Here is his gravestone. http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1463486&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 I had never heard the term "balju" before today. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:46:27 PM EDT From: "Johann H Claassen" <johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. Beste wense Johann -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM To: SA List Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is given as "Balju". Has anyone come across this as an official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? Best wishes, Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All, I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, places, occupations etc). Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, England Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to these baptism records cropped up. Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any UK look-ups that may be required. Best regards, Rebecca

My 'Woordeboek' certainly didn't have that.....thank you very much. Here in the U.K. it's a little more difficult to unravel Afrikaans expressions and words which do not appear in my woordeboek! Best wishes, Tombi -----Original Message----- From: Johann H Claassen <johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:43 Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. este wense ohann aarl (gestig 1687) CLAASSEN(sedert 1720)/CRONJE/DYER/JAMES/POZYN/ROSE/VICTOR/WAGENAAR/WATERSON https://www.facebook.com/#!/johann.h.claassen We all grow up with the weight of history on us. Our ancestors dwell in the ttics of our brains as they do in the spiraling chains of knowledge hidden n every cell of our bodies. ~ Shirley Abbott e-pos adres: johann.claassen@telkomsa.net ----Original Message----- rom: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes ent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM o: SA List ubject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation s iven as "Balju". (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an fficial term in their research? What is the origin of the word? Best wishes, Keith ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is given as "Balju". (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? Best wishes, Keith

Dear Listers Is anyone able to recommend a good lawyer based in Gauteng (preferably in Johannesburg or Pretoria), who could undertake a case for a Pensioner living in Cape Town, who has,with my help, located some of the details about her biological father who was adopted in 1928, and the full details of the case are lodged in the relevant file in the Registrar of Adoptions Office in Pretoria? Despite all our efforts over an extended period, they refuse to allow her to see this file or to access it in any way, which is illegal as far as I am concerned, and infringes her Human Rights anyway. They merely confirm that they have his file, but will not allow her to proceed any further. The result of this is that the only way we see now of proceeding any further is to legally compel them to reverse their refusal to release this information to her. She is not a young person and is very anxious to find out about her father, particularly as she is not in the best of health. Please reply to me via my direct e-mail address below, if you are able to help in any way. With thanks. Graham Lloyd, Cape Town. Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] 2 Constantia Court River's End Road Plumstead 7800 Cape Town South Africa Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to dance in the rain

Hi All Obituary of Richard RIDGILL Richard RIDGILL, who was born in England, came to this Colony in 1842 with a view to entering upon a commercial career. Soon after his arrival in Cape Town he became the subject of deep religious impressions, which in a short time led to his sound conversation, and to his resolving to devote his life and talents to the service of God and His Church. Without any delay he began to call sinners to repentance, and earnestly devoted himself to the study of theology, making such progress and giving such promise of future usefulness that he was encouraged to offer himself for the work of the Ministry, and was, at the recommendation of the Cape District Synod, received as a Probationer by the Conference of 1843, and appointed to the Cape Town Circuit, where he laboured until 1848 with much acceptance - his ministry being characterised by zeal, fervour and ability. >From the first Mr. RIDGILL showed great interest in the Mission work among the Dutch-speaking people, and diligently studied their language, soon becoming a fluent, correct and elegant speaker of it. With the exception of one year subsequent to 1848, his long ministry was devoted to the Dutch work, Somerset West, Nisbet Bath, Stellenbosch, Wynberg, Cape Town (Dutch), Mowbray and Diep River being for lengthened periods under his superintendency. At Somerset West, Stellenbosch and in Cape Town he raised commodious Churches, and in all the Circuits to which he was appointed cared for and improved the properties under his charge. He was for many years in succession the Secretary of the Cape Hope District, and after the death of Rev. Samuel HARDEY succeeded to the office of Chairman and General Superintendant, which he held until 1893, when the Rev. J THOMPSON, M.A., as President of the Conference became ex-officio the Chairman. In 1885 he was elected to be the President of the South African Conference, discharging the duties of that high office with the dignity, urbanity and efficiency which were natural to him. Throughout his career he rendered many valuable services to the Wesleyan Methodist Church in South Africa, especially to the Missionary Department of it. Among others should be particularly mentioned the compilation of the Dutch Hymn Book, which has been in use for nearly fifty years. Many of the hymns it contains were translated by him from Wesley's hymns, and are rendered in a style marked by petic taste and genius, and sympathy with the spiritual fervour of the originals of this book; he lived to edit seven editions. Mr. RIDGILL possessed a manly physique, and in his younger days was a noble specimen of manly vigour and strength. He had received a liberal education, and was well versed in English literature. He had great capacity for business, but his modest and retiring disposition led him to shrink from positions which he was well qualified to fill, and in which his influence and powers might have been more extensively exercised than they were in the comparatively retired spheres which he found most congenial. His gifts as a preacher and public speaker were of a high order. His preaching was characterised by striking simplicity of language and purity of style, and by the prominence it gave to evangelical truth. He often remarked that he never cared to preach or hear a sermon by which a sinner could not learn of the love of the Saviour and how to find him. For some years before his retirement he worked in growing weakness, and it cost him much sorrow to have to cease from his labours. The last few years of his life were spent in almost complete seclusion, amid much suffering from debility and distressing ailments, and the grief of a sore bereavement, which he bore with uncomplaining patience and resignation. After a few days of semi-consciousness but acute suffering his release came, and he passed away to meet his Lord on 14th December,1898, in the seventy eighth year of his age and fifty-fifth of his ministry. From: Minutes of Conference of Wesleyan Methodist Church 1899 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764

