All, Sir Andries Stockenstrom died in London on 18 March 1864, and is interred at Kensal Green cemetery in west London, England. If anyone knows about any memorial to him at Kensal Green, I would appreciate the information. Best wishes, Keith

I agree, let sleeping dogs lie or ALL will be lost. >From someone longing for the day when she can attend ALL the Archives and at least take photos in most of them. Sincerely, Lynette from OZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Rodger" <rodgera@audioio.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:25 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria > On 25 Nov 2011, at 6:24 AM, nantes kruger wrote: > >> Will recommend that you rather take photos of the docs.....we are >> lucky >> that we can in Pta and the other archives unlike in the Cape >> Archives were >> the only options is the make copies.(although my waiting time for >> these are >> normally not more than 4 weeks). I am also full time employed and >> have to >> carefully plan my spare time to hop in for an hour at the archives. >> If you >> forward your request per email in advance to >> enquiries2@dac.gov.za<enquiries2@dac.gov.za> then >> your files are ready and your can peruse and snap very quickly. >> Never had a >> problem with the staff......although one needs to respect the rules >> of the >> reading room. It is a waste of waiting for copies...........rather >> print >> them our from your pics.........much quicker ! > > I find it more than slightly ridiculous that the various archives > have different rules about taking photographs. I wonder whether it > is possible to approach the relevant Government Department to see if > uniform rules can be arrived at. (I assume central Government, since > the various branches of the Archives have never aligned exactly with > provincial boundaries and the changes in number and boundaries should > therefore make no difference to the Archives.) > > The reason why photography is discouraged is the fear of damage to > the sometimes fragile documents (especially those older hand-written > papers on which the ink is fading due to exposure to light). But in > these days, with advanced digital cameras yielding excellent results > even in very poor light with minimal exposure times and without use > of a flash, it should be possible to draw up sensible rules based on > the camera specifications. > > For example, I have a Panasonic, model DMC-FZ8, 7.1 MP (about three > years old), with a Leica Elmarit f/2.8 - 3.3 aperture zoom lens, full > manual over-ride of automatic functions and a tripod mount, whose > built-in flash operates only if the flash button is pressed to > (mechanically) open the flash unit, and even then it will operate > only if it is needed. Current models are around 12 MP and above. It > would be perfectly feasible to mount this on the kind of stand used > for photographing books and documents, and to allow its use only if > the flash is not opened, as long as the shutter can be operated on a > timer to give a long exposure. I have used this in various Churches > in the UK and Canada where photography is forbidden, without > attracting attention, to avoid having to pack and carry postcards -- > not for documents, of course, merely for the architecture, even lying > flat on my back to capture splendid vaulted ceilings in the Round > Church in Cambridge and elsewhere; and I've done the same during > Church services. (I also took a picture a long time ago, with an old- > style SLR camera without flash, of the Annunciation in King's College > Chapel, without being challenged, though if I had stepped too close > to it all the alarms would have sounded -- these were installed after > an IRA fanatic took to the painting with a Skarsten scraper. That > camera, with its f/2 lens and exposure time of up to 1 minute, could > do almost anything, its only limitation being the need to use film.) > > If the Archives were to stipulate that the flash on the camera must > not be used, i.e. if it is automatic it must be suppressible (which > can readily be established by test), use of cameras could be allowed > without risk to the documents. Tripods and book-frames would of > course be up to the user. If the Cape Town Archives is not requiring > this now, but allowing any camera, the documents are at risk. One > has only to attend the Edinburgh Military Tattoo during the Festival > in August (or see it on TV) to know that all too many cameras fire > their flashes whether or not it will do any good, which on that vast > open Parade Ground it will not. Such cameras should not be allowed > anywhere near valuable and vulnerable documents. > > Andrew Rodger > rodgera@audioio.