On 16 Oct 2011 at 21:43, Keith Meintjes wrote: > I have written a short paper (4 pages) intended for submission to Familia. It > is to do with Meintjes genealogy around 1800. > > I will greatly appreciate a couple of volunteers to review it for me before I > send it in. I am looking for comments on style and presentation, and I am not > asking that anyone check the facts. > > Send me your e-mail, and I will forward two files: A 3-page word document and > a 1-page .png illustration. The files are small. I'd be willing to take a look. Which version of Word? -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

> Which version of Word? 2010. I can backversion it if necessary. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:05:51 PM EDT From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Reviewers, please? On 16 Oct 2011 at 21:43, Keith Meintjes wrote: > I have written a short paper (4 pages) intended for submission to Familia. It > is to do with Meintjes genealogy around 1800. > > I will greatly appreciate a couple of volunteers to review it for me before I > send it in. I am looking for comments on style and presentation, and I am not > asking that anyone check the facts. > > Send me your e-mail, and I will forward two files: A 3-page word document and > a 1-page .png illustration. The files are small. I'd be willing to take a look. Which version of Word? -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, I have written a short paper (4 pages) intended for submission to Familia. It is to do with Meintjes genealogy around 1800. I will greatly appreciate a couple of volunteers to review it for me before I send it in. I am looking for comments on style and presentation, and I am not asking that anyone check the facts. Send me your e-mail, and I will forward two files: A 3-page word document and a 1-page .png illustration. The files are small. Thank you, Keith

Hi Lists Forest Hill Cemetery, Port Elizabeth B's are on the web. http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1829038 Enjoy the week-end Carol BENEKE nee STEWART ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families.

I don't know any of these people but it makes for excellent reading and what a lot of work, congratulations on your efforts. Best wishes Jean Tuckey New Zealand --------------------------------------------------

Francois' comments highlight the futility of trying to evaluate a sum of money from the past in today's terms. The real problem is the huge change in the "basket" of goods against which the sum is calculated. (For example, the Australian Bureau of Statistics adjusts the "basket" every few years to reflect changes in such factors as - Automation's effects on employment etc. - Public transport - Private transport (cars etc.) - Housing: rental vs. ownership, quality of housing, etc. - Population shifts, demographics, immigration etc. - Entertainment (TV, movies, live shows) - Leisure: amount and how filled - Food: degree of home cooking vs. bought food -- The list is endless. Not only do we buy different stuff now from what our ancestors bought, but we also do different work to get the wherewithal to do so. And that's before you add in the effects of the economic cycle and of our efforts to abolish it. The UK paper Francois cites recognizes the difficulty also, but presses ahead nonetheless. It is interesting but not really as relevant to the future as it might seem: as it points out, the last century has been a period of far greater and more rapid change than any century before it, and the real question is how much longer this can go on before it all gets beyond our ability to adapt to change. (At my age, I'm tempted to feel it is already well beyond!) Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com On 10 Oct 2011, at 5:05 AM, Francois Greeff wrote: > In 1900 you bought a pint of beer in a bar for 2p. Today, about 300p. > A pint of milk was 2p too, and is today about 30p. > The difference lies in the added tax on beer, and the subsidy on milk. > > The average level of retail prices in 1999 was around 66 times the > level of > 1900. > Source: > http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/ > rp99-111.pdf > > An estate of £3,000 in 1919 would be worth about 66 times more. > £3,000 X 66 > = £198,000. > > In 1930 you could buy a house in London for £500. Today, about > £500,000, but > the house you get today is of a significantly higher quality (double > glazing, central heating, carpets, etc). > > Regards, > Francois > _____________ > Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom > Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: > Greefffrancois. > Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hayes [mailto:hayesstw@telkomsa.net] > Sent: 09 October 2011 05:04 > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Value of money? > > On 8 Oct 2011 at 18:20, Keith Meintjes wrote: > >> I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was >> 3,000 > pounds >> sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? >> >> What would be the equivalent worth today? > > You could probably have bought a fairly substantial house with it, > so it > might have been around a million or so. > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Ann and Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com

Thank you Jean Regards D On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:51:57 +1300, Jean Tuckey wrote: > I don't know any of these people but it makes for excellent reading and what > a lot of work, congratulations on your efforts. > > Best wishes > Jean Tuckey > New Zealand > > -------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com [1] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- DARRYL ALLWRIGHT P O BOX 166 GRAHAMSTOWN 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 FAX: 086-546-7646 CELL: 076-091-2764 _ _ Links: ------ [1] mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com

