The answer to all your questions are YES. Will recommened you make use of the the services offered by eGGSA at the following link: http://www.eggsa.org/sales/help_archive_docs.htm The researchers take excellent photographs and their response time is normally not more than three weeks. However, you need to search for the index of the documents needed at the following link: http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl Regards Nantes Kruger On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Ian van Zyl <ian111@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Has anyone been to the National Archives in Pretoria of late? > Are they fully operational? > Are researchers able to access all the files? > Thanks > Veronica in Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Nantes Kruger Moreleta Park PRETORIA

Has anyone been to the National Archives in Pretoria of late? Are they fully operational? Are researchers able to access all the files? Thanks Veronica in Canada

Hi   Obituary of Robert LAMLPOUGH   Robert LAMPLOUGH was born in Derby, May 1833. His parents were devout and active Methodists and he was reared in an invigorating Christian atmosphere. Several years of his early life, spent in acquiring a practical knowledge of banking business, gave him that experience in financial matters which has since proved so valuable to the Church.     Converted as a lad, he becan to preach at seventeen years of age and was accepted by the Conference of 1855, being sent forthwith to this country. His early educational advantages qualified him for immediate service. He spent the first six years at Grahamstown, whwere his Ministry opened with special manifestations of his Divine call, and for many years, both in European and Native Circuits, he was much homoured of God with Evangelistic success. He was privileged to start the Native Institution at Heald Town in 1867, the beginning of the Training of our Native Ministry. His Kaffir name "Vuindhla"- "the way opener"- expresses in word the Native estimate of his service and of his whole Missionary career.     In 1878 he paid his first and only return visit to his native land, and in less than a year he was back again in South Africa to labour until death. Appointed Chairman and General Superintendent of the Queenstown Diustrict, he showed in his discharge of his wider pastoral duties the same fatherly interest in all the Ministers of his District which he had already taken in the Probationers ond younger Ministers of his various Circuits. They were members of his larger family.     It was in Queenstown that his much cherished scheme for a South African Book-Room became an accomplished fact, and it flourished there until removed to Cape Town in 1900, where it has become an even greater success.     He fulfilled the onerous position of Secretary to the Triennial Meetings from their start in 1873, and in 1883 became the Secretary of the first South African Conference. From its formation in 1887 until his death he was the Treasurer of the Missionary Society of our Church, and also rendered exceptional service in the institution of other Funds incidental to our Connexional economy.     In all these positions his great executive ability found full scope, yet withal he ever remained the gracious, simple-hearted friend and counsellor to his brethren old and young.     In the list of Presidents of the South African Conference his name appears twice - Kimberley 1887, Kimberley 1902. Thus did his bretheren pay tribute to him whom they delighted to honour.     His business abilities and the many and varied demands upon his time and energy were not permitted to lessen his sense of the importance of things Spiritual, and it was ever with him an unfailing duty and joy to maintain the life of the soul by reading the choicest devotional literature and by communion with his God. At the Conference of 1905 he received permission to become a Supernumerary, but ere the Connexional year had closed, he passed at dawn on June 8th to the higher service, in the 73rd year of his age and the 50th of his Ministry. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1906 pages7 & 8   Transcribed by   Darryl Allwright darryl.allwright@yahoo.com

Hi All   Obituary of John SIKWEBU       John SIKWEBU was born in the Peddie district about 70 years ago. His conversion from heatenism to Chrictianity was striking, unmistakable and thorough. For about 40 years afterwards he served his Master, Christ, with steadfast devotion, first as an Evangelist and teacher, then as a Minister. In the year 1871 he was appointed to the Amatole Basin Circuit. After 3 years he was moved to Grahamstown, where he spent 5 years; for one year he was stationed at Kingwilliamstown, after which he returned for 3 years to his first Circuit, thus spending 12 years of his life in the Ministry. The remaining 20 years of his life were spent as a supernumeracy, partly at Tsomo and partly in his native district at Tuku. It is a pathetic fact that after 19 years of supernumeracy, he died in effect, though not technically, in the full work. At the conference of 1902 it was thought that his strenth warranted the Tuku Circuit appointment being left unfilled on the understanding that he , though a supernumeracy, would be able to take charge of the Circuit under the Superintendent. But after two quarters it was evident that his strengh was unequal to the task. However he held on doggedly, and died the day his accessor arrived in the district. John SIKWEBU's character was a witness for Christ, the value of which is impossible to estimate. Alike among Europeans and all classes of Natives he was recognised as a true man and a real christian. As the head of a large family he was strict almost to severity, but he was pre-eminently wise in his decisions, so that those on whom he enforced his will rarely regretted their obedience. His name is, both to the narrower circle of his family and the wider circle of the Church, a precious legacy of b;lessing and encouragement. From: Minutes of Wesleyan Methodist Conference 1904 Pages 8 & 9 Transcribed by  Darryl Allwright darryl.allwright@yahoo.com