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25 Nov 2011, at 6:24 AM, nantes kruger wrote: > Will recommend that you rather take photos of the docs.....we are > lucky > that we can in Pta and the other archives unlike in the Cape > Archives were > the only options is the make copies.(although my waiting time for > these are > normally not more than 4 weeks). I am also full time employed and > have to > carefully plan my spare time to hop in for an hour at the archives. > If you > forward your request per email in advance to > enquiries2@dac.gov.za<enquiries2@dac.gov.za> then > your files are ready and your can peruse and snap very quickly. > Never had a > problem with the staff......although one needs to respect the rules > of the > reading room. It is a waste of waiting for copies...........rather > print > them our from your pics.........much quicker ! I find it more than slightly ridiculous that the various archives have different rules about taking photographs. I wonder whether it is possible to approach the relevant Government Department to see if uniform rules can be arrived at. (I assume central Government, since the various branches of the Archives have never aligned exactly with provincial boundaries and the changes in number and boundaries should therefore make no difference to the Archives.) The reason why photography is discouraged is the fear of damage to the sometimes fragile documents (especially those older hand-written papers on which the ink is fading due to exposure to light). But in these days, with advanced digital cameras yielding excellent results even in very poor light with minimal exposure times and without use of a flash, it should be possible to draw up sensible rules based on the camera specifications. For example, I have a Panasonic, model DMC-FZ8, 7.1 MP (about three years old), with a Leica Elmarit f/2.8 - 3.3 aperture zoom lens, full manual over-ride of automatic functions and a tripod mount, whose built-in flash operates only if the flash button is pressed to (mechanically) open the flash unit, and even then it will operate only if it is needed. Current models are around 12 MP and above. It would be perfectly feasible to mount this on the kind of stand used for photographing books and documents, and to allow its use only if the flash is not opened, as long as the shutter can be operated on a timer to give a long exposure. I have used this in various Churches in the UK and Canada where photography is forbidden, without attracting attention, to avoid having to pack and carry postcards -- not for documents, of course, merely for the architecture, even lying flat on my back to capture splendid vaulted ceilings in the Round Church in Cambridge and elsewhere; and I've done the same during Church services. (I also took a picture a long time ago, with an old- style SLR camera without flash, of the Annunciation in King's College Chapel, without being challenged, though if I had stepped too close to it all the alarms would have sounded -- these were installed after an IRA fanatic took to the painting with a Skarsten scraper. That camera, with its f/2 lens and exposure time of up to 1 minute, could do almost anything, its only limitation being the need to use film.) If the Archives were to stipulate that the flash on the camera must not be used, i.e. if it is automatic it must be suppressible (which can readily be established by test), use of cameras could be allowed without risk to the documents. Tripods and book-frames would of course be up to the user. If the Cape Town Archives is not requiring this now, but allowing any camera, the documents are at risk. One has only to attend the Edinburgh Military Tattoo during the Festival in August (or see it on TV) to know that all too many cameras fire their flashes whether or not it will do any good, which on that vast open Parade Ground it will not. Such cameras should not be allowed anywhere near valuable and vulnerable documents. Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com

