Hi Thank you for your reply so the search shall continue Regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty Russell Sent: 26 September 2011 11:55 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Darryl Well, well. I checked my Strays file and what did I find but some correspondence from July and August 1984 from Winston Allwright on this very topic! You've got more info than he had regarding the offspring, but he too was trying to find the parents of Edward Joseph RUSSELL RUSSELL shouldn't be a difficult name to research, it is well-known but not common (eg besides the furniture shop we are the only ones in the local telephone directory). But somehow the ancestors are very elusive, we have put a lot of effort in to trying to find my husband's grandfather's birth record in the UK but without success. I hope you have more luck with EJ! Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Allwright To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Eileen I am looking for information on Edward Joseph RUSSELL b c 1883 d 1953 X Effie Isabella ALLWRIGHT 21 Sept 1908 Baptist Church, Cradock. I am trying to find out who his parents were. They had the following chindren Children ============================================================================ ==== 1 M Edward Richard "Ted" RUSSELL Born: 12 Oct 1909 - Cradock, Eastern Cape. Christened: 16 Oct 1909 - Baptist Church, Cradock, Eastern Cape. Died: 5 Sep 1985 - Port Elizabeth Buried: Spouse: Aileen Molly PRINGLE (1910-1976) Marr. Date: Spouse: Dorothy Jess Gowar HACK ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 2 M Harry Melville RUSSELL Born: 25 Aug 1912 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 2 Feb 1968 - East London, South Africa Buried: Spouse: Ursula Catherine GERICKE (1910-2006) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 3 F Avis Thelma RUSSELL Born: 5 Aug 1914 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 18 Aug 1981 - Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, South Africa. Buried: Spouse: George Christian August COOK (1912-1974) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 4 F Rhoda Isabel RUSSELL Born: Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Robert Clive HALL (1913-1970) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 5 F Vida Stella RUSSELL Born: 1919 Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Charles Burnett WILSON ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 6 M Lawrence Newton RUSSELL Born: 4 May 1921 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: 20 Jun 1921 - Union Presbyterian Church, Adelade, Eastern Cape. Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------- My sister is also married to a RUSSELL Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty Russell Sent: 25 September 2011 05:33 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Darryl We are interested in the RUSSELL family, but you haven't given any clues - something to indicate that it might be our bunch - a name, a date, a place....................... 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Not being sure how Henrietta STRANACK was related to the three men of the earlier query, I had a look at the public member tree on Ancestry - Stranack Family Tree - and if it is accurate, then the parents of William d. 1849 (father of John, William and Stephen) appear to be the same parents of Henrietta above so they were sibling and the three STRANACKS above were Henrietta's nephews. My offer of info relates mainly to a collection of items relating to Thomas William GARLAND of Verulam. Eira

On 24 Sep 2011, at 5:44 PM, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Ian, this was really a great tip. Have now been able to trace her > death registration in Q3 1969 Ealing, Middlesex, England. It > mentions her exact date of birth as 9 Apr 1888. What is also super > is that it mentions her name as Dulcie Augusta E Saunders. This > means that my assumption that the baptism record in St. Cyprian's > Kimberley South Africa was correct (her 3rd christian name being > Eugenia). That must mean that she had a brother named Cecil Bertie > Wallis Turner. Still hoping that I can turn up something for him > and also her father Joseph Turner who was possibly an actor (for > some reason I have a feeling this may not be true - just a hunch) > and definitely deceased by 5 Jan 1919 when Dulcie married Henry > Saunders in Kensington. The Rosina Bradshaw as one of her witnesses > at the wedding was her sister-in-law via her half brother (Rosina > for some reason used her maiden name although she was already > married a year earlier to Duclie's half brother with surname > Brooks). Our ancestors certainly keep us on our toes! My daughter, who wrote her thesis on the late 19th Century Vaudeville Theatre in the US, and later developed it into a book for a more commercial market, remarked to me once that genealogy is a lost cause among theatrical folk because of their peripatetic life-style and sometimes casual marital habits, arising from the divergence of husbands and wives when different career opportunities arose. (And also because of the number of sham marriages entered into to conceal homosexuality, which further limited offspring or rendered their parentage dubious.) That you have managed to get as far as you have can be regarded as fortunate!

