Hi All There is a gentleman researching the RUSSELL family and I do not know if he is on any lists but I would like to get hold of him if possible.Does anyone have a email or contact address for me please. Trying to break a wall down here Regards Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764

Hi Darryl If you check the rootsweb list archives you will find over 6500 posts for the keywords RUSSELL South Africa , have you explored some of those, perhaps adding more keywords known to you which may narrow it down a fair bit http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Select Mailing lists from the top bar menu and use keywords in the upper search box Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS it is always best to post to lists individually as cross posting can cause unneccesary problems for list Admins *Other list addresses deleted* > Hi All > > There is a gentleman researching the RUSSELL family and I do not know if he > is on any lists but I would like to get hold of him if possible.Does anyone > have a email or contact address for me please. Trying to break a wall down > here > > Regards > > Darryl Allwright

Hi Johan, That's a very kind offer. I have just sent you a message off-list. Best wishes, Rebecca On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Johan Venter wrote: > Hi Rebecca, > > I am in Kimberley. Let me know exactly what you need, and I will have a look for you at St Cyprian's, and also at Kimberley's Africana Library, which is a gold mine of information on just about anybody who has ever set foot in Kimberley. > > Feel free to contact me off-list at johannv69@ovi.com > > Johan Venter. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most Interesting. Thank you Take care, June Harris Reach for the Stars! -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colin Pretorius Sent: 25 September 2011 08:27 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU Hi Keith The Dutch version is baljuw, but it is a term which has had many variant spellings over the ages: Bailluw, Baliow, Ballif. The linkage to the English term Bailiff can be clearly seen in these variants. A charter granted to the people of Holland on 26.05.1480 by Duke Maximilian notes in article 9 that [Van Leeuwen] "..no baljuw, schout, nor dikereeve, within the towns or villages, shall administer justice except in a public court... " (Source: see 1 below, Van Leeuwen p 353) The baljuw used also to enjoy 1/3 of all forfeitures occurring in their districts in all corporal and criminal cases; and for the other two-thirds they were obliged to account to the Count. (Van Leeuwen, p354) There was also a "Court of Baljuw and well-born men" - the Hooge Vierskaar. The South African Legal Dictionary, quoting Van Leeuwen, makes reference to a Baljuw (or Aesge) in early Frisian law too. (SALD, p 2) Jan Matthyse's Rechtboek v.d. Briel, written in abt 1400, also makes reference to the office of Baljuw. With respect to the word's "ancestry": Baljuw is most probably derived from the Old French Bailie, which in turn is derived from medieval Latin bajulus. Bajulus was i.a. the term for someone who bears burdens, also a letter-bearer (SALD, 60-61) Sources: 1. Van Leeuwen's Commentaries on Roman Dutch Law, Volume 2, translated from the original by JG Kotze (appellate div judge) [Van Leeuwen] 2. South African Legal dictionary, WH Somerset Bell [SALD] Regards Colin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just started research on the following families - any info, suggestions and/or help would be much appreciated Thanks Marcella Shames DeJAGER Bartholomeus>Bartholomew Johannes Felix b abt 1863 Netherlands married 1905 DE KONING Johanna Hubertina TURNER Walter b abt 1906 South Africa or Australia married Florence ? Came to SA as an orphan in 1917 ship may have been Osterley/Osterkey??

Hi Rebecca, I am in Kimberley. Let me know exactly what you need, and I will have a look for you at St Cyprian's, and also at Kimberley's Africana Library, which is a gold mine of information on just about anybody who has ever set foot in Kimberley. Feel free to contact me off-list at johannv69@ovi.com Johan Venter.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 01:06:30PM -0400, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Interesting, thank you. > > It is a very odd word (I think). I'd like to learn the origin. > > Google translate (Afrikaans to English) does give it as Sheriff. It does not > recognize Balju as a Dutch word. > Balju is indeed Afrikaans for Sheriff or Bailiff The Dutch word is Baljuw, but is currently just a historical term in Dutch. For more info about the origins of the word see http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/baljuw or the Google translate version http://bit.ly/qKFjrv Regards Arnold -- Arnold Greyling E-mail: greylina@menusis.com Tel: +27 11 673 2628 Cell. +27 82 377 1836 Fax. +27 11 477 0527

Hi Keith, "Balju" is the Afrikaans term for a "Sheriff of the Court". In the SA legal system, the sheriff's job is to enforce court orders, ie delivering summonses, court orders, etc. and also confiscate a person's property, if such confiscation was ordered by a court. Not a very popular job, indeed. As to the exact origin of the word, I am not very clear, but I am sure that, like "landdrost" (magistrate), it originates in Roman-Dutch Law. Johan.