On 20 Aug 2011, at 8:26 PM, Brian & Fay Lea wrote: > Joy, what a clever person you are! Thank you for this tip, I will > share it > with our geriatric computer club, who are always battling with UK > pound > signs etc! > > Cheers Fay With the increasing number of Mac users in SA, it might be worthwhile pursuing the subject of a Mac equivalent. I am running a second-hand upright Mac (in succession to an old hemispheric iMac), and have stayed on an OS that is also a few years old, because of fears about some of the new systems that Mac are continually introducing (obviously they have found it pays to emulate the Wintel world in this respect, but it's driving me nuts!). My iMac had a small app called Keycode, which enabled one to make just about every symbol known to computers without bothering about symbol numbers and so forth. Of course, they have since dropped it, but fortunately I had made a text copy of the full set, and keep it as a reference paper on my desk. It has columns for keyboard key, Shift, Option and Option Shift, and rows for every character key (47 in total), and in 12 pt Palatino it fits quite easily on an A5 sheet of paper. Although Macs no longer provide Keycode, it does still work, and while the character-set remains the same I think it still will; it contains all sorts of useful mathematical symbols, as well as the diacriticals used in many European languages (but not those used solely in Vietnamese and other French-influenced Asian languages that use Roman type). Any Mac user with an old machine lying around can do likewise, and pass it on to other Mac users on the list. Any who can't take that approach can contact me off-line, but it will be difficult for me as I'd have a scan it, and my only hard copy is on Old Gold paper (to make it easier to find on my desk), and Old Gold is as hard to scan as it is to photocopy. But I'll do my best. Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com

