Hello Sonia, Saturday, October 29, 2011, 9:00:06 PM, you wrote: SvH> For Joechem KOEKEMOER I have ... inventory, MOOC 8/14.47b; Checking further I see I had found this inventory, but it is clear that it is for Jochem Koekemoer the younger, grandson of Jochem Koekemoer the founding father: http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I237.html There are two parts to the inventory, a and b - the a part lists his wife and children, the b his animals. The a inventory itself can be found here: http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/main_article.cfm?id=MOOC8%2F14%2E47a&freesearchkey=1773%2D03%2D19 Thank you, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Hello Keith, KM> He is in Colenbrander's "De Afkomst de Boeren" (p. 40) as KM> 1717; Jochem Koekemoer; Duitschland(?) KM> which is clearly a guess based on his marriage record. Maybe, but I can't find any marriage record in the Cape Town or Stellenbosch or Drakenstein (dating only from 1717) marriage registers for Jochem Koekemoer and Maria Putters. The marriage most probably took place around 1715 (given the baptism date of their first child) and in the Drakenstein(Paarl) church (since it cannot be found in Cape Town or Stellenbosch) and also since Maria Putters' mother and stepfather were living in Drakenstein from 1714 onwards, http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I064.html but the Drakenstein marriage records prior to 1717 have been missing since the early 18th century, as I understand it. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Hello Keith, KM> I looked at the Familia index and did not find Koekemoer. I do KM> not have the capability to do a text search on the contents. That KM> may help. Thanks. No, I don't have that facility either. As he appears in the muster rolls of 1713 for the first time as a free man http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/1713/mr_1713_intro.htm and the piece that Andre Groenewald quoted (from an unpublished book) is so specific about when he landed and that he was employed by the VOC , I suppose the next place to look would be the muster rolls of VOC employees from 1709 to 1712 (Cape Archives VC 40). These usually do record place of birth and rank. Unfortunately I do not have access to those and the Cape Archives does not allow one to have them photographed. So it will have to rest as unsolved at the moment. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

He is in Colenbrander's "De Afkomst de Boeren" (p. 40) as 1717; Jochem Koekemoer; Duitschland(?) which is clearly a guess based on his marriage record. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:03:14 AM EDT From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> To: Keith Meintjes <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoe Hello Keith, KM> I looked at the Familia index and did not find Koekemoer. I do KM> not have the capability to do a text search on the contents. That KM> may help. Thanks. No, I don't have that facility either. As he appears in the muster rolls of 1713 for the first time as a free man http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/1713/mr_1713_intro.htm and the piece that Andre Groenewald quoted (from an unpublished book) is so specific about when he landed and that he was employed by the VOC , I suppose the next place to look would be the muster rolls of VOC employees from 1709 to 1712 (Cape Archives VC 40). These usually do record place of birth and rank. Unfortunately I do not have access to those and the Cape Archives does not allow one to have them photographed. So it will have to rest as unsolved at the moment. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sonia, SvH> The 50 years is my short form for the First 50 Year Project by SvH> Delia A. Robertson. www.e-family.co.za/ffy/ I should have guessed, I suppose! No, there is nothing original there or different about Jochem Koekemoer. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Hello Richard The 50 years is my short form for the First 50 Year Project by Delia A. Robertson. www.e-family.co.za/ffy/ Sonia ============================== > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:45:22 +0000 > From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer > To: Sonia van Heerden <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <17010215868.20111030074522@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Sonia, > > Thank you for your note of your sources. > > I did not have the MOOC 8/14.47b and for that I am most grateful. I > have added that info to my database. > > Some of the others you quote I know have no information on birth > dates or places, others are unknown to me but I doubt they mention the > original sources of their info unless the P.J. Putter letter may. > > I should also be grateful to know what this source is: > > 50 years death notices > > it is unknown to me. > > > Thank you, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 303 > ********************************************

Hello Sonia, Thank you for your note of your sources. I did not have the MOOC 8/14.47b and for that I am most grateful. I have added that info to my database. Some of the others you quote I know have no information on birth dates or places, others are unknown to me but I doubt they mention the original sources of their info unless the P.J. Putter letter may. I should also be grateful to know what this source is: 50 years death notices it is unknown to me. Thank you, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Hi Lists D Headstones from above cemetery now available at http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1829040 Regards Carol BENEKE nee STEWART ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families.