On 28 Nov 2011 at 6:50, First name Last name wrote: > Good Morning to all, > In 2008 someone sent me a file on the Descendants of Robert PRINGLE. I have > been going through the file and come across some anomalies. Could someone > please assist: Page 58 Third child of Victor ferne Melbourne TAINTON is > Warwick "Peter" Melbourne TAINTON. In the wright up on his sporting career > mention is made his older half-brother Coventry Richard Melbourne TAINTON, Not having the document, it might be quite difficult. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

To all who may be interested. The following article appeared in the lastest edition of The Queen's College Old Boys News Letter. (Queen's College, Queenstown, South Africa) "Allan Wiggill (1944) and his wife Heather received a phone call from the Queen with regard the "Grandmother Wiggill 1820" Rose recently. This rose has been passed down to family members as cuttings from the original given to Elizabeth wife of Isaac Wiggill when they left for South Africa in 1820 and has now spread far and wide. The Queen commended Heather for her part in caring for the Rose." There was an article in the July 2011 edition of "The Gardener" by Hellen WIGGILL. This article tells the story of the Heritage Musk Rose and its enchanting history. I hope some body will find this interesting. Regards. Neil Holmes. ps Oh yes, I am an Old Queenian.

Coventry Richard Melbourne TAINTON, was the brother of Victor Ferne Melbourne TAINTON not his son. Victor Ferne Melbourne TAINTON maried twice: 1) Lydia Pringle ASHTON - they had 4 children (Nanette, Warwick "Peter Melbourne, Neil, & Ashton) 2) Mary Connellan - they had no children. Regards Veronica in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "First name Last name" <rodg@tiscali.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>; <south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com>; <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:50 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Pringle/Tainton/Ainslie/Hockly/Hall > Good Morning to all, > In 2008 someone sent me a file on the Descendants of Robert PRINGLE. I > have been going through the file and come across some anomalies. Could > someone please assist: > Page 58 Third child of Victor ferne Melbourne TAINTON is Warwick "Peter" > Melbourne TAINTON. In the wright up on his sporting career mention is made > his older half-brother Coventry Richard Melbourne TAINTON, also a > cricketer. My problem is that no mention is made of a second marriage of > his father. So who is the half brothers mother? > page 62. Jane Plenderleith ANSLIE has no children, per the transcript of > her DN, yet on page 63 mention is made that Alfred HOCKLY had children > with his second wife..who was she and who were the children? > Page 65 Maureen Millie HOCKLY married oliver Ewart HALL, son of Charles > Kenrick HALL and Jean Isobel GREAVES. I have a Charles Kenrick HALL b 1882 > d 16.07.1976 married to Emily Adeline SMITH, no dates. Is this possibly > the same Charles Kenrick? > Page 66/67 Alfred Ainslie HOCKLY was married to Emma Edwina Augusta > MEINTJIES but div her in 1932. He then mar Anna Maria Sophis NEL and had a > daughter Mary Ainslie HOCKLY b 05.01.1915. If Alfred only divorced in 1932 > is he the father of Mary, or is there a typo on the divorce date?(possibly > 1912?) > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > Regards to all, > > Rod g > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think the decision re photography was taken by an uninformed committee. We are fortunate in Natal that Archive Admin are aware of the Cape decision but so far have not chosen to implement the same. Someone needs to educate the Cape Officials because in the long run, educated use of photography will be far less damaging. I recently observed a 'learned professor' photocopying hundred of pages of some old file and shuddered at the thought of this thoughtless damage he was incurring. John -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hetta Scholtz Sent: 28 November 2011 08:07 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria Andrew, I think the feeling is to let sleeping dogs lie, before they prohibit the use of cameras in all the archives. Hetta Scholtz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4642 - Release Date: 11/27/11

Andrew, I think the feeling is to let sleeping dogs lie, before they prohibit the use of cameras in all the archives. Hetta Scholtz

Good Morning to all, In 2008 someone sent me a file on the Descendants of Robert PRINGLE. I have been going through the file and come across some anomalies. Could someone please assist: Page 58 Third child of Victor ferne Melbourne TAINTON is Warwick "Peter" Melbourne TAINTON. In the wright up on his sporting career mention is made his older half-brother Coventry Richard Melbourne TAINTON, also a cricketer. My problem is that no mention is made of a second marriage of his father. So who is the half brothers mother? page 62. Jane Plenderleith ANSLIE has no children, per the transcript of her DN, yet on page 63 mention is made that Alfred HOCKLY had children with his second wife..who was she and who were the children? Page 65 Maureen Millie HOCKLY married oliver Ewart HALL, son of Charles Kenrick HALL and Jean Isobel GREAVES. I have a Charles Kenrick HALL b 1882 d 16.07.1976 married to Emily Adeline SMITH, no dates. Is this possibly the same Charles Kenrick? Page 66/67 Alfred Ainslie HOCKLY was married to Emma Edwina Augusta MEINTJIES but div her in 1932. He then mar Anna Maria Sophis NEL and had a daughter Mary Ainslie HOCKLY b 05.01.1915. If Alfred only divorced in 1932 is he the father of Mary, or is there a typo on the divorce date?(possibly 1912?) Any assistance would be appreciated. Regards to all, Rod g