Balju looks to me like a corruption of or variation on a Dutch word related to "baillie" or "bailiff" or some such word. Differences between legal systems could of course mean that the exact duties of the functionary so named could be very different and that a different word might be used in English. In Scotland a bailie is a kind of magistrate, while Baillie is the name of a Covenanting Minister of the 17th Century and of a 19th century poetess. The word comes from a French word meaning an open space within the walls of a castle (a certain style of early Norman castle in England is known as a "Mott and Bailey" castle, the Mott being the main defensive tower. These words are almost certainly related to each other, but in various ways. There is also the present-day surname Baillieu, which as it happens is the name of the present Premier of the State of Victoria and of the long-established firm of stockbrokers in Melbourne which involves some of his relatives. Balju seems closest Baillieu if you say it out loud. It all goes to show that spelling is a flexible matter and one should look past it to find the meaning and origin of a word. Sheriff is another interesting word of interesting origin -- it's from Arabic, via the various Muslim conquests in the Mediterranean. On 24 Sep 2011, at 9:48 AM, various people wrote (snips from the string): > Here is his gravestone. > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php? > g2_itemId=1463486&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > I had never heard the term "balju" before today. > > Balju is the Afrikaans for Messenger of the Court or Sheriff.

I have some STRANACK info if you would like to contact me offlist. Thomas William GARLAND married Henrietta STRANACK 1849 at Ramsgate Kent. She was the daughter of John STRANACK harbourmaster at Margate and Henrietta nee MORRIS. . They were part of the Wesleyan settlement at Verulam arriving on the King William in 1849. They have had many descendants. Eira

Hi Darryl Well, well. I checked my Strays file and what did I find but some correspondence from July and August 1984 from Winston Allwright on this very topic! You've got more info than he had regarding the offspring, but he too was trying to find the parents of Edward Joseph RUSSELL RUSSELL shouldn't be a difficult name to research, it is well-known but not common (eg besides the furniture shop we are the only ones in the local telephone directory). But somehow the ancestors are very elusive, we have put a lot of effort in to trying to find my husband's grandfather's birth record in the UK but without success. I hope you have more luck with EJ! Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Allwright To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Eileen I am looking for information on Edward Joseph RUSSELL b c 1883 d 1953 X Effie Isabella ALLWRIGHT 21 Sept 1908 Baptist Church, Cradock. I am trying to find out who his parents were. They had the following chindren Children ============================================================================ ==== 1 M Edward Richard "Ted" RUSSELL Born: 12 Oct 1909 - Cradock, Eastern Cape. Christened: 16 Oct 1909 - Baptist Church, Cradock, Eastern Cape. Died: 5 Sep 1985 - Port Elizabeth Buried: Spouse: Aileen Molly PRINGLE (1910-1976) Marr. Date: Spouse: Dorothy Jess Gowar HACK ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 2 M Harry Melville RUSSELL Born: 25 Aug 1912 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 2 Feb 1968 - East London, South Africa Buried: Spouse: Ursula Catherine GERICKE (1910-2006) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 3 F Avis Thelma RUSSELL Born: 5 Aug 1914 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 18 Aug 1981 - Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, South Africa. Buried: Spouse: George Christian August COOK (1912-1974) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 4 F Rhoda Isabel RUSSELL Born: Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Robert Clive HALL (1913-1970) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 5 F Vida Stella RUSSELL Born: 1919 Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Charles Burnett WILSON ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 6 M Lawrence Newton RUSSELL Born: 4 May 1921 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: 20 Jun 1921 - Union Presbyterian Church, Adelade, Eastern Cape. Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------- My sister is also married to a RUSSELL Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty Russell Sent: 25 September 2011 05:33 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Darryl We are interested in the RUSSELL family, but you haven't given any clues - something to indicate that it might be our bunch - a name, a date, a place....................... Eileen Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Allwright To: OFS LIST ; SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:40 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi All There is a gentleman researching the RUSSELL family and I do not know if he is on any lists but I would like to get hold of him if possible.Does anyone have a email or contact address for me please. Trying to break a wall down here Regards Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3912 - Release Date: 09/22/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks John, Took a brief look and I could be gone for some time looking at the wealth of information. What a great resource. Regards Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Deare" <dearej@mweb.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families > Hello Keith, > I have noticed the name on various records. I think it was quite an > extensive family in Natal. Also well known electrical Co. Have a look at > the > NAAIRS web site (National Archives Index) and see if there are any obvious > ones. I can do a preliminary look-up ...but not soon. > John > Natal Inland Family History Society. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ListMail > Sent: 25 September 2011 10:04 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families > > Does any one on the list have interests in or information for the Stranack > families of SouthAfrica, please. > > Brothers John William, William, and Stephen emigrated from Kent England. > > 1. John William was the mayor of Durban 1885 - 1886. Did he marry and have > children? > > 2. William married Natalia TYZACK 1 Nov 1871in Durban. > Natalia died 5 Jun 1875. Issue, if any not known. > > William appears to have married Elizabeth Jane X about 1878. > Issue > Jessie Spencer STRANACK 9 Apr 1879, married England 1924, died England > 1974 > Lillian Webb STRANACK born about 1883, married England 1914, died England > 1959. > Both daughters are mentioned in the probate calendar entries for William > 1930 and Elizabeth Jane 1917. > > There was a Whelley S. STRANACK born Durban about 1887 who was in London, > England 1911 studying to be a dentist. He married in London Mabel E. > CLARE. > She remarried in 1831, but not know if as a widow or a divorcee. Not > certain > > who Whelley was the son of. > > 3. Stephen married Eliza Jane TYZACK 22 March 1876 Mount Pleasant, Berea, > Natal. He died 1932. > > Issue > Ethelbert Tyzack STRANACK born about 1878 at Pietermaritzburg. No further > sightings. > > Alice Mary STRANACK 4 Jun 1881 at Pietermaritzburg. Married Herbert Alfred > FISHER 1901 at Pietermaritzburg > > William Garland STRANACK born about 1883 at Pietermaritzburg. > Killed at Alexandria WW1 30 Jan 1916 > > Agnes STRANACK born about 1887 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. > > Josephine STRANACK born about 1888 at Pietermaritzburg. No other > sightings. > > Any further details of the Stranack familiwes would be appreciated. > > Keith Wellington > New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks John. That's interesting to know. Regards, Rebecca On 26/09/11, John Deare <dearej@mweb.co.za> wrote: For those researching musicians there is a very helpful "Encyclopaedia of South African Music", several volumes, found in most reference libraries. Traces the early musicians and organisations. John -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] <south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of Andrew Rodger Sent: 26 September 2011 05:59 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records On 24 Sep 2011, at 5:44 PM, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Ian, this was really a great tip. Have now been able to trace her > death registration in Q3 1969 Ealing, Middlesex, England. It > mentions her exact date of birth as 9 Apr 1888. What is also super > is that it mentions her name as Dulcie Augusta E Saunders. This > means that my assumption that the baptism record in St. Cyprian's > Kimberley South Africa was correct (her 3rd christian name being > Eugenia). That must mean that she had a brother named Cecil Bertie > Wallis Turner. Still hoping that I can turn up something for him > and also her father Joseph Turner who was possibly an actor (for > some reason I have a feeling this may not be true - just a hunch) > and definitely deceased by 5 Jan 1919 when Dulcie married Henry > Saunders in Kensington. The Rosina Bradshaw as one of her witnesses > at the wedding was her sister-in-law via her half brother (Rosina > for some reason used her maiden name although she was already > married a year earlier to Duclie's half brother with surname > Brooks). Our ancestors certainly keep us on our toes! My daughter, who wrote her thesis on the late 19th Century Vaudeville Theatre in the US, and later developed it into a book for a more commercial market, remarked to me once that genealogy is a lost cause among theatrical folk because of their peripatetic life-style and sometimes casual marital habits, arising from the divergence of husbands and wives when different career opportunities arose. (And also because of the number of sham marriages entered into to conceal homosexuality, which further limited offspring or rendered their parentage dubious.) That you have managed to get as far as you have can be regarded as fortunate! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Andrew - I have indeed been lucky! I shall keep persevering and have had a wonderful offer of help from Johan Venter, so keeping fingers crossed. Best wishes, Rebecca On 26/09/11, Andrew Rodger <rodgera@audioio.com> wrote: On 24 Sep 2011, at 5:44 PM, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Ian, this was really a great tip. Have now been able to trace her > death registration in Q3 1969 Ealing, Middlesex, England. It > mentions her exact date of birth as 9 Apr 1888. What is also super > is that it mentions her name as Dulcie Augusta E Saunders. This > means that my assumption that the baptism record in St. Cyprian's > Kimberley South Africa was correct (her 3rd christian name being > Eugenia). That must mean that she had a brother named Cecil Bertie > Wallis Turner. Still hoping that I can turn up something for him > and also her father Joseph Turner who was possibly an actor (for > some reason I have a feeling this may not be true - just a hunch) > and definitely deceased by 5 Jan 1919 when Dulcie married Henry > Saunders in Kensington. The Rosina Bradshaw as one of her witnesses > at the wedding was her sister-in-law via her half brother (Rosina > for some reason used her maiden name although she was already > married a year earlier to Duclie's half brother with surname > Brooks). Our ancestors certainly keep us on our toes! My daughter, who wrote her thesis on the late 19th Century Vaudeville Theatre in the US, and later developed it into a book for a more commercial market, remarked to me once that genealogy is a lost cause among theatrical folk because of their peripatetic life-style and sometimes casual marital habits, arising from the divergence of husbands and wives when different career opportunities arose. (And also because of the number of sham marriages entered into to conceal homosexuality, which further limited offspring or rendered their parentage dubious.) That you have managed to get as far as you have can be regarded as fortunate! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one on the list have interests in or information for the Stranack families of SouthAfrica, please. Brothers John William, William, and Stephen emigrated from Kent England. 1. John William was the mayor of Durban 1885 - 1886. Did he marry and have children? 2. William married Natalia TYZACK 1 Nov 1871in Durban. Natalia died 5 Jun 1875. Issue, if any not known. William appears to have married Elizabeth Jane X about 1878. Issue Jessie Spencer STRANACK 9 Apr 1879, married England 1924, died England 1974 Lillian Webb STRANACK born about 1883, married England 1914, died England 1959. Both daughters are mentioned in the probate calendar entries for William 1930 and Elizabeth Jane 1917. There was a Whelley S. STRANACK born Durban about 1887 who was in London, England 1911 studying to be a dentist. He married in London Mabel E. CLARE. She remarried in 1831, but not know if as a widow or a divorcee. Not certain who Whelley was the son of. 3. Stephen married Eliza Jane TYZACK 22 March 1876 Mount Pleasant, Berea, Natal. He died 1932. Issue Ethelbert Tyzack STRANACK born about 1878 at Pietermaritzburg. No further sightings. Alice Mary STRANACK 4 Jun 1881 at Pietermaritzburg. Married Herbert Alfred FISHER 1901 at Pietermaritzburg William Garland STRANACK born about 1883 at Pietermaritzburg. Killed at Alexandria WW1 30 Jan 1916 Agnes STRANACK born about 1887 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. Josephine STRANACK born about 1888 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. Any further details of the Stranack familiwes would be appreciated. Keith Wellington New Zealand