Dear Richard I have a page of sources for each family. I do not know exactly where I found the birth of Maria Putter, but her bibliography is deVilliers, Pama, pages 414, 743; Pama's African Family Name Book, p. 188; IGI birth (years ago, when I found vital statistics by microfiche at the Mormon Library) 1660104 19; Malherbe Driehonderd Jaar Nasiebou, page 115, letter from PJ Putter, Pretoria, April 13, 1992; Heese P, Suid-Afrikan Geslagsregister, p. 513; 50 years death notices, p. 3844; For Joechem KOEKEMOER I have de Villiers, Pama, p. 413, 743; Pama, p. 188; Malherbe, p. 115, Theal, IHistoryof South Africa) p. 458; Heese, book 4, p. 350; 50 years, p. 2143; estate inventory, MOOC 8/14.47b; Heese, P, p. 513; and PJ Putter letter April 13, 1992. I believe I also have his death notice somewhere in my files. Sonia van Heerden Toronto, Canada

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Hello Andre, What is the source of your statement below? The statements are very precise, but I cannot find any marriage dated 1 August 1717 at all in the early Cape marriage registers, certainly no marriage for Jochem Koekemoer and Maria Putters, although a marriage entry is one of the (few) sources for birthplace. AG> Joachim AG> of Jochem Koekemoer (*18.11.1690 gebore te Oldenburg, Duitsland) is die AG> stamvader wat van Westphalia/Wesfalen, Wes-Duitsland na Suid-Afrika gekom het. AG> Hy het op 18 jarige ouderdom as ‘n soldaat aangesluit by die destydse Oos AG> Indiese Kompanjie (V.O.C) en is na die Kaap gestuur. Hy stap aan wal op 18 AG> oktober 1709. Hy trou met Maria Putter (*3.4.1696) in die Kaap van Goede Hoop AG> op 1 Augustus 1717. Sy was die dogter van Dietrich Pötter wat vanaf Duitsland AG> in 1675 hom as jagter in die Kaap gevestig het en Zacharia Visser. Later sou hy AG> sy naam na Diederik Putter verander. Sy nageslag: AG> · (B1) Diederik (= 19.7.1716) trou met Jacomina van Wijk op AG> 22 April 1748. Sy was dogter van Gerrit Arie van Wijk en Elizabeth Vivier. Thank you, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

What a sad story, for a remarkable man...these are so interesting. Thank you. Best wishes Jean Tuckey in New Zealand --------------------------------------------------

Hi   Obituary for Rev. Barnabas J. SHAW   Barnabas J. SHAW, was born on the 1st February 1821 and was the son of the eminent missionary the Rev. Brnabas SHAW. Hewas educated at Woodhouse Grove School and won considerable distinction in classics and mathemathics. It was his intention to devote himself to Educational work, but after his conversion to God he heard the call to the higher tasks of the Christian Ministry. He was trained at the Hoxton Theological Institution, and offered himself for service in India. With a view to his new sphere he devoted himself to the study of Canarese. Circumstances however, prevented his going to India, and he laboured for a time in circuits in England. The Missionary Committee afterwards decided that he should join his father in South Africa, and to fit himself for his work he went to Holland to study the Dutch language. His first appointment in Africa was to the Cape Town Circuit, from whence he removed to Raithby, where failure of voice began to trouble him. After a brief visit to England he settled at Salem as the first Principal of the Industrial School established by Sir George GREY, and when he spent many years of happy and prosperous life. He finally settled at Grahamstown and became eminently succesful as Head Master of a Private School. As a Christian educationist Mr. SHAW had few rivals in South Africa. Many of his pupils have attained high positions in various professions. Mr. Shaw rendered valuable service as a preacher of the Gospel. His sermons were deeply spiritual and instructive, and were delivered with peculiar grace and unction. He was a most lovable man, full of sympathy and always a welcome visitor to the homes of the people. His last days were marked by a singular calm and serenity of mind, and displayed in an eminent degree of beauty of Christian saintliness. He died at Grahamstown on the 15th of June 1902, in the 82nd year of his age. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1903 Page 6 & 7   Transcribed by  Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