Andrew, I also believe we should let sleeping dogs lie. I believe the prohibition against photography at the KAB was a reaction against what was seen as copying documents for commercial purposes, and an excessive demand on their staff to retrieve documents. I was last at the KAB a few months ago, and it was a very pleasant experience. The staff was helpful and attentive. Yes, there were signs prohibiting the use of cameras and cell phones, but they made no big deal about it. I believe that the archive depots are more autonomous than they were before, and that a uniform policy is unlikely. If you do seek a uniform policy, then a prohibition against photography at all the archives is a likely result. Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:36:30 AM EST From: Andrew Rodger <rodgera@audioio.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria On 25 Nov 2011, at 6:24 AM, nantes kruger wrote: > Will recommend that you rather take photos of the docs.....we are > lucky > that we can in Pta and the other archives unlike in the Cape > Archives were > the only options is the make copies.(although my waiting time for > these are > normally not more than 4 weeks). I am also full time employed and > have to > carefully plan my spare time to hop in for an hour at the archives. > If you > forward your request per email in advance to > enquiries2@dac.gov.za<enquiries2@dac.gov.za> then > your files are ready and your can peruse and snap very quickly. > Never had a > problem with the staff......although one needs to respect the rules > of the > reading room. It is a waste of waiting for copies...........rather > print > them our from your pics.........much quicker ! I find it more than slightly ridiculous that the various archives have different rules about taking photographs. I wonder whether it is possible to approach the relevant Government Department to see if uniform rules can be arrived at. (I assume central Government, since the various branches of the Archives have never aligned exactly with provincial boundaries and the changes in number and boundaries should therefore make no difference to the Archives.) The reason why photography is discouraged is the fear of damage to the sometimes fragile documents (especially those older hand-written papers on which the ink is fading due to exposure to light). But in these days, with advanced digital cameras yielding excellent results even in very poor light with minimal exposure times and without use of a flash, it should be possible to draw up sensible rules based on the camera specifications. For example, I have a Panasonic, model DMC-FZ8, 7.1 MP (about three years old), with a Leica Elmarit f/2.8 - 3.3 aperture zoom lens, full manual over-ride of automatic functions and a tripod mount, whose built-in flash operates only if the flash button is pressed to (mechanically) open the flash unit, and even then it will operate only if it is needed. Current models are around 12 MP and above. It would be perfectly feasible to mount this on the kind of stand used for photographing books and documents, and to allow its use only if the flash is not opened, as long as the shutter can be operated on a timer to give a long exposure. I have used this in various Churches in the UK and Canada where photography is forbidden, without attracting attention, to avoid having to pack and carry postcards -- not for documents, of course, merely for the architecture, even lying flat on my back to capture splendid vaulted ceilings in the Round Church in Cambridge and elsewhere; and I've done the same during Church services. (I also took a picture a long time ago, with an old- style SLR camera without flash, of the Annunciation in King's College Chapel, without being challenged, though if I had stepped too close to it all the alarms would have sounded -- these were installed after an IRA fanatic took to the painting with a Skarsten scraper. That camera, with its f/2 lens and exposure time of up to 1 minute, could do almost anything, its only limitation being the need to use film.) If the Archives were to stipulate that the flash on the camera must not be used, i.e. if it is automatic it must be suppressible (which can readily be established by test), use of cameras could be allowed without risk to the documents. Tripods and book-frames would of course be up to the user. If the Cape Town Archives is not requiring this now, but allowing any camera, the documents are at risk. One has only to attend the Edinburgh Military Tattoo during the Festival in August (or see it on TV) to know that all too many cameras fire their flashes whether or not it will do any good, which on that vast open Parade Ground it will not. Such cameras should not be allowed anywhere near valuable and vulnerable documents. Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  Hello I am looking for information on my Maternal grandfather's parents Thomas Gerald Barnard 1895 to 1962)(married to Ehal May Barnard nee Patterson / Pattersen 1899 to 1961) Thomas was a tramdriver on the electric trams Who were his parents? His mother was a Duplessis Where did they come from? Where did they Live EC or Kimberley - definately, Winsorton -Definately - ran the diggings and the Hotel, maybe lived in Paarl?  Also Edgecomb in Natal?Planted all the trees on the golfcourse? Maybe her name (Re Ethal May Barnard / Patterson) is also on the foundation stone of the Anglican Chappel in Mount Edgecomb? Supporting info (NO info required on these persons please) Children: Stella Sybil (Harris) my mom Lorraine(tinks) Black then Reddy (Lived in Kimberley all her life) Olive Swartz (lived in Johannesburg had many hairdressing Salons then moved to Canada) Dorothy Schmidt (lived happily in Stilbaai) I will be most grateful for any pointers... Ivan Harris

