregnancy is in the tube so it does not grow very big before the tube ruptures, these babies are never viable so do not get buried. It is unfortunate they are discarded as tissue. Hope that helps. Regards Pam Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-request@rootsweb.com Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 01:01:02 To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 247 Today's Topics: 1. I have to ask the Question [!!!] (Bart Simon) 2. Re: I have to ask the Question [!!!] (Dorri Roughley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:26:07 +0200 From: "Bart Simon" <thewanderer@iburst.co.za> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] I have to ask the Question [!!!] To: "RW RSA" <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9D6BD67F3ED54363A97EFDAED71B30CC@BSPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mye Goodye Cosynes !!! If a woman dies at child birth with the child from a 'Ruptured ectopic', say in 1940 in Rhodesia, in a main hospital there, and I clearly do not know if the child was actually born or removed from the mother, what happens to the child or foetus ?. I have only the grave of the mother, so I suppose the mother and child are buried together, the child still inside the mother ?. Do you think that would be the case ?. Yours Sincerely, Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95) ===================================== ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:41:56 +0100 From: Dorri Roughley <dorri_roughley@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] I have to ask the Question [!!!] To: <thewanderer@iburst.co.za>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <COL112-W2F453812C43E9442AA7E6B81F0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Ken, An ectopic pregnancy means that the baby has implanted in the tubes from the ova to the womb. In the old days once the baby had 'outgrown' its home the tube would bust and the poor mother could then bleed to death. This would usually happen in early pregnancy and in some cases this would happen before the mother realised she was pregnant. So the answer is that it is probable that the foetus was still inside the mother or regretfully part of the debris if they had tried to operate to save the mother. Today when an ectopic pregnancy is discovered then the mother would have to have an operation to remove the foetus and often the tube, hopefully before it busts. Still a mega peril of pregnancy. Best Wishes, Dorri ---------------------------------------- > From: thewanderer@iburst.co.za > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:26:07 +0200 > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] I have to ask the Question [!!!] > > Mye Goodye Cosynes !!! > > If a woman dies at child birth with the child from a 'Ruptured ectopic', say > in 1940 in Rhodesia, in a main hospital there, and I clearly do not know if > the child was actually born or removed from the mother, what happens to the > child or foetus ?. I have only the grave of the mother, so I suppose the > mother and child are buried together, the child still inside the mother ?. > Do you think that would be the case ?. > > Yours Sincerely, > Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95) > ===================================== > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 247 ********************************************

I am looking for any information as to where this person might have been born. She d:1940 Bulawayo ZIM. - S.K.M. - [!!!] =============

Hello Ken, An ectopic pregnancy means that the baby has implanted in the tubes from the ova to the womb. In the old days once the baby had 'outgrown' its home the tube would bust and the poor mother could then bleed to death. This would usually happen in early pregnancy and in some cases this would happen before the mother realised she was pregnant. So the answer is that it is probable that the foetus was still inside the mother or regretfully part of the debris if they had tried to operate to save the mother. Today when an ectopic pregnancy is discovered then the mother would have to have an operation to remove the foetus and often the tube, hopefully before it busts. Still a mega peril of pregnancy. Best Wishes, Dorri ---------------------------------------- > From: thewanderer@iburst.co.za > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:26:07 +0200 > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] I have to ask the Question [!!!] > > Mye Goodye Cosynes !!! > > If a woman dies at child birth with the child from a 'Ruptured ectopic', say > in 1940 in Rhodesia, in a main hospital there, and I clearly do not know if > the child was actually born or removed from the mother, what happens to the > child or foetus ?. I have only the grave of the mother, so I suppose the > mother and child are buried together, the child still inside the mother ?. > Do you think that would be the case ?. > > Yours Sincerely, > Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95) > ===================================== > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mye Goodye Cosynes !!! If a woman dies at child birth with the child from a 'Ruptured ectopic', say in 1940 in Rhodesia, in a main hospital there, and I clearly do not know if the child was actually born or removed from the mother, what happens to the child or foetus ?. I have only the grave of the mother, so I suppose the mother and child are buried together, the child still inside the mother ?. Do you think that would be the case ?. Yours Sincerely, Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95) =====================================

I am looking for more information on my grandmother's sister. She was Wilhelmina Isabella (Babs) SEALE (maiden name: MYNHARDT, formerly: SMITH). I know she was born on 25 February, but I don't know what year. Her first husband was killed in WW2. She remarried - Garrow SEALE (not sure of the spelling). I know they lived on a farm in the Alexandria District (Eastern Cape). I would like to know when she passed away and would also like to obtain more information on her spouse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to http://www.exxaro.com/content/main/disclaimer.asp for important disclaimers.