It is NOT necessary to download the Key Codes app because its function is already installed in your operating system. For full information about alt-codes on PC and Mac visit: http://alt-codes.org/ and http://text-symbols.com/charmap/ There are some unusual ☮ symbols ☯ at http://facebook-symbols.com/ If it makes you happy °◡° you can download the App for Key Codes for your PC or Mac at: http://manytricks.com/keycodes/ Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Rodger [mailto:rodgera@audioio.com] Sent: 21 September 2011 04:47 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] symbols in SA genealogies (Sonia van Heerden) On 20 Aug 2011, at 8:26 PM, Brian & Fay Lea wrote: > Joy, what a clever person you are! Thank you for this tip, I will > share it > with our geriatric computer club, who are always battling with UK > pound > signs etc! > > Cheers Fay With the increasing number of Mac users in SA, it might be worthwhile pursuing the subject of a Mac equivalent. I am running a second-hand upright Mac (in succession to an old hemispheric iMac), and have stayed on an OS that is also a few years old, because of fears about some of the new systems that Mac are continually introducing (obviously they have found it pays to emulate the Wintel world in this respect, but it's driving me nuts!). My iMac had a small app called Keycode, which enabled one to make just about every symbol known to computers without bothering about symbol numbers and so forth. Of course, they have since dropped it, but fortunately I had made a text copy of the full set, and keep it as a reference paper on my desk. It has columns for keyboard key, Shift, Option and Option Shift, and rows for every character key (47 in total), and in 12 pt Palatino it fits quite easily on an A5 sheet of paper. Although Macs no longer provide Keycode, it does still work, and while the character-set remains the same I think it still will; it contains all sorts of useful mathematical symbols, as well as the diacriticals used in many European languages (but not those used solely in Vietnamese and other French-influenced Asian languages that use Roman type). Any Mac user with an old machine lying around can do likewise, and pass it on to other Mac users on the list. Any who can't take that approach can contact me off-line, but it will be difficult for me as I'd have a scan it, and my only hard copy is on Old Gold paper (to make it easier to find on my desk), and Old Gold is as hard to scan as it is to photocopy. But I'll do my best. Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning I am looking for descendants of John Atkinson. Born Messina 1918 served in the RAF as a pilot and died in Feb 1942 If you can assist please contact me on petro-aut@zol.co.zw Thanks Charlie

Hi Mark, According to Shelagh O'Byrne Spencer in British Settlers in Natal, Volume 4, Christopher Alfred CATO was married first to Elizabeth Jane BADGER on 12 March 1875, and second to Ellen Sarah BROOMHEAD (widow) on 30 April 1898. She says his first wife died in 1882, as a result of her night-dress catching fire. She does not mention any of his children. Regards, Ellen Stanton -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hattam Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:38 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] HATTAM - CATO Thank you, Richard, for the link to this resource. There's one gravestone that especially interests me ... William John Hattam at St John's Anglican Church, Mooi River, Kwazulu-Natal. What I'm curious about is the third person on the gravestone ... Mabel Pearl Cato 1879-1971 I can see Christopher Alfred Cato marrying Elizabeth Jane Badger, Elizabeth Jane Cato (1843-1892) is buried in the same churchyard. They had apparently two daughters, Florence Hilda (who later married Alfred Charles Burger) & Mabel Pearl ... based on interpreting results from the South African National Archives site. But I'm still failing to find a connection between HATTAM and CATO ... apart from the inscription on the gravestone. Does anyone have any insight? Mark Hattam --

Thank you, Richard, for the link to this resource. There's one gravestone that especially interests me ... William John Hattam at St John's Anglican Church, Mooi River, Kwazulu-Natal. He was born 22 March 1870 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, married Janie Hocking 10 Feb 1892 in St Just, and died 7 May 1905 at Mooi River. Their children (that I know of) Loveday Jane ... 1892 St Just Florence May ... 1995 Fordsburg, Johannesburg Annie ... 1897 St Just Miriam Emmeline ... ?? Iris ... 1904 (also on the same gravestone died 1905 aged 12 months) What I'm curious about is the third person on the gravestone ... Mabel Pearl Cato 1879-1971 I can't see a HATTAM-CATO marriage, nor a HOCKING connection either. (Janie went on to marry Richard Penberthy and later Sigismund Rudolph James Maynard.) I can see Christopher Alfred Cato marrying Elizabeth Jane Badger, Elizabeth Jane Cato (1843-1892) is buried in the same churchyard. They had apparently two daughters, Florence Hilda (who later married Alfred Charles Burger) & Mabel Pearl ... based on interpreting results from the South African National Archives site. But I'm still failing to find a connection between HATTAM and CATO ... apart from the inscription on the gravestone. Does anyone have any insight? Mark Hattam -- On 18 Sep 2011, at 09:22, Richard Ball wrote: > The collection of South African gravestone photographs has now topped > 350,000. That is over 80,000 pictures added so far this year - > all pictures contributed, captioned and indexed by volunteers: > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=43 > > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England