  Hello I am looking for information on my Maternal grandmother (married to Thomas Gerald Barnard) Ehal May Barnard nee Patterson / Pattersen 1899 to 1961 Who were her parents? James Patterson ? and ..... Where did they come from? Supporting info (NO info required on these persons please) Children: Stella Sybil (Harris) my mom Lorraine(tinks) Black then Reddy (Lived in Kimberley all her life) Olive Swartz (lived in Johannesburg had many hairdressing Salons then moved to Canada) Dorothy Schmidt (lived happily in Stilbaai) I will be most grateful for any pointers... Ivan Harris ex Kimberley

Hi, I've added another 60-odd names to the list of Cornish Pioneers in SA, taken from Richard Dawe's book. If you are not on my mailing list, and would like to receive a copy, and future updates, please drop me an email. Kind regards, Nicola -- *Nicola Jenkin* npjenkin@gmail.com Oxfordshire, UK Families researching: Jenkin, Strong, Alkin, Carnell, Pavey, Haddigan

Hi to all, I am trying to trance my mom in laws biological father, Antonie Pieter VAN AS/VAN ASS also known as Anthony Peter. We presume he was born in the late 1890's as my mom in laws mother was born in 1903. Potchefstroom area is where they stayed at the time. My mom in law was born in 1920 and is now 91 years old. The only information I have about him is that in 1931 which I got from NAAIRS is that he was a barber staying at Ockerse Street, Krugersdorp. Previously he stayed at Frankfort, Orange Free State. He had a wife and 4 children at the time. His profession was a barber and became insolvent. On my mom in laws baptismal certificate it states: DOOPCEEL: De ondergetekende, Predikant der Ned. Herv. Of Gerf. Kerk, Potchefstroom, verklaart dat het uit het Doopregister van gemetde Kerk Blykt dat, Johanna gebore 2 Dec. 1920 .......(piece torn and cannot read) een kind is van Anthonie Pieter VAN ASS & SOPHIA JOHANNA JACOBA NEL Getuigen: J.A. NEL & C.M or W. NEL Signed at Potchefstroom 31 January 1927 by D.J. Pienaar (V.D.M.) Sophia Johanna Jacoba NEL married Bartholmew Roelof Jacobus STRYDOM on 6 Nov 1922. Any information on this family would be well received. Regards, Glynis

On 24 Nov 2011 at 12:44, Ian van Zyl wrote: > Has anyone been to the National Archives in Pretoria of late? > Are they fully operational? > Are researchers able to access all the files? I was there last Tuesday, and they were fully operational, and all the files I ordered were brought to me. The head of the reading room did the rounds of all the researchers there, and asked if everything was OK, and if they had everything they needed. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr) Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