On 24/09/2011 11:18 AM, south-africa-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > (Rebecca Williams) > 2. Re: Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > (Ian Thirlwell) > 3. Re: Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > (Ian Thirlwell) > 4. Occupation: BALJU (Keith Meintjes) > 5. Re: Occupation: BALJU (Johann H Claassen) > 6. Re: Occupation: BALJU (tombipeck@talktalk.net) > 7. Re: Occupation: BALJU (Keith Meintjes) > 8. Re: Occupation: BALJU (Steve Hayes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:43:41 +0200 > From: Rebecca Williams<rmwilliams@ziggo.nl> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism > Records > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<351D1B83-3A42-4A40-AB6D-76EA65C29FAB@ziggo.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Dear All, > > I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, places, occupations etc). > > Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) > Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) > > Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER > Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, England > > Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to these baptism records cropped up. > > Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? > > Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any UK look-ups that may be required. > > Best regards, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:17:17 +0100 > From: "Ian Thirlwell"<thirlwell.it@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism > Records > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<A3E42A0184124AF5B860CA7D8D7240CC@IanThirlwellPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage > for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North > Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register > entry is available on Ancestry. > Ian > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Williams > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:43 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > > Dear All, > > I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism > records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the > mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, > places, occupations etc). > > Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) > Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) > > Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER > Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, > England > > Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and > her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living > with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even > aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to > these baptism records cropped up. > > Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She > married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph > may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a > Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any > trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there > is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 > and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? > > Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any > UK look-ups that may be required. > > Best regards, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:56:03 +0100 > From: "Ian Thirlwell"<thirlwell.it@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism > Records > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<DEDC43F9CF1C4318ACC571A0F12488F1@IanThirlwellPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I should have mentioned this was on ancestry.co.uk& the marriage was in > London. > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Thirlwell > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:17 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > > I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage > for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North > Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register > entry is available on Ancestry. > Ian > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:24:19 -0400 > From: "Keith Meintjes"<umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To: "SA List"<SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<433PiwVXT7680S01.1316813059@web01.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is > given as "Balju". > > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:43:50 +0200 > From: "Johann H Claassen"<johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<005201cc7a39$e2e49ee0$a8addca0$@claassen@telkomsa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. > > > Beste wense > Johann > Paarl (gestig 1687) > > CLAASSEN(sedert 1720)/CRONJE/DYER/JAMES/POZYN/ROSE/VICTOR/WAGENAAR/WATERSON > > https://www.facebook.com/#!/johann.h.claassen > > We all grow up with the weight of history on us.? Our ancestors dwell in the > attics of our brains as they do in the spiraling chains of knowledge hidden > in every cell of our bodies.? ~ Shirley Abbott > > e-pos adres: johann.claassen@telkomsa.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes > Sent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM > To: SA List > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation > is > given as "Balju". > > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:07:39 -0400 > From: tombipeck@talktalk.net > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<8CE4854576358E9-8CC-19603@FRR3-L27.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > My 'Woordeboek' certainly didn't have that.....thank you very much. > Here in the U.K. it's a little more difficult to unravel Afrikaans expressions and words which do not appear in my woordeboek! > Best wishes, > Tombi > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johann H Claassen<johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:43 > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. > > este wense > ohann > aarl (gestig 1687) > CLAASSEN(sedert 1720)/CRONJE/DYER/JAMES/POZYN/ROSE/VICTOR/WAGENAAR/WATERSON > https://www.facebook.com/#!/johann.h.claassen > We all grow up with the weight of history on us. Our ancestors dwell in the > ttics of our brains as they do in the spiraling chains of knowledge hidden > n every cell of our bodies. ~ Shirley Abbott > e-pos adres: johann.claassen@telkomsa.net > > ----Original Message----- > rom: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes > ent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM > o: SA List > ubject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation > s > iven as "Balju". > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > fficial term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > Best wishes, > Keith > > > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:48:41 -0400 > From: "Keith Meintjes"<umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Peter Ross<peter@activpro.co.za>, Toni Haarburger > <toni@moresport.co.za> > Message-ID:<208PiwXvp0816S03.1316821721@web03.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Here is his gravestone. > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1463486&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > I had never heard the term "balju" before today. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:46:27 PM EDT > From: "Johann H Claassen"<johann.claassen@telkomsa.net> > To:<south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. > > > Beste wense > Johann > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes > Sent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM > To: SA List > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation > is given as "Balju". > > Has anyone come across this as an official term in their research? What is > the origin of the word? > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:18:12 +0200 > From: "Steve Hayes"<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<4E7D4BF4.28600.54504A@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 23 Sep 2011 at 17:24, Keith Meintjes wrote: > >> My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is >> given as "Balju". >> >> (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an >> official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? > I've come across it, though not in family history research. It's some kind of > court official, and I think the English equivalent is "bailiff". I think they > issue summonses and things like that. > >