The first part of the Genealogical Society of South Africa's new web site to go live are two picture collections: Funeral programs: http://www.genealogy.org.za/biblio/ Church photographs: http://www.genza.org.za/bonus/main.php?g2_itemId=12 Contributions will be gladly received by the co-ordinator of both projects: Hobbie Stoffberg bbggsa@gmail.com ------- Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.eggsa.org

The collection of South African gravestone photographs has now topped 350,000. That is over 80,000 pictures added so far this year - all pictures contributed, captioned and indexed by volunteers: http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=43 Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.eggsa.org

Hi All Obituary of Samuel Evans ROWE Samuel Evans ROWE was born at Midsomer Norton, in Somersetshire, on Sept. 2nd, 1834. He was the son of the Rev. Samuel ROWE, and was educated at Woodhouse Grove. After a few years, spent partly in business and partly in teaching, he began to preach. In 1857, he was accepted as a candidate for the ministry and entered Didsbury College, but had to leave almost immediately to take his first appointment. Possessed of mental powers of no ordinary kind, he rapidly rose to a position of his rank in the ministry. He travelled in several important circuits in England. After he had been Secretary of the Cornwall District for three years, he was, in 1874, appointed Chairman of the Exeter District. When at Clapton, he was requested by the Missionary Committee to go to South Africa. The call was responded to; and, in 1880, he was appointed to Pietermaritzburg, where he laboured for thirteen years with much acceptance. Later, he spent two years in Native work; and , in 1895, was appointed to the Harrismith English Circuit. In 1886, he was elected Chairman of the Natal District, which position he occupied till 1895. In 1890, he was President of the South African Conference. In 1896, he received permission to visit England for a year, and was appointed one of the Representatives of the South African Conference to the Yearly Conference, at which he was elected a member of the Legal Hundred, an honour which he was permitted to enjoy for a very brief period. As a preacher, he possessed the expository gift in a very high degree, was a lucid reasoned, and was exact in the choice of words. His sermons, delivered without notes, were evangelical, full of point, suggestiveness and originality, and were often attended with mighty spiritual power. As superintendent of a Circuit, he was judicious and capable. As a pastor, he was tender and sympathetic, especially in cases of sickness and bereavement. As a colleque, he was frank and brotherly. As a friend, he was pre-eminently faithful. In the official positions to which he was appointed from time to time, he justified the choice of the Conference, by the manner in which he performed his work. As President, he discharged the duties devolving upon him with great ability. As Chairman, he was faithful, impartial and kind, he was highly esteemed and trusted, and had the joy of seeing the district flourish during his term of office. He took a great interest in the Native work, and was regarded with affection and confidence by the Native people. Throughout the whole district his loss was sincerely regretted, and most of all by those who knew him best. He took a leading part in the legislation and general business of the South African Conference, and was one of its first Assistant Secretaries. His intimate knowledge of the laws and usages of Methodism in England enabled him to render in various ways invaluable service. His death came unexpectedly. Whilst returning to resume his labours in this country, he was seized with paralysis, on the 2nd July; and, two days later, when still on board the s.s. "Tantallon Castle," which was lying at Algoa Bay, he fell on sleep, in the sixty-third year of his age, and the fortieth of his ministry. From; Minutes of the Sixteenth Conference of the Wesleyan Methodist Church of SA, 1898 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764