The camera will definitely be going along next time, but I didn't know about being able to forward the request for files ahead of time, thanks for that! It will be a big help!! -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nantes kruger Sent: 24 November 2011 09:25 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria Will recommend that you rather take photos of the docs.....we are lucky that we can in Pta and the other archives unlike in the Cape Archives were the only options is the make copies.(although my waiting time for these are normally not more than 4 weeks). I am also full time employed and have to carefully plan my spare time to hop in for an hour at the archives. If you forward your request per email in advance to enquiries2@dac.gov.za<enquiries2@dac.gov.za> then your files are ready and your can peruse and snap very quickly. Never had a problem with the staff......although one needs to respect the rules of the reading room. It is a waste of waiting for copies...........rather print them our from your pics.........much quicker ! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Leeanne Blunden <lblunden@telkomsa.net>wrote: > Hi Veronica, > > I was there about 4 months ago, they are fully operational, I received all > the files I asked for. The only irritation I had was that the ladies > behind > the counter (one was named Alicia) were not very helpful, and I had to wait > almost two hours for them to bring my files, then when I wanted copies made > I was told the only person who can make copies was not in that day!!! > While > all the resources one needs are available there, the staff have a typical > government worker attitude and don't seem to take pride in providing the > service to the public that they are paid to provide. I work full time and > have to put in a day's leave if I want to go there, so being told that "the > man who makes the copies isn't in, come back next week" is not funny, and I > can't believe that only one person in the entire building knows how to make > a copy!! Other than that, I have never been disappointed with the files or > documents I ask for, and I've never been told that they can't locate or > provide the files I've requested. > > Regards, > Leeanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian van Zyl > Sent: 24 November 2011 07:44 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria > > Has anyone been to the National Archives in Pretoria of late? > Are they fully operational? > Are researchers able to access all the files? > Thanks > Veronica in Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Nantes Kruger Moreleta Park PRETORIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Veronica, I was there about 4 months ago, they are fully operational, I received all the files I asked for. The only irritation I had was that the ladies behind the counter (one was named Alicia) were not very helpful, and I had to wait almost two hours for them to bring my files, then when I wanted copies made I was told the only person who can make copies was not in that day!!! While all the resources one needs are available there, the staff have a typical government worker attitude and don't seem to take pride in providing the service to the public that they are paid to provide. I work full time and have to put in a day's leave if I want to go there, so being told that "the man who makes the copies isn't in, come back next week" is not funny, and I can't believe that only one person in the entire building knows how to make a copy!! Other than that, I have never been disappointed with the files or documents I ask for, and I've never been told that they can't locate or provide the files I've requested. Regards, Leeanne -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian van Zyl Sent: 24 November 2011 07:44 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria Has anyone been to the National Archives in Pretoria of late? Are they fully operational? Are researchers able to access all the files? Thanks Veronica in Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Friends There is also a book Agter die Doringdraad in Koffiefontein by O L Nel. Kind regards Daniel On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Hetta Scholtz <hettascholtz@lantic.net>wrote: > http://hyperfacts.com/1429897 > > More about Koffiefontein, > Hetta Scholtz > > -----Original Message----- > From: First name Last name > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:58 PM > To: south-africa-l@rootsweb.com ; > south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com ; > south-africa-easterncape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Koffifontein Concentration Camp > > Good Afternoon to all, > I was reading about the infamous spy we had in the S.A.Navy Commodore > Gerhardt who mentioned as one of his points of disillusionment the > treatment > of pow's in the Koffiefontein Concentration camp. > Could anyone let me know if this camp was only used during the second Boer > War, or was it used in WW 1 or WW2? Alos is there somewhere a list of who > was interred there. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rod g > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4633 - Release Date: 11/22/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Vir gratis Genealogiese Handleiding: http://gendata.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=28 Siebrits/du Toit/Meyer/Zeeman/De Villiers (Franschhoek/Paarl) Jacobs/Oberholster/Smith (Graaff-Reinet/Fauresmith) Le Roux/Van der Merwe (Villiersdorp) Louw/Brink (Kaapstad/Wellington) De Vos (De Doorns/Wellington) Malan (Wellington/Zeerust) Ungerer (Swellendam) Smith (Wellington)