Dorri I was VERY precise and even stated that I wanted a vault certified copy. That was 18 months ago, and still nothing. Lucky (and it seems I need more than my nick name :<) ) > > Some years ago my father applied for a copy of his father's birth > certificate (1897)...they sent him the short form...ie the one without the > details of his parents etc. His request for the full certificate fell on > very stoney ground. > > So be precise in exactly what you want. > > Best of luck, > > Dorri > >

Good Evening all, The recent posts on grandfather's have given me new hope with my brick wall. My grandfather Wynand Johannes PRETORIUS b.10 Jul 1898 @ Ventersdorp, X 2 Oct 1923 @ Ventersdorp, d. 25 Dec 1955 @ Johannesburg. No marriage certificate as the NG church had a fire in the late 1920's His death certificate states only his father's name, which is the same as his. so he might be the 1st born son? His first 3 children: 1st a girl, carries the maternal grand mother's name, 2nd a boy, Peter Johannes, 3rd a girl, my mother Jacomina Jacoba, which I feel should be the paternal grandmother's names, so I went in search of a Jacomina Jacoba married to a PRETORIUS and with a son named Wynand Johannes. I found one, BUT the PRETORIUS experts feel that he is the son of one of the older siblings and not of the parents. What's to do? what records to search for? This is my brick wall. Any suggestions PLEASE. Lucky

Ivan, Have you contacted the Africana Library in Kimberley? africana[at]solplaatje.org.za Campbell is a well-known name in Kimberley, they should have quite a bit of information for you. Johan. On 23/11/2011, Irfaan Harris <irfaan.harris@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for my second cousins  (Children of Lachie Campbell and Mabel > White) as I have lots of photos of the Campbells from 1800 and 1900's to > identify. - And to make contact. > My grandmother was Marion Harris 1899 to 1980 and her brother was  Lachlan > Macquarrie Campbell (1891 - 1940) Married to Mabel White (b1892) > Children of Lachie and Mabel: > Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy) > Fiona Ken > Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn and > Loreen > Aieleen Bereetzke (nee Campbell) - I am already in Contact with the > Breedzke's > > I will be most grateful for any information. > > Regards > Ivan William Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rod, I have a direct Aucamp line in my family - Northern Cape around Kimberley. Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of First name Last name Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 3:55 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com; south-africa-l@rootsweb.com; south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] My Families Good Morning, As suggested by list members I will place on the list a schedule of surnmaes linked to my family. Please bare in mind a great many of these are not my main area of research but have been found whilst looking for other members. Any queries I will try to answer as best I can. Constructive criticism is most welcome so long as it can benefit other list users as well. Regards, Rod g Names Aase Aasen Abbott Abernethey Abernethy Abery Ablett Abrahamse Abrahamson Ackerman Acton Acutt Adam Adams Adendorf adendroff adlam adlington-Corfield Adriaanne Aereboc Aereboe Aggenbach Ahman Ainsley Akerman Alant Alberts Albertyn Albut Albutt Alcock Adrich Aldam Alexander Alford Algie Alison Allan Allen Allison Allsop Allwright Almeida Alsing Ambrose Amos Andersen Anderson Andreasen Andreka Andrew Andrews Andriessen angus Annan Ansell Anthony Appel Appelcringe Arangie Arch Archer Archer-Isaac Arde Arkenhout Arlar Armitage Armstrong Arndt Arnold Arnot Arpesella Arrow Arthur Areundel(Burton) Ashby Asher Ashford Ashley Ashton Ashwell Aspland Astin Athannasion Atkins Atkinson Attwell Aucamp Andie Auld Auret Austin Avis Ayliff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://hyperfacts.com/1429897 More about Koffiefontein, Hetta Scholtz -----Original Message----- From: First name Last name Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:58 PM To: south-africa-l@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-easterncape@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koffifontein Concentration Camp Good Afternoon to all, I was reading about the infamous spy we had in the S.A.Navy Commodore Gerhardt who mentioned as one of his points of disillusionment the treatment of pow's in the Koffiefontein Concentration camp. Could anyone let me know if this camp was only used during the second Boer War, or was it used in WW 1 or WW2? Alos is there somewhere a list of who was interred there. Thanks in advance. Rod g ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4633 - Release Date: 11/22/11