Is "representage" a word? I have the following as my transcript of an estate document: General account of Liquidation of the Joint Estate of Johannes Petrus Meintjes and his Wife Elisabeth Margaretha Botha relinquished on the 11th July 1827 by the death intestate of the firstmentioned in favor of his children procreated in three separate marriages or their lawful descendants by representage namely ... I this a plausible reading? The images are at http://imgur.com/a/VeEv7/all Thank you, Keith

Hi Keith >From Kritzinger, Kromhout - Klein Woordeboek Balju - messenger of the court, bailiff, sheriff Take Care Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> To: "SA List" <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His > occupation is > given as "Balju". > > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > official term in their research? What is the origin of the word?

That explains why there is no birth registration in the UK indexes. Also the UK incoming ships' passenger lists on Ancestry.co.uk start from 1890, the arrival here is before that. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Williams Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:20 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records Looks as if Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER was definitely born to Joseph Ward TURNER and Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS). I have found his death registration in Q4 1889 in London, England - name stated as Cecil Bertie W TURNER. His age is 0 - so he was born earlier that year (1889) in South Africa. This means that at least Annie travelled back to the UK in 1889 with Dulcie and Cecil. Joseph's whereabouts still to be found. Any help with this from someone in South Africa would be great. Many thanks, Rebecca

Interesting, thank you. It is a very odd word (I think). I'd like to learn the origin. Google translate (Afrikaans to English) does give it as Sheriff. It does not recognize Balju as a Dutch word. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:26:53 PM EDT From: "Johan Venter" <johannv69@ovi.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU Hi Keith, "Balju" is the Afrikaans term for a "Sheriff of the Court". In the SA legal system, the sheriff's job is to enforce court orders, ie delivering summonses, court orders, etc. and also confiscate a person's property, if such confiscation was ordered by a court. Not a very popular job, indeed. As to the exact origin of the word, I am not very clear, but I am sure that, like "landdrost" (magistrate), it originates in Roman-Dutch Law. Johan. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks as if Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER was definitely born to Joseph Ward TURNER and Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS). I have found his death registration in Q4 1889 in London, England - name stated as Cecil Bertie W TURNER. His age is 0 - so he was born earlier that year (1889) in South Africa. This means that at least Annie travelled back to the UK in 1889 with Dulcie and Cecil. Joseph's whereabouts still to be found. Any help with this from someone in South Africa would be great. Many thanks, Rebecca On Sep 24, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Hi Ian, > > That's fantastic. Have just looked this up on Ancestry.co.uk. Strange that my searches didn't turn this up before! Wonderful as it's certain this is her at her address at time of marriage matches that of the homestead I am aware of. It's unfortunate that Ancestry.co.uk does not have access to South African records even for those with a world subscription. Maybe they will purchase then someday soon. Thanks so much for your help. The marriage cert mentions that her father Joseph was deceased by 5 Jan 1919. I wonder whether he died in South Africa. Will have to investigate. > > Once again many thanks, > Rebecca > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Ian Thirlwell wrote: > >> I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage >> for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North >> Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register >> entry is available on Ancestry. >> Ian >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rebecca Williams >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:43 PM >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records >> >> Dear All, >> >> I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism >> records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the >> mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, >> places, occupations etc). >> >> Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) >> Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) >> >> Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER >> Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, >> England >> >> Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and >> her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living >> with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even >> aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to >> these baptism records cropped up. >> >> Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She >> married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph >> may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a >> Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any >> trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there >> is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 >> and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? >> >> Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any >> UK look-ups that may be required. >> >> Best regards, >> Rebecca >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ian, this was really a great tip. Have now been able to trace her death registration in Q3 1969 Ealing, Middlesex, England. It mentions her exact date of birth as 9 Apr 1888. What is also super is that it mentions her name as Dulcie Augusta E Saunders. This means that my assumption that the baptism record in St. Cyprian's Kimberley South Africa was correct (her 3rd christian name being Eugenia). That must mean that she had a brother named Cecil Bertie Wallis Turner. Still hoping that I can turn up something for him and also her father Joseph Turner who was possibly an actor (for some reason I have a feeling this may not be true - just a hunch) and definitely deceased by 5 Jan 1919 when Dulcie married Henry Saunders in Kensington. The Rosina Bradshaw as one of her witnesses at the wedding was her sister-in-law via her half brother (Rosina for some reason used her maiden name although she was already married a year earlier to Duclie's half brother with surname Brooks). Our anc! estors