Hi All Obituary of George A. THEOBALD George A. THEOBALD, who was born in England, in 1859. His parents were Congregationalists, and were truly devoted Christians, whose great desirewas to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. He was led, through the influences of a friend, to attend Methodist services, and a deep impression was made by the Spirit of God upon his mind and heart, so that very shortly he decided for Christ, and joined himself to the Methodist Church, in which he had found the blessings of pardon and peace. After a period of service as a local preacher, he offered himself for the Ministry, and, after a course of training at Richmond College, he came to this country in 1882, and laboured with great acceptance in the Circuits of Simon's Town. Kimberley, Pietermaritzburg and East London. At the Conference of 1896, he was appointed to Bloemfontein, to succeed the Rev. James SCOTT. It was a trying position for so young a man. The situation was one fraught with singular difficulties; but he faced it bravely, and acted in all things with admirable prudence, so that by the blessing of God the Church continued to prosper. He was a brother dearly loved by all classes of the community, and particularly by his brethren in the ministry. As a preacher he was a faithful expositor of the Word of God. His sermons, which revealed careful study, were frequently attended with peculiar force and function. His pastorial visitation was all that a Methodist preacher's visitation should be. He dealt faithfully with his people, and continually aimed at making his intercourse with them in their homes a means of grace to the family circle. He was a holy man, and the peculiar sanctity of his spirit shone out in all that he said and did. He believed in fervent prayer, and was frequently heard agonising in supplication for those in sorrow; and, with a pure unselfishness, never wearied in endeavouring to lighten the burdens of those in distress. He was a man of blameless character, his beautiful life being an incentive to many to be more fully consecrated to God. His last illness was very brief, and until a few days before his death no thought of a fatal termination presented itself except to his own mind. He, however, frequently spoke of the nearness of the end, and of the Divine preparation he felt he was undergoing for the great change which was soon to come. His mind was full of the things of God; and even in delirium he spoke of little else. He was filled with perfect peace; and, rejoicing in the fullness of the grace imparted to him, he fell asleep, at Bloemfontein, on the 11th of June, 1897, in the thirty-eighth year of his age and the fifteenth year of his ministry. From; Minutes of the Sixteenth Conference of the Wesleyan Methodist Church of SA, 1898 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764

Hi All Obituary of Henry Hare DUGMORE Henry Hare DUGMORE, who was born in Birmingham, on the 27th of April, 1810. Whilst a child he came to South Africa with his parents, who formed part of the company of British settlers of 1820, under the pastral care of the Rev. William SHAW. He was converted to God on New Year's Day, 1831, and entered the ministry three years afterwards. His first appointment was to the Mount Coke Mission Station; but, owing to the Kafir war of 1835, he was soon compelled to leave. It was during his stay at Mount Coke that he mastered the Kafir language, being able to preach in it within six months after his arrival. The almost perfect command which he obtained of the language made his sermons a means of profit and delight to his hearers, whilst it enabled him to render undying service to our mission work in this country, by the translation of the Psalms and Gospels, besides a great part of the Prayer Book. His poetic gifts were called into exercise in the production of over one hundred Kafir Hyms, which form more than one third of our Hymn Book. He laboured in some of the principal Circuits of the Graham's Town and Queen's Town Districts, his active ministry extending over a period of forty-two years, including two visits to England. In all his circuits he was honoured and revered; and his preaching, which was of a very high order, was made a means of profit and blessing to hundreds. At the same time, he took a keen interest in everything that related to the moral and social welfare of the people generally, giving freely of his time, service and money for the promotion of every good cause, as well as for the advancement of the interests of our Church. For the time of his conversion he became a great reader, and continued to delight in books to the close of his long life. He began the study of German after he was seventy years of age. His reading was wide, embracing many of the best works in Theology, Philosophy, Metaphysics and History; and his memory, being remarkably attentive, enabled him to retain much of what he read. He was also a great lover of music, for which he displayed quite a genius, and his acquaintance with the works of the great composers was remarkable. As a preacher, he was wonderfully clear in his expositions of Divine truth, setting forth the great doctrines of Scripture in all their fullness and saving power, whilst the spiritual influence that often accompanied his ministry can never be forgotten by those who attended the services. Nor were his prayers less noteworthy, as numbers who have been melted and uplifted by them have testified. In 1876, he became a Supernumerary, and took up his residence in Queen's Town, which henceforth became his home until his death, which took place on the 14th of June, 1897, in his eighty-eighth year. Up to within a year or two of the end, he contained to preach and visit the people, especially the sick and troubled. And even after he became blind he conducted public services, repeating from memory the hymns and Scripture lessons. For many years he suffered much from an internal disorder, but during the last month of his life, though very feeble, he was almost free from pain. All fear of death was removed, and at times his soul was filled with anticipation of the glory awaiting him, and of the near prospect of being with Christ. He was at all times penetrated with a profound sense of God's holiness, and of the imperfections of his own life. His only plan was the finished work of the Redeemer. After lingering for some time in extreme weakness, he gradually sank into unconsciousness until mortality was swallowed up of life. From; Minutes of the Sixteenth Conference of the Wesleyan Methodist Church of SA, 1898 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764