Good Afternoon to all, I was reading about the infamous spy we had in the S.A.Navy Commodore Gerhardt who mentioned as one of his points of disillusionment the treatment of pow's in the Koffiefontein Concentration camp. Could anyone let me know if this camp was only used during the second Boer War, or was it used in WW 1 or WW2? Alos is there somewhere a list of who was interred there. Thanks in advance. Rod g

Hello Ivan Ken Campbell worked in De Beers as an electrician. On retirement he and his wife moved to FishHoek in the Cape where they stayed with or near to their daughter-in-law. His wife was a Miss Jean or June Crook. Ken was an excellent swimmer and as a small boy I remember going to Swimming Galas at the Kenilworth Swimming bath and seeing him take part. There was great competition between him and another chap Bruce Gates. The galas held on a Friday or Saturday evening were very popular and over and above the swimming they offered the citizens of Kimberley a cool spot to escape the heat. If you would like his work records e-mail the De Beers Archivist at charmaine.mcclean@debeersgroup.com Basil Brown -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johan Dorey-Venter Sent: 23 November 2011 01:59 PM To: Irfaan Harris; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Campbells originally from Kimberley RSA / Salen Islay Scotland Ivan, Have you contacted the Africana Library in Kimberley? africana[at]solplaatje.org.za Campbell is a well-known name in Kimberley, they should have quite a bit of information for you. Johan. On 23/11/2011, Irfaan Harris <irfaan.harris@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for my second cousins  (Children of Lachie Campbell and Mabel > White) as I have lots of photos of the Campbells from 1800 and 1900's to > identify. - And to make contact. > My grandmother was Marion Harris 1899 to 1980 and her brother was  Lachlan > Macquarrie Campbell (1891 - 1940) Married to Mabel White (b1892) > Children of Lachie and Mabel: > Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy) > Fiona Ken > Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn and > Loreen > Aieleen Bereetzke (nee Campbell) - I am already in Contact with the > Breedzke's > > I will be most grateful for any information. > > Regards > Ivan William Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4633 - Release Date: 11/22/11