Hello Ivan Yes it was Ken born 1932. As for the swimming pool you have the wrong one. I am referring to the swimming pool at the De Beers Housing Village, Kenilworth. The time period was 1952. The Kenilworth Village was eventually donated to the Mental Health Society for accommodation of those suffering mental disorders. Your wikimap view is of the Karin Muir Bath which was built in the early '60's. Over the road was the St Patricks Boys Scouts. St Georges was situated IN THE Milner Street /Carrington Road Area. In the 1990's St Patricks folded and St Georges took over their Building and I understand is flourishing at the moment. It is more than 10 years since I left Kimberley and they have certainly filled up De Beers Mine. Basil -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irfaan Harris Sent: 23 November 2011 11:44 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Campbells originally from Kimberley RSA / Salen Islay Scotland Hello Basil Thank you very much. Which of the 3 Kens do you refer to?  I guess Ken born 1932? > Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy), Fiona and  Ken > Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn Yes I remember the changing rooms and the wire baskets for your clothes.. The big pool and the DEEEEEP diving pool. I was born in 1960, and must have been pretty much the same - and I guess almost the same now? let me look on wikimapia..... http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=-28.7406078&lon=24.7729897&z=17&l=0&m=b   yep the same!!! but the botanical gardens look bad, rundown, and i note the mine has been filled !!!! St Georges Boy Scouts building still there....(But I know Sea Scouts has gone, not even a mention of it on the WWW!!!!! now a fishing club...   Thanks once again. Ivan (in Saudi Arabia) ________________________________ From: Basil Brown <bgbrown@absamail.co.za> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Campbells originally from Kimberley RSA / Salen Islay Scotland Hello Ivan Ken Campbell worked in De Beers as an electrician. On retirement he and his wife moved to FishHoek in the Cape where they stayed with or near to their daughter-in-law. His wife was a Miss Jean or June Crook. Ken was an excellent swimmer and as a small boy I remember going to Swimming Galas at the Kenilworth Swimming bath and seeing him take part. There was great competition between him and another chap Bruce Gates. The galas held on a Friday or Saturday evening were very popular and over and above the swimming they offered the citizens of Kimberley a cool spot to escape the heat. If you would like his work records e-mail the De Beers Archivist at charmaine.mcclean@debeersgroup.com Basil Brown -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johan Dorey-Venter Sent: 23 November 2011 01:59 PM To: Irfaan Harris; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Campbells originally from Kimberley RSA / Salen Islay Scotland Ivan, Have you contacted the Africana Library in Kimberley? africana[at]solplaatje.org.za Campbell is a well-known name in Kimberley, they should have quite a bit of information for you. Johan. On 23/11/2011, Irfaan Harris <irfaan.harris@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for my second cousins  (Children of Lachie Campbell and Mabel > White) as I have lots of photos of the Campbells from 1800 and 1900's to > identify. - And to make contact. > My grandmother was Marion Harris 1899 to 1980 and her brother was  Lachlan > Macquarrie Campbell (1891 - 1940) Married to Mabel White (b1892) > Children of Lachie and Mabel: > Alexander Campbell (1920 to 1998) Married Athiers - children Alex (sandy) > Fiona Ken > Ken Campbel Born 1932 married to ??? and children Ken, Duncan, Katheryn and > Loreen > Aieleen Bereetzke (nee Campbell) - I am already in Contact with the > Breedzke's > > I will be most grateful for any information. > > Regards > Ivan William Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Will recommend that you rather take photos of the docs.....we are lucky that we can in Pta and the other archives unlike in the Cape Archives were the only options is the make copies.(although my waiting time for these are normally not more than 4 weeks). I am also full time employed and have to carefully plan my spare time to hop in for an hour at the archives. If you forward your request per email in advance to enquiries2@dac.gov.za<enquiries2@dac.gov.za> then your files are ready and your can peruse and snap very quickly. Never had a problem with the staff......although one needs to respect the rules of the reading room. It is a waste of waiting for copies...........rather print them our from your pics.........much quicker ! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Leeanne Blunden <lblunden@telkomsa.net>wrote: > Hi Veronica, > > I was there about 4 months ago, they are fully operational, I received all > the files I asked for. The only irritation I had was that the ladies > behind > the counter (one was named Alicia) were not very helpful, and I had to wait > almost two hours for them to bring my files, then when I wanted copies made > I was told the only person who can make copies was not in that day!!! > While > all the resources one needs are available there, the staff have a typical > government worker attitude and don't seem to take pride in providing the > service to the public that they are paid to provide. I work full time and > have to put in a day's leave if I want to go there, so being told that "the > man who makes the copies isn't in, come back next week" is not funny, and I > can't believe that only one person in the entire building knows how to make > a copy!! Other than that, I have never been disappointed with the files or > documents I ask for, and I've never been told that they can't locate or > provide the files I've requested. > > Regards, > Leeanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian van Zyl > Sent: 24 November 2011 07:44 PM > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] National Archive in Pretoria > > Has anyone been to the National Archives in Pretoria of late? > Are they fully operational? > Are researchers able to access all the files? > Thanks > Veronica in Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Nantes Kruger Moreleta Park PRETORIA