Oh yum condensed milk...we spent our tickey (3d) (early 1930s) pocket money on a small tin of condensed milk, made two small holes in the tin and sucked that stuff out for hours....THAT was sheer luxury Patricia Frykberg (aka Pat) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Johan Venter" <johannv69@ovi.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:10 AM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Value of money? > Keith, > > In today's money that would be equivalent to about US$ 3 million, or ZAR > 30 million (If not more). Yes, that was quite a considerable amount. > > A good guide to devaluation of currency is to compare prices of everyday > commodities. In 1919, South Africa, a box of matches (3x the size of a > modern box of matches - containing 100 matches) cost a farthing (1/4 penny > about 0.5 US cent). A tin of condensed milk (which in those days was > imported from England) cost 3d (about 5 US cents), and was considered an > expensive luxury. A tailor-made men's suit, made from your choice of > fabric and style, to your exact measurements. Cost one guinea (£1 1/- ~US$ > 2.10). > > Johan. > >>> > > All, > > I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 > pounds > sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? > > What would be the equivalent worth today? > > Keith > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11 >

In 1900 you bought a pint of beer in a bar for 2p. Today, about 300p. A pint of milk was 2p too, and is today about 30p. The difference lies in the added tax on beer, and the subsidy on milk. The average level of retail prices in 1999 was around 66 times the level of 1900. Source: http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf An estate of £3,000 in 1919 would be worth about 66 times more. £3,000 X 66 = £198,000. In 1930 you could buy a house in London for £500. Today, about £500,000, but the house you get today is of a significantly higher quality (double glazing, central heating, carpets, etc). Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hayes [mailto:hayesstw@telkomsa.net] Sent: 09 October 2011 05:04 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Value of money? On 8 Oct 2011 at 18:20, Keith Meintjes wrote: > I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 pounds > sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? > > What would be the equivalent worth today? You could probably have bought a fairly substantial house with it, so it might have been around a million or so. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Obituary for John Enoch PARSONSON (1849-1900) John Enoch PARSONSON, who was born at Pietermaritzburg, in the year 1849. When nine years of age he went to England with his parents, and was educated at Woodhouse Grove. He was some years in business, and in the year 1871 he was accepted for the Ministry and sent to Richmond College. He remained there for three years, profiting greatly, especially under the tuition of the late Dr. MOULTON, for whom he always retained a reverent affection. In 1874 he was appointed to South Africa, where he laboured diligently and faithfully for twenty-five years. He rendered most excellent service not only in Circuit work, but in connection with the Conference for many years as Secretary of the Board of Examiners, and of the Conference. In 1882 he was appointed to Queenstown to establish the Grammar School. For ten years he successfully discharged the duties of Governor and Head Master, and as such spared neither time nor labour to advance the interests of the School. He secured in an eminent degree the confidence and affection of the pupils, especially of the Boarders, over many of whom his influence for good will be life-long in its effects. His last Circuit was Cradock, from which he proceeded in July to England on a year's furlough. The sermons and missionary addresses which he had the opportunity of delivering in England were greatly appreciated. The information which he was able to impart on the present state of affairs in South Africa being most valuable. Mr. PARSONSON was a man of boundless energy, an untiring worker, and throughout his life a diligent student. His scholastic attainments were considerable, and he had a wide acquaintance with general literature. His conversational powers were exceptional, and he was exceedingly popular with young men. As a preacher he was fluent, interesting, and often very impressive. He had a remarkable gift in prayer, and his pastoral visits to the sick and troubled were rich in sympathy. He died suddenly at Saltcoats, Scotland, on the 14th March, 1900, in the fifty-first year of his age and twenty-seventh year of his ministry. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1900 Transcribed by Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown 6140

Keith, In today's money that would be equivalent to about US$ 3 million, or ZAR 30 million (If not more). Yes, that was quite a considerable amount. A good guide to devaluation of currency is to compare prices of everyday commodities. In 1919, South Africa, a box of matches (3x the size of a modern box of matches - containing 100 matches) cost a farthing (1/4 penny about 0.5 US cent). A tin of condensed milk (which in those days was imported from England) cost 3d (about 5 US cents), and was considered an expensive luxury. A tailor-made men's suit, made from your choice of fabric and style, to your exact measurements. Cost one guinea (£1 1/- ~US$ 2.10). Johan. >> All, I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 pounds sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? What would be the equivalent worth today? Keith

Hi All   Obituary of William F. EDWARDS   William F. EDWARDS, who was born at Stellenbosch, Cape Colony, April 13th, 1839.He received a sound education in the Public School of that town, and under the gracious influence of his home grew up in the knowledge and fear of God. He became a Local Preacher in early youth, and rendered valuable assistance to his father, the late Rev. Edward EDWARDS.He was accepted as a Probationer in the year 1865, and commenced his ministry in his native town. With the exception of two years spent in the Colesberg Circuit, his ministerial life was devoted to the Dutch-speaking coloured people of the Western Province of the Cape Colony. He laboured in the Cape Town Dutch Circuit three years, in the Robertson Dutch Circuit twenty-two years, and in the Stellenbosch Dutch Circuit seventeen years. He was greatly revered and beloved, not only by the people of his congregation, but by English and Dutch residence of the localities in which he laboured. He had unique qualifications for the work unto which he was called, and had a thorough knowledge of the language, character and habits of the people. He was a man of sound judgement and of deep piety, who adorned the doctrine of our Saviour by integrity of life and conduct. He was a great reader, a diligent student, especially of theology, and as a preacher he excelled in exposition and application of the truth. His preaching was eqoquent and powerful, and was often accompanied by the rich unction of the Spirit. As a pastor he was indeffatigable and self-sacrificing, and as a social worker he earned the gratitude of the community for his unwearied efforts in the cause of temperance and purity. A brief visit to England in 1875 resulted in partial relief from a distressing malady, but from that date he had frequently been prostrated with intense agony, which he bore with exemplary fortitude. He took an actice part in the proceedings of the Synod in the month of February, and returned to his home full of enthusiasm and hope. Soon after he reached home he was laid aside by severe illness, and after eighteen days of acute suffering he entered into rest in the room in which he was born, and finished his life and ministry on the 3rd of March, 1901.   From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1901   Transcribed by   Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134  Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