Rod, As far as I know it was only used during WWII. One of my grandfathers brothers was interned there. Unfortunately I know nothing else. Regards Stoffel Willemse Kroonstad, Vrystaat -----Original Message----- From: "First name Last name" <rodg@tiscali.co.za> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:58:21 To: south-africa-l@rootsweb.com<south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>; south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com<south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com>; south-africa-easterncape@rootsweb.com<south-africa-easterncape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koffifontein Concentration Camp Good Afternoon to all, I was reading about the infamous spy we had in the S.A.Navy Commodore Gerhardt who mentioned as one of his points of disillusionment the treatment of pow's in the Koffiefontein Concentration camp. Could anyone let me know if this camp was only used during the second Boer War, or was it used in WW 1 or WW2? Alos is there somewhere a list of who was interred there. Thanks in advance. Rod g ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You should look for his baptism in these films: https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/library_catalog#searchType=catalog&filtered=true&fed=false&collectionId=&catSearchType=place&searchCriteria=&placeName=South+Africa,+Transvaal,+Ventersdorp&author_givenName=&author_surname=&subjectCountTotal=1&uri=http%3A//catalog-search-api%3A8080/www-catalogapi-webservice/search%3Fquery%3Dsubject_id%3A602884%26count%3D50&subjectId=602884 There does not seem to be a gap in the registers. > His death certificate states only his father's name, which is > the same as his. so he might be the 1st born son? No, not in general. Here is the naming pattern: http://eggsa.org/articles/MeintjesAndRudolph-TraditionalNamingPatterns.htm Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:06:25 PM EST From: "laquita belinfante" <belinfante@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Missing Mother Good Evening all, The recent posts on grandfather's have given me new hope with my brick wall. My grandfather Wynand Johannes PRETORIUS b.10 Jul 1898 @ Ventersdorp, X 2 Oct 1923 @ Ventersdorp, d. 25 Dec 1955 @ Johannesburg. No marriage certificate as the NG church had a fire in the late 1920's His death certificate states only his father's name, which is the same as his. so he might be the 1st born son? His first 3 children: 1st a girl, carries the maternal grand mother's name, 2nd a boy, Peter Johannes, 3rd a girl, my mother Jacomina Jacoba, which I feel should be the paternal grandmother's names, so I went in search of a Jacomina Jacoba married to a PRETORIUS and with a son named Wynand Johannes. I found one, BUT the PRETORIUS experts feel that he is the son of one of the older siblings and not of the parents. What's to do? what records to search for? This is my brick wall. Any suggestions PLEASE. Lucky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Basil Thank you very much. Which of the 3 Kens do you refer to?  I guess Ken born 1932? > Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy), Fiona and  Ken > Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn Yes I remember the changing rooms and the wire baskets for your clothes.. The big pool and the DEEEEEP diving pool. I was born in 1960, and must have been pretty much the same - and I guess almost the same now? let me look on wikimapia..... http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=-28.7406078&lon=24.7729897&z=17&l=0&m=b   yep the same!!! but the botanical gardens look bad, rundown, and i note the mine has been filled !!!! St Georges Boy Scouts building still there....(But I know Sea Scouts has gone, not even a mention of it on the WWW!!!!! now a fishing club...   Thanks once again. Ivan (in Saudi Arabia) ________________________________ From: Basil Brown <bgbrown@absamail.co.za> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Campbells originally from Kimberley RSA / Salen Islay Scotland Hello Ivan Ken Campbell worked in De Beers as an electrician. On retirement he and his wife moved to FishHoek in the Cape where they stayed with or near to their daughter-in-law. His wife was a Miss Jean or June Crook. Ken was an excellent swimmer and as a small boy I remember going to Swimming Galas at the Kenilworth Swimming bath and seeing him take part. There was great competition between him and another chap Bruce Gates. The galas held on a Friday or Saturday evening were very popular and over and above the swimming they offered the citizens of Kimberley a cool spot to escape the heat. If you would like his work records e-mail the De Beers Archivist at charmaine.mcclean@debeersgroup.com Basil Brown -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johan Dorey-Venter Sent: 23 November 2011 01:59 PM To: Irfaan Harris; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Campbells originally from Kimberley RSA / Salen Islay Scotland Ivan, Have you contacted the Africana Library in Kimberley? africana[at]solplaatje.org.za Campbell is a well-known name in Kimberley, they should have quite a bit of information for you. Johan. On 23/11/2011, Irfaan Harris <irfaan.harris@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for my second cousins  (Children of Lachie Campbell and Mabel > White) as I have lots of photos of the Campbells from 1800 and 1900's to > identify. - And to make contact. > My grandmother was Marion Harris 1899 to 1980 and her brother was  Lachlan > Macquarrie Campbell (1891 - 1940) Married to Mabel White (b1892) > Children of Lachie and Mabel: > Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy) > Fiona Ken > Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn and > Loreen > Aieleen Bereetzke (nee Campbell) - I am already in Contact with the > Breedzke's > > I will be most grateful for any information. > > Regards > Ivan William Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4633 - Release Date: 11/22/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message    

Good Morning, As suggested by list members I will place on the list a schedule of surnmaes linked to my family. Please bare in mind a great many of these are not my main area of research but have been found whilst looking for other members. Any queries I will try to answer as best I can. Constructive criticism is most welcome so long as it can benefit other list users as well. Regards, Rod g Names Aase Aasen Abbott Abernethey Abernethy Abery Ablett Abrahamse Abrahamson Ackerman Acton Acutt Adam Adams Adendorf adendroff adlam adlington-Corfield Adriaanne Aereboc Aereboe Aggenbach Ahman Ainsley Akerman Alant Alberts Albertyn Albut Albutt Alcock Adrich Aldam Alexander Alford Algie Alison Allan Allen Allison Allsop Allwright Almeida Alsing Ambrose Amos Andersen Anderson Andreasen Andreka Andrew Andrews Andriessen angus Annan Ansell Anthony Appel Appelcringe Arangie Arch Archer Archer-Isaac Arde Arkenhout Arlar Armitage Armstrong Arndt Arnold Arnot Arpesella Arrow Arthur Areundel(Burton) Ashby Asher Ashford Ashley Ashton Ashwell Aspland Astin Athannasion Atkins Atkinson Attwell Aucamp Andie Auld Auret Austin Avis Ayliff