Darryl, seeing that you are doing RUSSELL, is there any connection to George RUSSELL from Durban around 1825. His sister Elizabeth Ann RUSSELL married George KING and their first child was born in 1852. Thanks Moyra Joyce Bedford -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Allwright Sent: 25 September 2011 06:50 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Eileen I am looking for information on Edward Joseph RUSSELL b c 1883 d 1953 X Effie Isabella ALLWRIGHT 21 Sept 1908 Baptist Church, Cradock. I am trying to find out who his parents were. They had the following chindren Children ============================================================================ ==== 1 M Edward Richard "Ted" RUSSELL Born: 12 Oct 1909 - Cradock, Eastern Cape. Christened: 16 Oct 1909 - Baptist Church, Cradock, Eastern Cape. Died: 5 Sep 1985 - Port Elizabeth Buried: Spouse: Aileen Molly PRINGLE (1910-1976) Marr. Date: Spouse: Dorothy Jess Gowar HACK ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 2 M Harry Melville RUSSELL Born: 25 Aug 1912 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 2 Feb 1968 - East London, South Africa Buried: Spouse: Ursula Catherine GERICKE (1910-2006) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 3 F Avis Thelma RUSSELL Born: 5 Aug 1914 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 18 Aug 1981 - Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, South Africa. Buried: Spouse: George Christian August COOK (1912-1974) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 4 F Rhoda Isabel RUSSELL Born: Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Robert Clive HALL (1913-1970) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 5 F Vida Stella RUSSELL Born: 1919 Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Charles Burnett WILSON ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 6 M Lawrence Newton RUSSELL Born: 4 May 1921 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: 20 Jun 1921 - Union Presbyterian Church, Adelade, Eastern Cape. Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------- My sister is also married to a RUSSELL Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty Russell Sent: 25 September 2011 05:33 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Darryl We are interested in the RUSSELL family, but you haven't given any clues - something to indicate that it might be our bunch - a name, a date, a place....................... Eileen Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Allwright To: OFS LIST ; SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:40 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi All There is a gentleman researching the RUSSELL family and I do not know if he is on any lists but I would like to get hold of him if possible.Does anyone have a email or contact address for me please. Trying to break a wall down here Regards Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3912 - Release Date: 09/22/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11

Hi Keith, yes I am interested in the STRANACK families as they are married into my TYZACK family. What would you like to know? Moyra Joyce Bedford South Africa -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ListMail Sent: 25 September 2011 10:04 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families Does any one on the list have interests in or information for the Stranack families of SouthAfrica, please. Brothers John William, William, and Stephen emigrated from Kent England. 1. John William was the mayor of Durban 1885 - 1886. Did he marry and have children? 2. William married Natalia TYZACK 1 Nov 1871in Durban. Natalia died 5 Jun 1875. Issue, if any not known. William appears to have married Elizabeth Jane X about 1878. Issue Jessie Spencer STRANACK 9 Apr 1879, married England 1924, died England 1974 Lillian Webb STRANACK born about 1883, married England 1914, died England 1959. Both daughters are mentioned in the probate calendar entries for William 1930 and Elizabeth Jane 1917. There was a Whelley S. STRANACK born Durban about 1887 who was in London, England 1911 studying to be a dentist. He married in London Mabel E. CLARE. She remarried in 1831, but not know if as a widow or a divorcee. Not certain who Whelley was the son of. 3. Stephen married Eliza Jane TYZACK 22 March 1876 Mount Pleasant, Berea, Natal. He died 1932. Issue Ethelbert Tyzack STRANACK born about 1878 at Pietermaritzburg. No further sightings. Alice Mary STRANACK 4 Jun 1881 at Pietermaritzburg. Married Herbert Alfred FISHER 1901 at Pietermaritzburg William Garland STRANACK born about 1883 at Pietermaritzburg. Killed at Alexandria WW1 30 Jan 1916 Agnes STRANACK born about 1887 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. Josephine STRANACK born about 1888 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. Any further details of the Stranack familiwes would be appreciated. Keith Wellington New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11

