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    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Wesleyan Minister Obituaries No 27 Thomas SPARGO (1857-1902)
    2. Heather Hall
    3. Thanks Darryl,   It's good to hear all this detail on Godly men of the past.  Keep up the good work.   Much appreciated,   Heather.       ________________________________ From: Darryl Allwright (Yahoo) <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com> To: KZN List <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>; Northern Cape List <NORTHERN-CAPE-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>; Cape Town List <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com>; EC List <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>; British Immigrant List <south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com>; OFS List <SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com>; SA List <SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 7 November 2011, 14:11 Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Wesleyan Minister Obituaries No 27 Thomas SPARGO (1857-1902) Hi   Obituary of Rev. Thomas SPARGO (1857-1902)   Thomas SPARGO, was born at Chacewater, Cornwall, in the year 1857. He was converted to God in 1871 and after two years' experience as a Local Preacher was accepted as a candidate for the Ministry and designated for the Institution and Foreign work. At Richmond College he greatly impressed his fellow-students by his deep spirituality and brotherly kindness. He was sent to South Africa in 1881 and in the several circuits where he travelled he was in labours most abundant. In Molteno, Seymour, Salem, Hilton and Cathcart he will long be remembered as a man of saintly character, a devoted pastor and a faithful and useful preacher of the Gospel. At Hilton the very fine boarding schools erected mainly through his jidicious and persistent efforts are his special memorial. Throughout his ministry he suffered the inconveniences of a weak physical constitution which entailed an extraordinary amount of self-denial and heroic endeavour in the prosecution of his beloved work. When he realised that the end was near he calmly set his house in order and waited for the call of the Master. After a week's illness, during which he was unconscious, he fall on sleep at Cathcart, August 29th, 1902, in the 46th year of his age and the 22nd year of his Ministry. >From Minutes of Wesleyan Conference 1903 Page 8 Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/07/2011 12:08:08
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] JOHN EASTTY DICKERSON
    2. Heather Hall
    3. Dear Listers,   I wonder whether anyone is able to enlighten me on the emi/immigration (Britain to South Africa) of my Great-Grandfather, JOHN EASTTY DICKERSON?   His father, THOMAS GOOSE DICKERSON, departed Britain with his 2nd wife & some of his children in Sept 1861, but I can't find any evidence of John Eastty Dickerson's departure. JE's father & family landed in the Eastern Cape, so I'm presuming that he also arrived in South Africa in that region. JE was living & working in Kimberley, Northern Cape when my Grandmother was born in 1888. The story goes that he also died there, a few years later.   I'd be most grateful for any info that you're able to offer.   Thanks very much.   Kind regards,   Heather Huebsch Hall.

    11/07/2011 12:05:25
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Wesleyan Minister Obituaries No 27 Thomas SPARGO (1857-1902)
    2. Darryl Allwright (Yahoo)
    3. Hi   Obituary of Rev. Thomas SPARGO (1857-1902)   Thomas SPARGO, was born at Chacewater, Cornwall, in the year 1857. He was converted to God in 1871 and after two years' experience as a Local Preacher was accepted as a candidate for the Ministry and designated for the Institution and Foreign work. At Richmond College he greatly impressed his fellow-students by his deep spirituality and brotherly kindness. He was sent to South Africa in 1881 and in the several circuits where he travelled he was in labours most abundant. In Molteno, Seymour, Salem, Hilton and Cathcart he will long be remembered as a man of saintly character, a devoted pastor and a faithful and useful preacher of the Gospel. At Hilton the very fine boarding schools erected mainly through his jidicious and persistent efforts are his special memorial. Throughout his ministry he suffered the inconveniences of a weak physical constitution which entailed an extraordinary amount of self-denial and heroic endeavour in the prosecution of his beloved work. When he realised that the end was near he calmly set his house in order and waited for the call of the Master. After a week's illness, during which he was unconscious, he fall on sleep at Cathcart, August 29th, 1902, in the 46th year of his age and the 22nd year of his Ministry. From Minutes of Wesleyan Conference 1903 Page 8 Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779