Else try this link: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency/ Sandra On 9 October 2011 00:20, Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> wrote: > All, > > I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 > pounds > sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? > > What would be the equivalent worth today? > > Keith > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 8 Oct 2011 at 18:20, Keith Meintjes wrote: > I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 pounds > sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? > > What would be the equivalent worth today? You could probably have bought a fairly substantial house with it, so it might have been around a million or so. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Hi Keith There are various ways of calculating the value of old money, try here http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html One I have used many times from the above list is http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > All, > > I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 pounds > sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? > > What would be the equivalent worth today? > > Keith

All, I have just come across my grandfather's estate. In 1919, it was 3,000 pounds sterling. Am I correct in thinking that was a large amount of money? What would be the equivalent worth today? Keith

What a fantastic list, thanks to everyone for your replies.Earlier today I wrote to the Topsy foundation to see if they could tell me the origin of Topsy and they also replied that it came from Uncle Tom's Cabin. I have since looked her up in Wikipeadia where she is described as'' A "ragamuffin" young slave girl. When asked if she knows who made her, she professes ignorance of both God and a mother, saying "I s'pect I growed. Don't think nobody never made me." She is transformed by Little Eva's love. During the early-to-mid 1900s, several doll manufacturers created Topsy and Topsy-type dolls."" I think this is more likely the explanation she may have been a bit of a ragamuffin earning the name Topsy Thanks again everyone Steve On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Steve > > Topsy was apparently a character in Uncle Toms Cabin by Harriet Beecher > Stowe > > Could this be the origin rather than a place? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hello > > > > I had a Great Aunty whose nick name was Topsy, and I have heard this was > the > > name of a South African town prominent around the time of the Boer War. > > Can anyone tell me if anything about the origin of Topsy > > Thanks > > Steve > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know of a town that name but had a friend we called Topsy because she had very black very frizzy hair. I think the name came from a cartoon strip?\ Patricia Frykberg (aka Pat) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen Ezzy" <srezz51@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 7:21 PM To: <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Topsy > Hello > > I had a Great Aunty whose nick name was Topsy, and I have heard this was > the > name of a South African town prominent around the time of the Boer War. > Can anyone tell me if anything about the origin of Topsy > Thanks > Steve > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3941 - Release Date: 10/06/11 >

Hi Steve and Bruce, Neither have I. The only "Topsy" I know of, is an author called Topsy Smit. >> Hi Steve, I just might be wrong but I've never heard of town called Topsy in SA Regards Bruce >> Hello I had a Great Aunty whose nick name was Topsy, and I have heard this was the name of a South African town prominent around the time of the Boer War. Can anyone tell me if anything about the origin of Topsy Thanks Steve

Google gives quite a few results, but none associated with the Boer War (beyond a couple saying that Winston Churchill's participation in it went some way to explain his subsequent topsy-turvy career). A present-day result is the Topsy Foundation, a charity concerned with assistance to AIDS victims and their families. Otherwise, zilch. The name is variously said to mean the girl is "tops", or to be a diminutive of "topsail", though why on earth (or on the water!) anyone should want to call a girl after a sail is beyond me -- perhaps a sailing expert can elucidate this. Perhaps there is something in it, two different entries say "topsail" and only one says "tops". I can think of no reason why a town in South Africa -- on either side of the Boer War -- would be called that. Topsy, as I suppose everyone of my age knows but youngsters may not, is a character in the US author Harriet Beecher Stowe's anti-slavery novel "Uncle Tom's Cabin" -- a little black slave girl who says she wasn't born, she "just growed". On 7 Oct 2011, at 5:40 PM, bruce wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I just might be wrong but I've never heard of town called Topsy in SA > > Regards > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Ezzy > Sent: 07 October 2011 08:21 > To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Topsy > > Hello > > I had a Great Aunty whose nick name was Topsy, and I have heard > this was the > name of a South African town prominent around the time of the Boer > War. > Can anyone tell me if anything about the origin of Topsy > Thanks > Steve > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com