certainly keep us on our toes! Once again, many thanks, Rebecca On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Ian Thirlwell wrote: > I should have mentioned this was on ancestry.co.uk & the marriage was in > London. > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Thirlwell > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:17 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > > I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage > for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North > Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register > entry is available on Ancestry. > Ian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ian, That's fantastic. Have just looked this up on Ancestry.co.uk. Strange that my searches didn't turn this up before! Wonderful as it's certain this is her at her address at time of marriage matches that of the homestead I am aware of. It's unfortunate that Ancestry.co.uk does not have access to South African records even for those with a world subscription. Maybe they will purchase then someday soon. Thanks so much for your help. The marriage cert mentions that her father Joseph was deceased by 5 Jan 1919. I wonder whether he died in South Africa. Will have to investigate. Once again many thanks, Rebecca On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Ian Thirlwell wrote: > I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage > for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North > Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register > entry is available on Ancestry. > Ian > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Williams > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:43 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records > > Dear All, > > I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism > records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the > mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, > places, occupations etc). > > Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) > Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) > > Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER > Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, > England > > Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and > her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living > with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even > aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to > these baptism records cropped up. > > Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She > married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph > may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a > Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any > trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there > is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 > and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? > > Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any > UK look-ups that may be required. > > Best regards, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 23 Sep 2011 at 17:24, Keith Meintjes wrote: > My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is > given as "Balju". > > (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an > official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? I've come across it, though not in family history research. It's some kind of court official, and I think the English equivalent is "bailiff". I think they issue summonses and things like that. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com http://hayesfam.posterous.com/ E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff. Beste wense Johann Paarl (gestig 1687) CLAASSEN(sedert 1720)/CRONJE/DYER/JAMES/POZYN/ROSE/VICTOR/WAGENAAR/WATERSON https://www.facebook.com/#!/johann.h.claassen We all grow up with the weight of history on us.  Our ancestors dwell in the attics of our brains as they do in the spiraling chains of knowledge hidden in every cell of our bodies.  ~ Shirley Abbott e-pos adres: johann.claassen@telkomsa.net -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 23 September 2011 11:24 PM To: SA List Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Occupation: BALJU My great-grandfather remarried in Fauresmith, OFS, in 1897. His occupation is given as "Balju". (I know how to do Google searches.) Has anyone come across this as an official term in their research? What is the origin of the word? Best wishes, Keith

I should have mentioned this was on ancestry.co.uk & the marriage was in London. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Ian Thirlwell Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:17 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register entry is available on Ancestry. Ian

I haven't found a baptism record for either child, but there is a marriage for Dulcie, to Henry Saunders, 5th January 1919, at St Helen's Church, North Kensington, father Joseph Turner, actor. The image of the original register entry is available on Ancestry. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Williams Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:43 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records Dear All, I'm looking for someone who could kindly carry out a look-up of 2 baptism records that I found (via Ancestry24.com). I would like to know if the mother's name is noted and any other useful information (exact birth dates, places, occupations etc). Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER (assuming between 1887 and 1891) Dulcie Augusta Eugenia TURNER (born abt 1889) Father is noted as: Joseph Ward TURNER Mother should be: Annie TURNER (nee GIBBS) born 1869 Battersea, Surrey, England Joseph and Annie married in Q3 1887 in Battersea, Surrey, England. Annie and her daughter Dulcie can be found in Battersea again in 1891 census living with Annie's parents. There is no trace of Joseph or Cecil. I was not even aware of Cecil until I happened to google Joseph's name and the links to these baptism records cropped up. Annie went on to marry an Alfred BROOKS in 1892 in London, England. She married under her maiden name of GIBBS which leads me to believe that Joseph may not have returned to the UK. I wonder if there are any marriages for a Joseph Ward TURNER in South Africa or perhaps a death? Is there also any trace of Cecil Bertie Wallis TURNER in South Africa? I also wonder if there is a recording of Joseph and Annie's arrival in South Africa (between 1887 and 1891) and was it the diamond rush that took them there? Thanks to anyone who could help me out. I would be willing to repay with any UK look-ups that may be required. Best regards, Rebecca ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message