    11/06/2011 11:11:21
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Wesleyan Minister Obituaries No 26 Charles HARMON (1832 - 1902)
    2. Darryl Allwright (Yahoo)
    3. Hi All   Obituary for Charles HARMON   Charles HARMON, was born at Andover, Hants, March 12th,1832. From the earliest days he was subject to religious influences and at eighteen years of age, under the ministration of an unknown local preacher, he found peace with God and joined the Methodist Church. He at once devoted himself to Evangelistic work and in the year 1862 was accepted as a Candidate for the ministry and was sent to South Africa. For the first three years of his ministry he was the colleque of the late REv. George BLENCOWE, and in 1874 he was appointed by the Natal Synod to share in the honour and responsibility of establishing the work of our Church in what is now the Orange River Colony. He spent almost all the remaining years of his life in that province where he was instrumental in erecting many places of worship and where his labours were owned of God in the conversion of many souls. He became a supernumerary in 1902, when he made his home in Durban, where his ministrations were greatly appreciated and many further years of usefulness and hapiness were anticipated for him. He was a good man, faithful in life and doctrine; courteous and friendly in manner; earnest and industrious throughout his whole ministry, and respected and loved by all who knew him. He was on a visit to Bloemfontein when he was seized by brief and fatal illness. He died December 24th, 1902. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1903 Page 7-8  Transcribed by   Darryl Allwright P O Box 166 Grahamstown South Africa 6140 Tel: 046-622-8134 Cell: 076-091-2764 Fax: 086-513-3779 darryl.allwright@yahoo.com

    11/06/2011 10:45:14
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Newdigate Halford Marriott BURNE
    2. Terry Walsh
    3. Greeting from Perth, Western Australia I am looking for the death dates and place of Newdigate Halford Marriott BURNE born in Queensland and served with the Army in South Africa. His son was Newdigate Owen Malcolm BURNE. Newdigate Halford Marriott BURNE was highly decorated soldier. I lost contact with two of his granddaughters quite a few years ago and am also hopeful they will contact me. Their names were Margaret and Barbara (nee BURNE) daughters of Newdigate Owen Malcolm BURNE. Look forward to hearing anything about this line in South Africa Kind regards Terry Walsh Bayswater WA 6053 "Genealogy is like hide and seek. They hide, I seek!"

    11/06/2011 10:53:55
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Montfort/Montford family
    2. Hi listers If anyone is interested in the above family name originating on the West Coast (specifically Churchhaven/Schrywershoek) and what appears to be of French descent, I have just received church death/birth and marriages records which I will be transcribing soon onto a spreadsheet for various family members. Please contact me offlist if you wish to received the information at claudine@vanwyk.co.za cheers Claudine

    11/05/2011 06:35:32
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Act 16/14
    2. David and Mary Bossenger
    3. Hi, The CS no doubt stood for contra section 9 of the act. I have used that abbreviation before in the military field wrt transgressions ie CS 14a AWOL instead of "Contra section 14a Absence without leave" Regards, David B Thanks, David. I'd managed to find that too, but couldn't see the relevance, or find CS 9 (or any sections, let alone Section?9, if that's what "CS 9" represents). Cheers, John

    11/05/2011 05:21:35
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ?
    2. John Deare
    3. My Durban contact says this marriage is not in Natal registers. JohnD -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jgentry@bell.net Sent: 05 November 2011 01:33 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ? Hi List, NZ records show that William Chalmers LEISHMAN & Margaret Isabella WADE married in South Africa in 1907.. probably Durban. They had one child in South Africa before migrating to New Zealand. This marriage does not seem to have been registered with the UK authorities in South Africa. How can the marriage be traced ? Looking forward to your advice. CheersJonathan in Toronto, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4595 - Release Date: 11/04/11

    11/05/2011 02:41:55
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Jochem Koekemoer
    2. Richard Ball
    3. Hello Johann, JH> Using his name (with alternative spellings), his family name (with JH> alternative spellings), his place of origin, etc, all as separate JH> search criteria at VOC Opvarenden, failed to find him at all as JH> arriving on a VOC ship. JH> I have also searched the VOC Ships Register for all ships built JH> between 1680 and 1709, but could not find any ship that docked at JH> Cape Town on or around the date he was supposed to disembark And I wrote earlier: JH> As he appears in the muster rolls of 1713 for the first time as a JH> free man http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/1713/mr_1713_intro.htm JH> and the piece that Andre Groenewald quoted (from an unpublished book) JH> is so specific about when he landed and that he was employed by the JH> VOC , I suppose the next place to look would be the muster rolls of JH> VOC employees from 1709 to 1712 (Cape Archives VC 40). These usually JH> do record place of birth and rank. By chance I have learned from a friend that these muster rolls have been transcribed and are (apparently) available on a disc produced by the TEPC Project (Transcription of Estate Papers of the Cape of Good Hope - a joint project of the Universities of the Western Cape and Cape Town in partnership with the Cape Town Archives Repository and the Nationaal Archief in The Hague) He has checked this for me and reports: >> nothing remotly resembling Koekemoer ... So we are still in the dark. As I understand it, not all VOC ships records have survived but if he were a VOC employee landing at the Cape one would have expected him to have been listed in the muster rolls taken there. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