All, Due to an order mixup, I have an extra copy of this book. Shelagh O'Brien Spencer, British Settlers In Natal Volume 3: Bond - Byrne See, for example: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=5054864415&afn_sr=para&para_l=0 It is available for US$5 plus postage. Postage outside North America (I am in Michigan, USA) is likely prohibitive. The book is new, never read. If you are interested, please contact me off list. Thank you, Keith

Evening all I have been trying to track down the author Johannes Petrus Claasen -author of i.a. "Die Sieketroosters in Suid-Afrika" & "Jerusalemgangers" - for quite some time now. If anyone has contact details (either of him or his next of kin), I would appreciate it if you could contact me on above email address Regards Colin

Hello   I am looking for my second cousins  (Children of Lachie Campbell and Mabel White) as I have lots of photos of the Campbells from 1800 and 1900's to identify. - And to make contact. My grandmother was Marion Harris 1899 to 1980 and her brother was  Lachlan Macquarrie Campbell (1891 - 1940) Married to Mabel White (b1892) Children of Lachie and Mabel: Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy) Fiona Ken Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn and Loreen Aieleen Bereetzke (nee Campbell) - I am already in Contact with the Breedzke's   I will be most grateful for any information.   Regards Ivan William Harris

Some years ago my father applied for a copy of his father's birth certificate (1897)...they sent him the short form...ie the one without the details of his parents etc. His request for the full certificate fell on very stoney ground. So be precise in exactly what you want. Best of luck, Dorri ---------------------------------------- > From: martruss@mailweb.co.za > To: vivsmith@hotmail.com; south-africa@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:01:28 +0200 > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Marriage Records > > Hi Viv > I have applied a couple of times for my father's birth record (1907) but it has never been found. My aunt was born in 1905 and I got her cert with no problems, my grandfather seems to have been very conscientious and was the person who helped everyone else in the family with official paperwork, so in my opinion the chances of my dad not being registered are remote. I think the document has been misfiled. > > Perhaps you could hunt down a church record. > > Good luck! > Eileen > Richards Bay

It appears you missed the point completely. I apologies for miss using the word Caucasian, a word commonly used which refers to 'white' people. However, a fact is still a fact. Lynette from OZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:10 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Ethnic Percentages > On 22 Nov 2011 at 10:30, Kevin and Lynette wrote: > >> Recently settled by other countries by mainly Caucasian people.. The >> Aboriginals have been living in Australia for tens of thousands of years >> and >> the Africans in Africa since time in memorial. The American Indian also >> native to North America. It is only since white invasion that these >> ancient >> lands became 'new'!!!!!!!!!!!! A sensitive point to all ethnic groups who >> were >> not even considered citizens of their own land in all the countries you >> mention until reently. Lynette from OZ > > The "Caucasian people" seems to be an odd kind of myth that has spead > around, > apparently from some French traveller in the 18th or 19th century who > claimed > that Caucasian people were the most beautiful that he had encountered in > his > travels, and since then nearly everyone in Europe (and their offshoots in > places like the USA) has been trying to claim Caucasian ancestry. Joe > Stalin > was a Caucasian, so I suppose if you consider him beautiful, you could > claim > Caucasian ancestry. > > But I believe that there are more than 40 different languages in Caucasia, > most of them mutually unintelligible, and some of them belonging to > completely different language families, so ethnically the Caucasians are > themselves a pretty mixed bunch. And since Caucasia straddles the boundary > between Europe and Asia, some of them are Asian and some European. > > It really does seem an odd designation to claim. > > In my researches all my ancestors have been from the UK, back (in some > branches) to the 16th century, and not a single Caucasian among them. > Perhaps > DNA tests might reveal Caucasian ancestry. > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message