For those researching musicians there is a very helpful "Encyclopaedia of South African Music", several volumes, found in most reference libraries. Traces the early musicians and organisations. John -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Rodger Sent: 26 September 2011 05:59 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Look-up: St. Cyprian's Kimberley Baptism Records On 24 Sep 2011, at 5:44 PM, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Ian, this was really a great tip. Have now been able to trace her > death registration in Q3 1969 Ealing, Middlesex, England. It > mentions her exact date of birth as 9 Apr 1888. What is also super > is that it mentions her name as Dulcie Augusta E Saunders. This > means that my assumption that the baptism record in St. Cyprian's > Kimberley South Africa was correct (her 3rd christian name being > Eugenia). That must mean that she had a brother named Cecil Bertie > Wallis Turner. Still hoping that I can turn up something for him > and also her father Joseph Turner who was possibly an actor (for > some reason I have a feeling this may not be true - just a hunch) > and definitely deceased by 5 Jan 1919 when Dulcie married Henry > Saunders in Kensington. The Rosina Bradshaw as one of her witnesses > at the wedding was her sister-in-law via her half brother (Rosina > for some reason used her maiden name although she was already > married a year earlier to Duclie's half brother with surname > Brooks). Our ancestors certainly keep us on our toes! My daughter, who wrote her thesis on the late 19th Century Vaudeville Theatre in the US, and later developed it into a book for a more commercial market, remarked to me once that genealogy is a lost cause among theatrical folk because of their peripatetic life-style and sometimes casual marital habits, arising from the divergence of husbands and wives when different career opportunities arose. (And also because of the number of sham marriages entered into to conceal homosexuality, which further limited offspring or rendered their parentage dubious.) That you have managed to get as far as you have can be regarded as fortunate! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11

Hello Keith, I have noticed the name on various records. I think it was quite an extensive family in Natal. Also well known electrical Co. Have a look at the NAAIRS web site (National Archives Index) and see if there are any obvious ones. I can do a preliminary look-up ...but not soon. John Natal Inland Family History Society. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ListMail Sent: 25 September 2011 10:04 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families Does any one on the list have interests in or information for the Stranack families of SouthAfrica, please. Brothers John William, William, and Stephen emigrated from Kent England. 1. John William was the mayor of Durban 1885 - 1886. Did he marry and have children? 2. William married Natalia TYZACK 1 Nov 1871in Durban. Natalia died 5 Jun 1875. Issue, if any not known. William appears to have married Elizabeth Jane X about 1878. Issue Jessie Spencer STRANACK 9 Apr 1879, married England 1924, died England 1974 Lillian Webb STRANACK born about 1883, married England 1914, died England 1959. Both daughters are mentioned in the probate calendar entries for William 1930 and Elizabeth Jane 1917. There was a Whelley S. STRANACK born Durban about 1887 who was in London, England 1911 studying to be a dentist. He married in London Mabel E. CLARE. She remarried in 1831, but not know if as a widow or a divorcee. Not certain who Whelley was the son of. 3. Stephen married Eliza Jane TYZACK 22 March 1876 Mount Pleasant, Berea, Natal. He died 1932. Issue Ethelbert Tyzack STRANACK born about 1878 at Pietermaritzburg. No further sightings. Alice Mary STRANACK 4 Jun 1881 at Pietermaritzburg. Married Herbert Alfred FISHER 1901 at Pietermaritzburg William Garland STRANACK born about 1883 at Pietermaritzburg. Killed at Alexandria WW1 30 Jan 1916 Agnes STRANACK born about 1887 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. Josephine STRANACK born about 1888 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. Any further details of the Stranack familiwes would be appreciated. Keith Wellington New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11