    11/05/2011 01:40:46
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ?
    2. Emjay-Vista
    3. Hi Jonathan Do you know if there is any connection with Margaret Isabella WADE and a George Percival WADE who married a Mary Isabella WATTRUS in Tsomo, Transkei c 1908? Regards Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <jgentry@bell.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:33 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ? > > Hi List, NZ records show that William Chalmers LEISHMAN & Margaret > Isabella WADE married in South Africa in 1907.. probably Durban. They had > one child in South Africa before migrating to New Zealand. This marriage > does not seem to have been registered with the UK authorities in South > Africa. How can the marriage be traced ? Looking forward to your advice. > CheersJonathan in Toronto, Canada

    11/05/2011 12:50:58
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ?
    2. John Deare
    3. The Durban branch of GGSA has access to a database of early Natal marriages. JohnD -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jgentry@bell.net Sent: 05 November 2011 01:33 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ? Hi List, NZ records show that William Chalmers LEISHMAN & Margaret Isabella WADE married in South Africa in 1907.. probably Durban. They had one child in South Africa before migrating to New Zealand. This marriage does not seem to have been registered with the UK authorities in South Africa. How can the marriage be traced ? Looking forward to your advice. CheersJonathan in Toronto, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4595 - Release Date: 11/04/11

    11/04/2011 11:50:47
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ?
    2. Hi List, NZ records show that William Chalmers LEISHMAN & Margaret Isabella WADE married in South Africa in 1907.. probably Durban. They had one child in South Africa before migrating to New Zealand. This marriage does not seem to have been registered with the UK authorities in South Africa. How can the marriage be traced ? Looking forward to your advice. CheersJonathan in Toronto, Canada

    11/04/2011 05:33:03
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Books needed
    2. Colin
    3. Hi everyone I have an opportunity to have someone who is emigrating to Aus from SA at the end of November/mid December bring across some books which I can then digitise. If any of you have any books of genealogical/biographic/cultural-historic bent which you want to get rid of, please let me know. Regards Colin

    11/04/2011 04:41:53
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ?
    2. Keith Meintjes
    3. Jonathan, Your best bet is the church registers. Do you know the denomination? What records do you have of the child's birth or baptism? Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 07:36:11 PM EDT From: <jgentry@bell.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1907 Marriage ? Hi List, NZ records show that William Chalmers LEISHMAN & Margaret Isabella WADE married in South Africa in 1907.. probably Durban. They had one child in South Africa before migrating to New Zealand. This marriage does not seem to have been registered with the UK authorities in South Africa. How can the marriage be traced ? Looking forward to your advice. CheersJonathan in Toronto, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/04/2011 02:00:59
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] South African Law (CS 9 Act 16/14)
    2. Andrew Rodger
    3. I don't know what the CS 9 Act was, but it might be "Criminal Sentencing" or similar. "Until the rising of the court" is what would be awarded if the accused had already been in custody (i.e. awaiting trial) for longer than the standard sentence for the crime he was found guilty of. An option these days in English Law (as also in Australia where I live) might also be that the accused is found guilty but no conviction is recorded, i.e. the court might regard the offence as so trivial or the degree of guilt so slight that the accused should not have the permanent stain on his name that a recorded conviction would entail; this could happen in a case of conspiracy where some of the accused are regarded as having been "led" by the principal defendant, rather than having acted on their own initiative. On 4 Nov 2011, at 8:48 AM, John Wynne wrote: > Can any kind soul please help me with a bit of South African law? > I have found a list of previous convictions of a notorius relative, > which lists 5 offences he was tried for. > Four were for theft, and he was found guilty of all four, and > received hard labour. > In one instance in 1923 in Pretoria, though, the record says the > crime was "CS 9 Act 16/14", and the Judgement is left blank. The > sentence was "Until rising of Ct". > I assume that is until the rising of the court, but I don't know > what it really means in practice, or what the crime of "CS 9 Act > 16/14" involved. > Can anyone help? > Thanks & best wishes, > John Wynne > Cheshire, UK Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com