Hi All   I have also been requested to do the Native Ministersso here is the first   Obituary of John Stegman DLAKIYA   John Stegman DLAKIYA, born at Annshaw of Christian parents, was converted to God in early youth. He was educated at Healdtown and Lovedale. In 1889 he was accepted by the Conference, and subsequently laboured ain the Jonono's Kop, Durban, East London and Wesleyville Circuits. He was humble in spirit and earnest in his work. As a preacher he was clear and powerful, and God made him instrumental in saving many souls. We anticipated for him many years of great usefulness, but the Lord was plaesed to call him to his reward at an early age. He died on the 31st of May 1901, in the 12 year of his ministry. From Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1902 Page 7-8 Transcribed by   Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

Hi All   Obituary of Rev. Thomas OLDMAN   Thomas OLDMAN was born near Wigton, England, on January 23rd, 1864. Blessed with godly parents he was nearly converted to God. After three years at the Didsbury Theological Institution, he came to this country in 1890 and laboured with great acceptance in various circuits. At Okiep his health broke down; and though, after a long rest, he resumed work for a few months, he was compelled to become a supernumerary in 1901. During along and painful illness he was gentle, patient, unmurmuring. He retained his interest in the Church and passing events to the last. As a pastor he was diligent and faithful. As a preacher he was thoughtful and interesting, his style quiet and unassuming, his language choice and refined. He died at Middelburg on the 11th of January, 1902. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conferences 1902 Transcribed by  Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

Hi All   Obituary of Rev. William Shaw DAVIS   William Shaw DAVIS was born at Grahamstown in the year 1832. He was the son of the late Rev. William Jefford DAVIS, one of the pioneers of our Missions in Kaffirland. He spent seven years at Woodhouse Grove School and received much spiritual good there; but he always attributed his conversion to God to a sermon preached by the REv. Frederick MASON. The visit of the Rev. William TAYLOR to the Clarkebury Mission was made an unspeakable blessing to him. It was at that time that he translated into Kafir the hymn called "The Eden above," which has been the means under God of awakening and bringing thousands of the Natives to the Saviour. In after years he composed and translated a number of the hymns in the Kafir Hymn Book, which has been favourites with our people. In 1871 he became a candidate and was accepted. His first appointment was at Shawbury, where four years of self-sacrificing labours had a marked effect on the Chief and tribe. After a year spent at Kamastone he returned to Shawbury at the request of the Home Committee. It was during this second term at Shawbury that he established the Girls'Institution which proved so great a blessing to our people. After three years spent at Etembeni. one of our most difficult Circuits, he was called to take charge of the Boys'Training Institution at Clarkebury. His perfect knowledge of the Kafir language and his sympathy with the young, coupled with his spiritual character, had a wonderful effect on the youths who came under his care. Many of them received "the grace of God," and some have entered the ministry. He was quiet and gentle in his manners. His character was pure, his conduct exemplary. He was an upright, kind-hearted, genuine, unassuming man, and a faithful and useful minister of Jesus Christ. The last two years of his life were spent at St. John's, and though prostrated his weakness he did what he could, and his last effort was the erection of a beautiful sanctuary which was dedicated to the service of God just three weeks before he died. He fell asleep in Jesus on the 29th of January, 1902, in the 70th year of his age and the 31st year of his ministry. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference of 1902   Transcribed by   Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