Keith, If you are new to ZA research, take a look at the "Introduction" links here: http://www.eggsa.org/links_e.htm Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 06:14:10 PM EDT From: "ListMail" <genmailnz@gmail.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families Thanks John, Took a brief look and I could be gone for some time looking at the wealth of information. What a great resource. Regards Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Deare" <dearej@mweb.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families > Hello Keith, > I have noticed the name on various records. I think it was quite an > extensive family in Natal. Also well known electrical Co. Have a look at > the > NAAIRS web site (National Archives Index) and see if there are any obvious > ones. I can do a preliminary look-up ...but not soon. > John > Natal Inland Family History Society. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ListMail > Sent: 25 September 2011 10:04 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] STRANACK families > > Does any one on the list have interests in or information for the Stranack > families of SouthAfrica, please. > > Brothers John William, William, and Stephen emigrated from Kent England. > > 1. John William was the mayor of Durban 1885 - 1886. Did he marry and have > children? > > 2. William married Natalia TYZACK 1 Nov 1871in Durban. > Natalia died 5 Jun 1875. Issue, if any not known. > > William appears to have married Elizabeth Jane X about 1878. > Issue > Jessie Spencer STRANACK 9 Apr 1879, married England 1924, died England > 1974 > Lillian Webb STRANACK born about 1883, married England 1914, died England > 1959. > Both daughters are mentioned in the probate calendar entries for William > 1930 and Elizabeth Jane 1917. > > There was a Whelley S. STRANACK born Durban about 1887 who was in London, > England 1911 studying to be a dentist. He married in London Mabel E. > CLARE. > She remarried in 1831, but not know if as a widow or a divorcee. Not > certain > > who Whelley was the son of. > > 3. Stephen married Eliza Jane TYZACK 22 March 1876 Mount Pleasant, Berea, > Natal. He died 1932. > > Issue > Ethelbert Tyzack STRANACK born about 1878 at Pietermaritzburg. No further > sightings. > > Alice Mary STRANACK 4 Jun 1881 at Pietermaritzburg. Married Herbert Alfred > FISHER 1901 at Pietermaritzburg > > William Garland STRANACK born about 1883 at Pietermaritzburg. > Killed at Alexandria WW1 30 Jan 1916 > > Agnes STRANACK born about 1887 at Pietermaritzburg. No other sightings. > > Josephine STRANACK born about 1888 at Pietermaritzburg. No other > sightings. > > Any further details of the Stranack familiwes would be appreciated. > > Keith Wellington > New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen I am looking for information on Edward Joseph RUSSELL b c 1883 d 1953 X Effie Isabella ALLWRIGHT 21 Sept 1908 Baptist Church, Cradock. I am trying to find out who his parents were. They had the following chindren Children ============================================================================ ==== 1 M Edward Richard "Ted" RUSSELL Born: 12 Oct 1909 - Cradock, Eastern Cape. Christened: 16 Oct 1909 - Baptist Church, Cradock, Eastern Cape. Died: 5 Sep 1985 - Port Elizabeth Buried: Spouse: Aileen Molly PRINGLE (1910-1976) Marr. Date: Spouse: Dorothy Jess Gowar HACK ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 2 M Harry Melville RUSSELL Born: 25 Aug 1912 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 2 Feb 1968 - East London, South Africa Buried: Spouse: Ursula Catherine GERICKE (1910-2006) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 3 F Avis Thelma RUSSELL Born: 5 Aug 1914 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: Died: 18 Aug 1981 - Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, South Africa. Buried: Spouse: George Christian August COOK (1912-1974) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 4 F Rhoda Isabel RUSSELL Born: Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Robert Clive HALL (1913-1970) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 5 F Vida Stella RUSSELL Born: 1919 Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Charles Burnett WILSON ( - ) Marr. Date: Spouse: Marr. Date: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 6 M Lawrence Newton RUSSELL Born: 4 May 1921 - Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa Christened: 20 Jun 1921 - Union Presbyterian Church, Adelade, Eastern Cape. Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------- My sister is also married to a RUSSELL Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen & Marty Russell Sent: 25 September 2011 05:33 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Darryl We are interested in the RUSSELL family, but you haven't given any clues - something to indicate that it might be our bunch - a name, a date, a place....................... Eileen Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Allwright To: OFS LIST ; SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:40 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi All There is a gentleman researching the RUSSELL family and I do not know if he is on any lists but I would like to get hold of him if possible.Does anyone have a email or contact address for me please. Trying to break a wall down here Regards Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3912 - Release Date: 09/22/11

Hi Darryl We are interested in the RUSSELL family, but you haven't given any clues - something to indicate that it might be our bunch - a name, a date, a place....................... Eileen Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Allwright To: OFS LIST ; SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:40 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi All There is a gentleman researching the RUSSELL family and I do not know if he is on any lists but I would like to get hold of him if possible.Does anyone have a email or contact address for me please. Trying to break a wall down here Regards Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140 Cell: 076-091-2764 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have compared your transcription to the photos of the original document and I consider it an accurate transcription. "By Representage" is simply another way of saying "represented by" because in Roman Dutch law married women and children lacked legal capacity. Not having the legal capacity to act, in law, for themselves they needed to be represented by some kind of guardian - a parent, a husband, or an official guardian appointed by the court. The principle continues to be used in all legal systems today, and in my own case the court in Britain declared me to be lacking in legal capacity because I have a debilitating mental illness. The court also appointed the Office of the Official Solicitor to act in my stead - and so the Official Solicitor represented me in court. Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:umfundi@usa.net] Sent: 24 September 2011 18:41 To: SA List Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Wording in an estate file Is "representage" a word? I have the following as my transcript of an estate document: General account of Liquidation of the Joint Estate of Johannes Petrus Meintjes and his Wife Elisabeth Margaretha Botha relinquished on the 11th July 1827 by the death intestate of the firstmentioned in favor of his children procreated in three separate marriages or their lawful descendants by representage namely ... I this a plausible reading? The images are at http://imgur.com/a/VeEv7/all Thank you, Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Keith The Dutch version is baljuw, but it is a term which has had many variant spellings over the ages: Bailluw, Baliow, Ballif. The linkage to the English term Bailiff can be clearly seen in these variants. A charter granted to the people of Holland on 26.05.1480 by Duke Maximilian notes in article 9 that [Van Leeuwen] "..no baljuw, schout, nor dikereeve, within the towns or villages, shall administer justice except in a public court... " (Source: see 1 below, Van Leeuwen p 353) The baljuw used also to enjoy 1/3 of all forfeitures occurring in their districts in all corporal and criminal cases; and for the other two-thirds they were obliged to account to the Count. (Van Leeuwen, p354) There was also a "Court of Baljuw and well-born men" - the Hooge Vierskaar. The South African Legal Dictionary, quoting Van Leeuwen, makes reference to a Baljuw (or Aesge) in early Frisian law too. (SALD, p 2) Jan Matthyse's Rechtboek v.d. Briel, written in abt 1400, also makes reference to the office of Baljuw. With respect to the word's "ancestry": Baljuw is most probably derived from the Old French Bailie, which in turn is derived from medieval Latin bajulus. Bajulus was i.a. the term for someone who bears burdens, also a letter-bearer (SALD, 60-61) Sources: 1. Van Leeuwen's Commentaries on Roman Dutch Law, Volume 2, translated from the original by JG Kotze (appellate div judge) [Van Leeuwen] 2. South African Legal dictionary, WH Somerset Bell [SALD] Regards Colin

Hi Nivard Thank you for that lead I might have stumbled across a post in 1996 hope to get a response Regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 25 September 2011 02:52 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] RUSSELL Researcher Hi Darryl If you check the rootsweb list archives you will find over 6500 posts for the keywords RUSSELL South Africa , have you explored some of those, perhaps adding more keywords known to you which may narrow it down a fair bit http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Select Mailing lists from the top bar menu and use keywords in the upper search box Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS it is always best to post to lists individually as cross posting can cause unneccesary problems for list Admins *Other list addresses deleted* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3912 - Release Date: 09/22/11