    11/04/2011 12:05:28
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Act 16 of 1914
    2. John Wynne
    3. Thanks, David. I'd managed to find that too, but couldn't see the relevance, or find CS 9 (or any sections, let alone Section 9, if that's what "CS 9" represents). Cheers, John >________________________________ >From: David and Mary Bossenger <dmbza@sonicmail.co.za> >To: south-africa@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 8:59 >Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Act 16 of 1914 > >Hi John, >Act 16 of 1914 was an act governing Justices of the Peace and Oaths.  I have >no insight into the contents but it was repealed in its entirety by Act 16 >of 1963 which covered the same subject. >Regards, >David Bossenger > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Can any kind soul please help me with a bit of South African law? >I have found a list of previous convictions of a notorius relative, which >lists 5 offences he was tried for. >Four were for theft, and he was found guilty of all four, and received hard >labour. >In one instance in 1923 in Pretoria, though, the record says the crime was >"CS 9 Act 16/14", and the Judgement is left blank. The sentence was "Until >rising of Ct". >I assume?that is until the rising of the court, but I don't know what it >really means in practice, or what the crime of "CS 9 Act 16/14" involved. >Can anyone help? >Thanks & best wishes, >John Wynne >Cheshire, UK > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

    11/04/2011 05:18:30
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Act 16 of 1914
    2. David and Mary Bossenger
    3. Hi John, Act 16 of 1914 was an act governing Justices of the Peace and Oaths. I have no insight into the contents but it was repealed in its entirety by Act 16 of 1963 which covered the same subject. Regards, David Bossenger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Can any kind soul please help me with a bit of South African law? I have found a list of previous convictions of a notorius relative, which lists 5 offences he was tried for. Four were for theft, and he was found guilty of all four, and received hard labour. In one instance in 1923 in Pretoria, though, the record says the crime was "CS 9 Act 16/14", and the Judgement is left blank. The sentence was "Until rising of Ct". I assume?that is until the rising of the court, but I don't know what it really means in practice, or what the crime of "CS 9 Act 16/14" involved. Can anyone help? Thanks & best wishes, John Wynne Cheshire, UK

    11/04/2011 04:59:15
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] South African Law (CS 9 Act 16/14)
    2. John Wynne
    3. Can any kind soul please help me with a bit of South African law? I have found a list of previous convictions of a notorius relative, which lists 5 offences he was tried for. Four were for theft, and he was found guilty of all four, and received hard labour. In one instance in 1923 in Pretoria, though, the record says the crime was "CS 9 Act 16/14", and the Judgement is left blank. The sentence was "Until rising of Ct". I assume that is until the rising of the court, but I don't know what it really means in practice, or what the crime of "CS 9 Act 16/14" involved. Can anyone help? Thanks & best wishes, John Wynne Cheshire, UK

    11/03/2011 03:48:22
    1. [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekrmoer
    2. Sonia van Heerden
    3. Dear Richard Thank you for the information below. Yes, the inventory is for the grandson, who is also an ancestor of my husband's. I guess the ethnicity of the stamvader is still up in the air. I will have to keep it as unknown, either Dutch of German. Sonia ------------------------------- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:02:07 +0000 > From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer > To: Sonia van Heerden <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <433560805.20111101140207@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Sonia, > > Saturday, October 29, 2011, 9:00:06 PM, you wrote: > > SvH> For Joechem KOEKEMOER I have > > ... inventory, MOOC 8/14.47b; > > Checking further I see I had found this inventory, but it is clear > that it is for Jochem Koekemoer the younger, grandson of Jochem > Koekemoer the founding father: > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I237.html > > There are two parts to the inventory, a and b - the a part lists his > wife and children, the b his animals. The a inventory itself can be > found here: > > http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/main_article.cfm?id=MOOC8%2F14%2E47a&freesearchkey=1773%2D03%2D19 > > > Thank you, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 305 > ********************************************

    11/02/2011 05:34:50
    1. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer
    2. Johann Hanekom
    3. Hi All Since Joachim is one of my direct line ancestors I am also interested in getting to the real facts. Using his name (with alternative spellings), his family name (with alternative spellings), his place of origin, etc, all as separate search criteria at VOC Opvarenden, failed to find him at all as arriving on a VOC ship. I have also searched the VOC Ships Register for all ships built between 1680 and 1709, but could not find any ship that docked at Cape Town on or around the date he was supposed to disembark Regrettably I could only deepen the mystery surrounding him :-( Johann -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of south-africa-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 02 November 2011 07:01 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 305 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Koekemoe (Richard Ball) 2. Re: Koekemoe (Keith Meintjes) 3. Re: Koekemoe (Richard Ball) 4. Re: Koekemoer (Richard Ball) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:57:47 +0000 From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoe To: Keith Meintjes <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1188680175.20111101095747@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Keith, KM> I looked at the Familia index and did not find Koekemoer. I do KM> not have the capability to do a text search on the contents. That KM> may help. Thanks. No, I don't have that facility either. As he appears in the muster rolls of 1713 for the first time as a free man http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/1713/mr_1713_intro.htm and the piece that Andre Groenewald quoted (from an unpublished book) is so specific about when he landed and that he was employed by the VOC , I suppose the next place to look would be the muster rolls of VOC employees from 1709 to 1712 (Cape Archives VC 40). These usually do record place of birth and rank. Unfortunately I do not have access to those and the Cape Archives does not allow one to have them photographed. So it will have to rest as unsolved at the moment. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:12:45 -0400 From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoe To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <907PkakLt9840S02.1320142365@web02.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 He is in Colenbrander's "De Afkomst de Boeren" (p. 40) as 1717; Jochem Koekemoer; Duitschland(?) which is clearly a guess based on his marriage record. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:03:14 AM EDT From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> To: Keith Meintjes <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoe Hello Keith, KM> I looked at the Familia index and did not find Koekemoer. I do KM> not have the capability to do a text search on the contents. That KM> may help. Thanks. No, I don't have that facility either. As he appears in the muster rolls of 1713 for the first time as a free man http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/1713/mr_1713_intro.htm and the piece that Andre Groenewald quoted (from an unpublished book) is so specific about when he landed and that he was employed by the VOC , I suppose the next place to look would be the muster rolls of VOC employees from 1709 to 1712 (Cape Archives VC 40). These usually do record place of birth and rank. Unfortunately I do not have access to those and the Cape Archives does not allow one to have them photographed. So it will have to rest as unsolved at the moment. Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:44:03 +0000 From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoe To: Keith Meintjes <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1704244775.20111101114403@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Keith, KM> He is in Colenbrander's "De Afkomst de Boeren" (p. 40) as KM> 1717; Jochem Koekemoer; Duitschland(?) KM> which is clearly a guess based on his marriage record. Maybe, but I can't find any marriage record in the Cape Town or Stellenbosch or Drakenstein (dating only from 1717) marriage registers for Jochem Koekemoer and Maria Putters. The marriage most probably took place around 1715 (given the baptism date of their first child) and in the Drakenstein(Paarl) church (since it cannot be found in Cape Town or Stellenbosch) and also since Maria Putters' mother and stepfather were living in Drakenstein from 1714 onwards, http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I064.html but the Drakenstein marriage records prior to 1717 have been missing since the early 18th century, as I understand it. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:02:07 +0000 From: Richard Ball <richardonrootsweb@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koekemoer To: Sonia van Heerden <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <433560805.20111101140207@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Sonia, Saturday, October 29, 2011, 9:00:06 PM, you wrote: SvH> For Joechem KOEKEMOER I have ... inventory, MOOC 8/14.47b; Checking further I see I had found this inventory, but it is clear that it is for Jochem Koekemoer the younger, grandson of Jochem Koekemoer the founding father: http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I237.html There are two parts to the inventory, a and b - the a part lists his wife and children, the b his animals. The a inventory itself can be found here: http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/main_article.cfm?id=MOOC8%2F14%2E47a&freesea rchkey=1773%2D03%2D19 Thank you, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 305 ********************************************

    11/02/2011 03:47:40