Many thanks again. The latest photo I have of her is from 1964! Best wishes, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Michele Cocker Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 1:33 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cockram Hi Ian Not sure if you're interested - She's on our reunion Website: http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/kmandzoo/ Seventh person, second teacher from the right in the front row! Best of luck - hope you get in touch again sometime! Regards Michele

Hi Ian Not sure if you're interested - She's on our reunion Website: http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/kmandzoo/ Seventh person, second teacher from the right in the front row! Best of luck - hope you get in touch again sometime! Regards Michele -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thirlwell Sent: 16 September 2011 14:22 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cockram Thanks Michele. Gill's grandparents were my great aunt and uncle, but we lost touch with the family some years ago. Best wishes, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Michele Cocker Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:45 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cockram Ian Well I'm trying to organise a reunion at the moment and dealing with the ROGU has been an utterly fruitless exercise. There has been a recent changing of the guard so if you try the hotmail account and for Jane Hofmeyer's attention - you may have some better luck. But you may also have to send them your contact details and hope that she will respond - some people can be concerned about giving out details to complete strangers. Otherwise - email/phone the school and explain your intensions - maybe someone might try to be helpful. Maybe even try the old fashioned method and write a letter. It's fairly clear that she is still very much involved with activities relating to the school. I know she used to live in a flat near the school and used to walk there when I was at the school but the white pages isn't turning anything up. I really wish I could be more help. Regards Michele ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ian Well I'm trying to organise a reunion at the moment and dealing with the ROGU has been an utterly fruitless exercise. There has been a recent changing of the guard so if you try the hotmail account and for Jane Hofmeyer's attention - you may have some better luck. But you may also have to send them your contact details and hope that she will respond - some people can be concerned about giving out details to complete strangers. Otherwise - email/phone the school and explain your intensions - maybe someone might try to be helpful. Maybe even try the old fashioned method and write a letter. It's fairly clear that she is still very much involved with activities relating to the school. I know she used to live in a flat near the school and used to walk there when I was at the school but the white pages isn't turning anything up. I really wish I could be more help. Regards Michele -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thirlwell Sent: 16 September 2011 13:05 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cockram Hi Michele, many thanks for the fast response. I found the ROGU newsletters on the 'net when I Googled Gill's name. That's how I discovered that she had taught there. I did try emailing a contact address some while ago but got no response. Ian (in UK) -----Original Message----- From: Michele Cocker Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:40 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cockram Hi Ian Gill Cockram is referred to in the latest newsletter. Have a look on the Website : http://www.rgjs.co.za/ROGU/main.htm The Rustenburg Old Girls Union Newsletters are done by Mary Rose Berrisford She can be reached on mberrisford@xsinet.co.za But be warned - nothing happens in a hurry - I get relies up to 2 weeks later. The ROGU itself uses this email address : rogu2000@hotmail.com and the response there is not much better. There is no telephone number for the Old Girls Union. Its possible the school might be more helpful. I don't belong to the ROGU myself, so I can't do much better myself Maybe someone on the forum has better contacts in this regard Regards Michele ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Michele. Gill's grandparents were my great aunt and uncle, but we lost touch with the family some years ago. Best wishes, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Michele Cocker Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:45 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Cockram Ian Well I'm trying to organise a reunion at the moment and dealing with the ROGU has been an utterly fruitless exercise. There has been a recent changing of the guard so if you try the hotmail account and for Jane Hofmeyer's attention - you may have some better luck. But you may also have to send them your contact details and hope that she will respond - some people can be concerned about giving out details to complete strangers. Otherwise - email/phone the school and explain your intensions - maybe someone might try to be helpful. Maybe even try the old fashioned method and write a letter. It's fairly clear that she is still very much involved with activities relating to the school. I know she used to live in a flat near the school and used to walk there when I was at the school but the white pages isn't turning anything up. I really wish I could be more help. Regards Michele