Hi All   Obituary of Rev. J. Jackson WEST   J.Jackson WEST who was born at Effingham, Surrey, in the year 1867. He was converted to God in early youth, and at once began to take part in the Sunday School, Cottage Services and Prayer Meetings. The call to the ministry came to him very clearly, and in preparation for the work of his life he placed himself under the Rev. Allen REES at Wesley's Chapel, London, where he received instruction, and was actively employed in the Mission work for two years. He came to South Africa as a candidate for the ministry of our Church in 1894, and was accepted as a probationer at the Conference of 1895. Mr. WEST laboured in the circuits of Barkly East and Parijs with great acceptance. Owing to the War he was unable to take up his appointment at Lindley, but as a supply in other Circuits he rendred good service. He was most dilligent and earnest in caring for the scattered members of his flock, both English and Native. He was beloved by his people, and especially by the children, with whom he was very popular. The young men looked upon him as a friend to whom they could always appeal for sympathy and help. He was loving and lovable as a man; open and loyal as a colleque:; earnest and devoted as a pastor, who was especially helpful in the rooms of the sick and the dying. The end of his life came with strange suddenness. Whilst attending the Synod at Kimberley he was laid low with fever, and only after one week's illness he passed away on the 4th of February, 1901, in the 33rd year of his age and the 6th year of his ministry. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference Minutes 1901   Transcribed by  Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

Hi All, Have a look at the www.e-family.co.za site. That has some details for Jochem Koekemoer. Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 28 October 2011 07:14 PM To: Andre Groenewald; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer/Kukemur There is no information on his origins in SA Genealogies, Malherbe or de Villiers / Pama, nor on the Stamouers web site. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:43:30 AM EDT From: Andre Groenewald <groenstes@yahoo.com> To: "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer/Kukemur Joachim of Jochem Koekemoer (*18.11.1690 gebore te Oldenburg, Duitsland) is die stamvader wat van Westphalia/Wesfalen, Wes-Duitsland na Suid-Afrika gekom het. Hy het op 18 jarige ouderdom as ‘n soldaat aangesluit by die destydse Oos Indiese Kompanjie (V.O.C) en is na die Kaap gestuur. Hy stap aan wal op 18 oktober 1709. Hy trou met Maria Putter (*3.4.1696) in die Kaap van Goede Hoop op 1 Augustus 1717. Sy was die dogter van Dietrich Pötter wat vanaf Duitsland in 1675 hom as jagter in die Kaap gevestig het en Zacharia Visser. Later sou hy sy naam na Diederik Putter verander. Sy nageslag: · (B1) Diederik (= 19.7.1716) trou met Jacomina van Wijk op 22 April 1748. Sy was dogter van Gerrit Arie van Wijk en Elizabeth Vivier. Groetnis Andre Rev Dr AJ Groenewald 8 Manse Court East Calder Livingston EH53 0HF Tel 01506 884585 Mobile 075 888 458 14 groenstes@yahoo.com Scottish Charity Reg. No.SC006973 ________________________________ From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> To: Sonia van Heerden <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer/Kukemur Hello Sonia, SvH> Joechem KOEKEMOER/KUKEMUR, was born ca 1690 in either Germany or SvH> Netherlands, arrived in SA before 1716 and married Maria PUTTER SvH> (b8), born April 3, 1696, SvH> CP. He died pre Mar 19, 1773, CP SvH> and had 8 children. SvH> Can anyone tell me whether he was German or Dutch? So far as I know there is no evidence (certainly none that I could find) in the records in the Cape archives to suggest any place of birth or any date of birth. I would be interested in your source for the birth date of Maria Putter as you give it above. She was baptised 21 July 1696 but, again so far as I know, there is no source for a birth date. Also your source for JK's death? http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I082.html Yours sincerely, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sonia, SvH> Joechem KOEKEMOER/KUKEMUR, was born ca 1690 in either Germany or SvH> Netherlands, arrived in SA before 1716 and married Maria PUTTER SvH> (b8), born April 3, 1696, SvH> CP. He died pre Mar 19, 1773, CP SvH> and had 8 children. SvH> Can anyone tell me whether he was German or Dutch? So far as I know there is no evidence (certainly none that I could find) in the records in the Cape archives to suggest any place of birth or any date of birth. I would be interested in your source for the birth date of Maria Putter as you give it above. She was baptised 21 July 1696 but, again so far as I know, there is no source for a birth date. Also your source for JK's death? http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I082.html Yours sincerely, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk