You have said it all John. branches like these have fantastic members. Happy christmas all Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Deare" <dearej@mweb.co.za> : Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] free resources > That's the joy of belonging to branches...there is always someone to offer > advice and many members with years of experience. : Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] free resources > > Hallo Everyone > > I am very new to tracing my family and I found eGSSA very help full. > Members > > have been help full in giving me directions and help. No one treated me > like > > a "newbie" I really appreciated that. >

Hi all It may be an appropriate time to remind list-members of some of the free resources which are available on the eGGSA website - that is, FREE OF CHARGE to ANYONE, whether they be members or non-members. Gravestone photographs, with transcriptions: 350,000+ (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=43) Death notices and other archive documents: 20,000+ (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=54) Books of genealogical/historical interest (9) (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=15) Family Bible photos, with transcriptions: some 900+ images (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=383991) Cremation records at the Cambridge crematorium in E-London, some 20,000+ entries (http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/CambridgeCrematorium/CambridgeCrematori um.htm) Baptismal register transcriptions (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Baptisms.html) Marriage register transcriptions (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Marriages.html) Burial registers (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Burials.html) Newspaper Extracts (from the UK National Archives and the British Newspaper Library) (http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/) 1820 settler correspondence (housed at the UK National Archives) (http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/) Passenger lists (in various South African Archives) (http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html) List of Natal Estate files 1852-1928 (not indexed in Naairs) (http://eggsa.org/Pietermaritzburg%20Masters%20Office%20estate%20files.htm) Muster roll of the Free Settlers at the Cape of Good Hope in 1685 (http://eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/mr_intro.htm) Regards Colin

That's the joy of belonging to branches...there is always someone to offer advice and many members with years of experience. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Magda Begeman Sent: 05 December 2011 04:04 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] free resources Hallo Everyone I am very new to tracing my family and I found eGSSA very help full. Members have been help full in giving me directions and help. No one treated me like a "newbie" I really appreciated that. I will carry on enjoying the free stuff, where ever I find it. Thank you to everyone for your help. May the Festive Season be filled with family and happiness. Kind Regards Magda Badenhorst-Begeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Pretorius" <lists@fmxau.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <buitenposten@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:33 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] free resources > Hi all > > > > It may be an appropriate time to remind list-members of some of the free > resources which are available on the eGGSA website - that is, FREE OF > CHARGE > to ANYONE, whether they be members or non-members. > > > > Gravestone photographs, with transcriptions: 350,000+ > > (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=43) > > Death notices and other archive documents: 20,000+ > > (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=54) > > Books of genealogical/historical interest (9) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=15) > > Family Bible photos, with transcriptions: some 900+ images > > (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=383991) > > Cremation records at the Cambridge crematorium in E-London, some 20,000+ > entries > > > (http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/CambridgeCrematorium/CambridgeCrematori > um.htm) > > Baptismal register transcriptions > > (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Baptisms.html) > > Marriage register transcriptions > > (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Marriages.html) > > Burial registers > > (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Burials.html) > > Newspaper Extracts (from the UK National Archives and the British > Newspaper > Library) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/) > > 1820 settler correspondence (housed at the UK National Archives) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/) > > Passenger lists (in various South African Archives) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html) > > List of Natal Estate files 1852-1928 (not indexed in Naairs) > > > (http://eggsa.org/Pietermaritzburg%20Masters%20Office%20estate%20files.htm) > > Muster roll of the Free Settlers at the Cape of Good Hope in 1685 > > (http://eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/mr_intro.htm) > > > > > > Regards > > Colin > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4056 - Release Date: 12/04/11 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4056 - Release Date: 12/04/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4657 - Release Date: 12/04/11

Hallo Everyone I am very new to tracing my family and I found eGSSA very help full. Members have been help full in giving me directions and help. No one treated me like a "newbie" I really appreciated that. I will carry on enjoying the free stuff, where ever I find it. Thank you to everyone for your help. May the Festive Season be filled with family and happiness. Kind Regards Magda Badenhorst-Begeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Pretorius" <lists@fmxau.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <buitenposten@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:33 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] free resources > Hi all > > > > It may be an appropriate time to remind list-members of some of the free > resources which are available on the eGGSA website - that is, FREE OF > CHARGE > to ANYONE, whether they be members or non-members. > > > > Gravestone photographs, with transcriptions: 350,000+ > > (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=43) > > Death notices and other archive documents: 20,000+ > > (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=54) > > Books of genealogical/historical interest (9) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=15) > > Family Bible photos, with transcriptions: some 900+ images > > (http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=383991) > > Cremation records at the Cambridge crematorium in E-London, some 20,000+ > entries > > > (http://www.eggsa.org/transcriptions/CambridgeCrematorium/CambridgeCrematori > um.htm) > > Baptismal register transcriptions > > (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Baptisms.html) > > Marriage register transcriptions > > (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Marriages.html) > > Burial registers > > (http://www.eggsa.org/bdms/Burials.html) > > Newspaper Extracts (from the UK National Archives and the British > Newspaper > Library) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/) > > 1820 settler correspondence (housed at the UK National Archives) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/) > > Passenger lists (in various South African Archives) > > (http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html) > > List of Natal Estate files 1852-1928 (not indexed in Naairs) > > > (http://eggsa.org/Pietermaritzburg%20Masters%20Office%20estate%20files.htm) > > Muster roll of the Free Settlers at the Cape of Good Hope in 1685 > > (http://eggsa.org/transcriptions/monsterrollen/mr_intro.htm) > > > > > > Regards > > Colin > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4056 - Release Date: 12/04/11 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4056 - Release Date: 12/04/11

Dear Johan, You write: "From my Christmas bonus, I could at least treat myself to a GSSA membership. With the result that at least I am grateful for getting something for free!" Please tell me exactly what it is that you get "for free", when you actually PAY to enjoy the limited advantages of GSSA membership. My point is that the ratio of membership fees is 150 to 400, or 15 to 40, or 3 to 8. In other words membership of GSSA is a bit less than half the price of membership at Ancestry24. Now, lets have a look at what you get for your money. “For free”, as you say. GSSA gives you a journal (Familia) and a newsletter (Genesis or Maiores or Famnea, etc, depending on your branch). GSSA has a web site that offers you: Goals and Objectives <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44%3Ag oals-and-objectives&catid=126%3Aintro-page&Itemid=125&lang=en> Written by administrator. To promote and facilitate interest and research in genealogy and family history to present members, to the genealogical hobbyist and to all members of the public who may be interested in genealogy and/or family history. To promote general understanding of Genealogy and its value, to understand and MAINTAIN PROFESSIONAL STATUS AND DIGNITY for genealogists amongst members of the Genealogical Society of South Africa and the general public. To encourage the OBSERVANCE OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF RESEARCH by members of the Society. To provide a WIDE RANGE OF EDUCATIONAL COURSES, research programmes and services for the general benefit of GSSA branches and members, as well as any other service or assistance as may from time to time be decided upon by the National Council of the GSSA. TO ENCOURAGE AND DEVELOP LINKS WITH FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETIES. TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN CONTACT WITH LIKE MINDED SOCIETIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. TO ESTABLISH A CERTIFICATION PROGRAM TO PROMOTE THE RELIABILITY, PROFESSIONALISM AND INTEGRITY of all South African Genealogists and Record Researchers. To assist in the preservation of all genealogical records and memorabilia. In contrast to this dedication to professionalism Ferdie van Wyk writes: We serve a community of dedicated AMATEUR family researchers. The advantages of joining the GSSA are numerous. a) One becomes part of a family of likeminded researchers with vast experience and one can interact with them on a personal level. b) You know that you can call on the help of people that is supportive and accommodating. c) You will gain access to research and educational resources and remain up to date with developments in the world of genealogy. d) You get the opportunity to go on outings to sites of genealogical significance and listen to experts in the research field. e) Benefits include discount on genealogy books, DVDs and CDs. GSSA offers various projects: 1. <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=44%3A cemetery-recording-project&layout=default&Itemid=181&lang=en> Cemetery Recording Project ( 5 Articles ) 2. <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=37%3A gssa-google-earth-cemetery-initiative&layout=default&Itemid=182&lang=en> GSSA Google Earth Cemetery Initiative ( 6 Articles ) 3. <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=38%3A 1984-voters-roll&layout=default&Itemid=296&lang=en> 1984 Voter's Roll ( 1 Article ) 4. <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=69%3A funeral-programs&layout=default&Itemid=297&lang=en> Funeral Programs ( 2 Articles ) 5. <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=118%3 Achurch-photographs&layout=default&Itemid=298&lang=en> Church Photographs ( 1 Article ) 6. <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=119%3 Acape-masters-office-death-notice-index&layout=default&Itemid=300&lang=en> Cape Master's Office Death Notice Index ( 1 Article ) The digitization of the Cape Death Notice Index was a project undertaken by GSSA many years ago. The searchable database will appear on our website soon. GSSA offers various publications (Plural). These are: 1. Familia. (Yes, just the one.) http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=19&Ite mid=1&lang=en> &view=section&id=19&Itemid=1&lang=en For some peculiar reason the newsletters of each branch do not count as publications of GSSA. Consequently they are not listed on the publications page. East Cape Branch publishes a quarterly journal called "Chronicles." eGGSA does not mention on the GSSA web page that it has a newsletter, Genesis. It does offer “eGGSA Downloads, of which “Newsletter 2011 no 2” yields the “Western Cape Newsletter”. The page for the Free State Branch does not mention that it publishes a newsletter, Maiores. http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=b log&id=56&Itemid=292&lang=en> &view=category&layout=blog&id=56&Itemid=292&lang=en The Northern Transvaal Branch does not mention a newsletter on the web site. The North West Branch does not mention its newsletter, Famnea. The West Gauteng branch does mention its newsletter, West Gauteng News. The Western Cape branch does mention its newsletter, Western Cape newsletter, but it does not mention its quarterly journal, Capensis. I also discovered another list of benefits of membership at http://www.eggsa.org/benefits_e.htm The Benefits of Membership! Genealogy will put you on fascinating paths where you will learn not only about your ancestors, but also about your history and culture. By joining eGSSA you become part of the genealogical community at large. Membership will bring you the following: · Stay up to date with genealogical developments with four issues of eFamilia, the official journal of the <http://www.ggsa.info/> Genealogical Society of South Africa (GSSA), and four issues of genesis, the eGSSA newsletter · Refine your research skills with our learning resources · Save at the eGSSA Bookstore where you will find useful CD products and other publications · You can complete your application on-line and submit it via the Internet · For those people who are not currently GSSA members, or cannot join a current branch, this is an ideal opportunity to become part of GSSA and to step into this exciting era. · Members of the GSSA can use our online shop to order photographs <http://www.eggsa.org/sales/help_archive_docs.htm> of documents in three repositories of the South African Archives, those in Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg, Cape Town and Pretoria at a special price. NB. The Cape Town Archives Repository has banned mechanical copying by any means of documents in their care. The KAB offers its own copying service (printed, not digital, copies). We cannot, therefore, accept any orders for KAB documents. We are still offering this service for documents from the Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg and Pretoria Archive repositories. Please see our <http://www.eggsa.org/sales/help_archive_docs.htm> FAQ for the details of this service. eGSSA is an indispensable resource for genealogists and family historians seeking research guidance, publications and materials, and opportunities to interact with others who share the same interest TO SUM UP, FOR ABOUT R150 GSSA OFFERS MEMBERSHIP, FAMILIA AND ONE BRANCH JOURNAL OR NEWSLETTER AND YOU CAN BUY BOOKS AND CDS, IF YOU PAY EXTRA AND ACCESS TO THE OTHER NEWSLETTERS AND JOURNALS, IF YOU PAY EXTRA AND PHOTOS OF DOCUMENTS IN SOME ARCHIVES, IF YOU PAY EXTRA AND ACCESS TO THE 1984 VOTERS’ ROLL, IF YOU PAID EXTRA. eGSSA OFFERS VARIOUS UTTERLY VALUABLE TRANSCRIPTIONS, IMAGES OF GRAVESTONES ETC, BUT NOTHING ON THE SCALE OF ANCESTRY24. ____________________________________________________ Ancestry24 should now be examines to see what you get for your R395. AVAILABLE DATABASES Ancestry24 is the most comprehensive online information source for South African family history. Here is a list of just some of our databases, which grow daily. <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=379> Birth records 14,000+ records from various registers covering 1895 - 1921 <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=384> Baptism records 1000,000+ records from 1600's until the 1950's <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=352> Death Notice records Over 5,000 in a growing collection <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=388> Burials 50,000+ from various parish records and cemeteries <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=394> Marriage records >From Namaqualand, Eastern Cape, Johannesburg, Cape and Natal <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=380> Passenger records 50,000+ recorded persons travelling between England and South Africa Government Gazettes Legal announcements of deceased persons in South Africa 1992 - current <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=377> Deceased Estates Index 500,000+ individuals from the Transvaal and Cape from 1838 - 1900's <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=368> Cape Almanacs Lists of Inhabitants of the Cape 1813 - 1891 <http://ancestry24.com/collection-type/?id=371> Military various records including indexes to Anglo Boer War, Rhodesian Rebellion and Boer War Prisoners in Bermuda Newspaper Domestic Announcements Daily birth, marriage, death notices from national newspapers 2005 - current Ancestry24 offers ten times better value for money than GSSA. Johan, if you are a prudent pensioner, don’t waste your meagre resources on GSSA, invest them where you get a better return: at Ancestry24. Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Johan Dorey-Venter [mailto:doreyventer@gmail.com] Sent: 04 December 2011 21:31 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] eGGSA South African Passenger List Project Trixie and Francois, Some of us, having to live on a meagre pension in South Africa, actually find Ancestry24 subscription prohibitively expensive. >From my Christmas bonus, I could at least treat myself to a GSSA membership. With the result that at least I am grateful for getting something for free! R395, paid in british £'s is cheap, in South Africa it feeds the average pensioner for 4 weeks. 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Good Grief!!! The early shipping lists were all extracted from newspaper reports. I have personally transcribed some (that had not already been done:))...and really you cannot believe the errors. Either the reporters had too much of the Captains rum or the typesetters were digitally disadvantaged. Anyway...we should just be grateful that something was done in those early days. Now as for the newspaper death watch... you need to read further. The Afrikaans press have not lost circulation. It’s the 'Engelse Pers' that have got it all wrong and are suffering circulation losses around 30%. We wont go into the reasons therefore in this medium. And the 'Black" press are showing huge circulation gains : City Press, Ilanga, Isolezwe, etc.. I tend to be a mite cautious about media groups jumping on 'interest bandwagons'....looking for additional revenue sources. Lets not criticize the GSSA effort. John D -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Francois Greeff Sent: 04 December 2011 09:14 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Cc: SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com; SAGenealogie@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [ZA-EC] eGGSA South African Passenger ListProject Well said, Trixie! I think that everyone can win if this new passenger list project devoted its efforts to enlarging the largest pool of information, instead of starting from scratch again. Besides that Ancersty24 has a great deal of other information too, and I have found their membership fee very cheap, considering the data they have given the Greeff clan (R395 generally, and half price for members of the Cape Town branch of GSSA). In other words, membership of GSSA is about R150 and membership of Ancestry24 is about R200 in the end. The cost of joining is thus more or less the same, but Ancestry24 has 59,578 Passenger records and 2,879 shipping records and one million transcribed and fully searchable records overall, and access to 8 million South African names. Synergy is a word that describes how two plus two can make six. Synergy is part of the logic behind mergers and acquisitions in corporate governance. When two organizations join forces and work together instead of in competition to each other there are massive savings: One head office, one set of accountants and auditors, one web site, mutually supporting advertising instead of adverts that cancel each other out, better use of transport, and united databases, as well as increased benefits to both customer sets. Jan Smuts first thought up the philosophy of Holism, and he said that "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts". That is easy to understand when you have a pile of spare parts, as opposed to all the same parts assembled to make a useful, working motor car. The whole assembled car is worth far more than the sum of its parts. I sincerely hope that GISA is about to enter into a new phase of co-operation with GSSA and other organizations. I urge their managements to consider the financial and practical advantages of synergy. The leaders in South African genealogy should also consider that Naspers is fully aware of it that the days of paper newspapers are over. The newspapers that have not shifted into electronic media are going insolvent. (See: http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/) The survivors are investing heavily in digital media: the internet, Pay TV, and all sorts of online activities. See http://www.naspers.com/company-structure.php There is no doubt that genealogy is the fastest growing internet hobby in the world, and these financial giants are investing billions of Dollars in genealogy. Even governments see genealogy as a source of big revenue. The British Government is making a fortune from world wide internet sales because you can order official birth, marriage and death certificates for events registered in England and Wales from the General Register Office (GRO) for just £9.25. Each. Per certificate. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevent s/Birthmarriageanddeathcertificates/dg_175628 Ancestry24 is investing a fortune in South African genealogy, and the leaders of all genealogy groups should get together and meet with the finance directors behind Ancestry24. It makes sense for Ancestry24 to offer discounts to members of GSSA, and it makes sense for Ancestry24 to host all the GSSA web sites free of charge, and it makes sense for Ancestry24 to participate in all GSSA projects. There is already too much senseless duplication in the passenger lists, and the transcription of voters rolls, and in transcription of paper records to digital records. In the latter Ancestry24 is way ahead of all the other players put together, so why not work together to find ways in which GSSA members can benefit from greater co-operation? Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Trixie [mailto:verneukpan@gmail.com] Sent: 04 December 2011 05:41 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] eGGSA South African Passenger List Project This looks like the same passenger lists that Ancestry24 have done years ago - does anybody communicate with one another to see whether they are not dulicating work already done? Trixie On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sue Mackay <sue@sausalito.demon.co.uk>wrote: > The first phase of its new Passenger List Project has gone live on the > web site of the eGGSA Branch of the Genealogical Society of South > Africa. The transcribing is being done by volunteers, members of the > eGGSA, Natal Midland and Western Cape branches of the GSSA: > > http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html > > > Posted on behalf of Richard Ball > www.eggsa.org > > Sue > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Well said, Trixie! I think that everyone can win if this new passenger list project devoted its efforts to enlarging the largest pool of information, instead of starting from scratch again. Besides that Ancersty24 has a great deal of other information too, and I have found their membership fee very cheap, considering the data they have given the Greeff clan (R395 generally, and half price for members of the Cape Town branch of GSSA). In other words, membership of GSSA is about R150 and membership of Ancestry24 is about R200 in the end. The cost of joining is thus more or less the same, but Ancestry24 has 59,578 Passenger records and 2,879 shipping records and one million transcribed and fully searchable records overall, and access to 8 million South African names. Synergy is a word that describes how two plus two can make six. Synergy is part of the logic behind mergers and acquisitions in corporate governance. When two organizations join forces and work together instead of in competition to each other there are massive savings: One head office, one set of accountants and auditors, one web site, mutually supporting advertising instead of adverts that cancel each other out, better use of transport, and united databases, as well as increased benefits to both customer sets. Jan Smuts first thought up the philosophy of Holism, and he said that "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts". That is easy to understand when you have a pile of spare parts, as opposed to all the same parts assembled to make a useful, working motor car. The whole assembled car is worth far more than the sum of its parts. I sincerely hope that GISA is about to enter into a new phase of co-operation with GSSA and other organizations. I urge their managements to consider the financial and practical advantages of synergy. The leaders in South African genealogy should also consider that Naspers is fully aware of it that the days of paper newspapers are over. The newspapers that have not shifted into electronic media are going insolvent. (See: http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/) The survivors are investing heavily in digital media: the internet, Pay TV, and all sorts of online activities. See http://www.naspers.com/company-structure.php There is no doubt that genealogy is the fastest growing internet hobby in the world, and these financial giants are investing billions of Dollars in genealogy. Even governments see genealogy as a source of big revenue. The British Government is making a fortune from world wide internet sales because you can order official birth, marriage and death certificates for events registered in England and Wales from the General Register Office (GRO) for just £9.25. Each. Per certificate. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevent s/Birthmarriageanddeathcertificates/dg_175628 Ancestry24 is investing a fortune in South African genealogy, and the leaders of all genealogy groups should get together and meet with the finance directors behind Ancestry24. It makes sense for Ancestry24 to offer discounts to members of GSSA, and it makes sense for Ancestry24 to host all the GSSA web sites free of charge, and it makes sense for Ancestry24 to participate in all GSSA projects. There is already too much senseless duplication in the passenger lists, and the transcription of voters rolls, and in transcription of paper records to digital records. In the latter Ancestry24 is way ahead of all the other players put together, so why not work together to find ways in which GSSA members can benefit from greater co-operation? Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Trixie [mailto:verneukpan@gmail.com] Sent: 04 December 2011 05:41 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] eGGSA South African Passenger List Project This looks like the same passenger lists that Ancestry24 have done years ago - does anybody communicate with one another to see whether they are not dulicating work already done? Trixie On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sue Mackay <sue@sausalito.demon.co.uk>wrote: > The first phase of its new Passenger List Project has gone live on the > web site of the eGGSA Branch of the Genealogical Society of South > Africa. The transcribing is being done by volunteers, members of the > eGGSA, Natal Midland and Western Cape branches of the GSSA: > > http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html > > > Posted on behalf of Richard Ball > www.eggsa.org > > Sue > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4656 - Release Date: 12/04/11

In case anyone in the Toronto, Canada area is pining for biltong or boerwors (sp) for the holidays, I though I would pass this information along. My son found the South African Store on the internet here and we have been at the store to purchase the above products. It is located at 1733 Eglinton Avenue East, at Bermondsey Road, just west of Victoria Park Avenue, in Toronto. Its telephone number is 416-223-7011, www.memoriesofafrica.net The biltong could have dried a little more but it was eaten anyway. We enjoyed the boerwors for supper a few nights ago. Sonia

Sonia Thanks. I will let my mom know who lives in Toronto. Tony On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Sonia van Heerden wrote: > > > > > > > In case anyone in the Toronto, Canada area is pining for biltong or boerwors (sp) for the holidays, I though I would pass this information along. > > My son found the South African Store on the internet here and we have been at the store to purchase the above products. > > It is located at 1733 Eglinton Avenue East, at Bermondsey Road, just west of Victoria Park Avenue, in Toronto. Its telephone number is 416-223-7011, www.memoriesofafrica.net > > The biltong could have dried a little more but it was eaten anyway. We enjoyed the boerwors for supper a few nights ago. > > Sonia > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The first phase of its new Passenger List Project has gone live on the web site of the eGGSA Branch of the Genealogical Society of South Africa. The transcribing is being done by volunteers, members of the eGGSA, Natal Midland and Western Cape branches of the GSSA: http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html Thank you, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk richard.ball@ballfamilyrecords.co.uk

Dear all, I am trying to find out more about my great grandmother, Adelaide Beatrice Dakers (nee Penfold). She was born in the UK but was married in South Africa in 1920 and had her first child there in 1921. The family then returned to the UK. Her husband, David Dakers, died in 1929, and I've found an English probate record. Intriguingly, there is also a record on NAAIRS of Estate Papers for David Dakers in 1929. I'd be very grateful if someone could look at the file for me. I'd love to know if it's the same David Dakers, and if so, what was included in his estate. I've copied the details below. Many thanks and best wishes, Kate Roberts. DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/3542 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 22699 PART 1 DESCRIPTION DAKERS, DAVID. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19290000 ENDING 19290000

If the enquirer googled the cemetery, there is mention on the website, Friends of Kensal Green Cemetery, I feel sure that they would be able to photograph any memorial for you.. if I was living back home in London, I would have done it for you.. but no intentions of a return visit at present. if no luck there, please get back to me, as have a friend who is chairman Friends of West Norwood Cemetery, he may know of someone to help.. Adele NZ

Dear list members Can anyone please tell me where I can find information on when and how Frederick James May arrived in South Africa from the UK. He was still living in Chelsea England in 1911. He married Elsie Sturdy in Johannesburg in 1915 and returned to England on The Saxon in 1916. He had TB and died on his return to England in 1917. thanks for all your help Dee Whitehead

> Google van Eyssen Street, Parow, Cape Town. I did, and I get a map. Am I missing something? How does this help with the origin of Matthias van Eyssen? Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:28:07 AM EST From: "Francois Greeff" <goodgreeff@hiddencode.co.uk> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] van Eyssen origins Google van Eyssen Street, Parow, Cape Town. Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:umfundi@usa.net] Sent: 30 November 2011 02:39 To: SA List Cc: Brendon Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] van Eyssen origins All, In the last week, I have been asked a question about the origins of Matthias van Eyssen, the progenitor of the South African family. He arrived at the Cape in 1758, was made a burger in 1768 and married in 1763. I was surprised to find there is no entry, not even a placeholder, on www.stamouers.com . >From my own opinion on the reliability of various "sources", I think it is most likely he was from Eitzen (von Eitzen) near Oldenburg in Germany. But, many say he was born in Utrecht. The only credible reference I have is Hoge: Personalia of the Germans at the Cape, which is hardly a primary source. There is circumstantial evidence he was German, not Dutch: His wife, Aletta Josina Luyt, was of a German family, their children were baptised in the Lutheran church and their children married into German families like S(ch)malberger and Loedolff. I will appreciate any clues on the VAN EYSSEN origins. Thank you, Keith Footnotes: 1. Colenbrander, "Afkomst der Boeren" says (1763) he was Matthijs van Eisden from Oldenburg in Germany. 2. de Villiers / Pama says he was Matthias van Eysen or van Eisden, originally von Eitzen from Oldenburg. 3. SA Genealogies says he "a. van Renswoude", which is "arrived from Renswoude" (which is near Utrecht), but "arrived from" is not "born". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4646 - Release Date: 11/29/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Google van Eyssen Street, Parow, Cape Town. Regards, Francois _____________ Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:umfundi@usa.net] Sent: 30 November 2011 02:39 To: SA List Cc: Brendon Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] van Eyssen origins All, In the last week, I have been asked a question about the origins of Matthias van Eyssen, the progenitor of the South African family. He arrived at the Cape in 1758, was made a burger in 1768 and married in 1763. I was surprised to find there is no entry, not even a placeholder, on www.stamouers.com . >From my own opinion on the reliability of various "sources", I think it is most likely he was from Eitzen (von Eitzen) near Oldenburg in Germany. But, many say he was born in Utrecht. The only credible reference I have is Hoge: Personalia of the Germans at the Cape, which is hardly a primary source. There is circumstantial evidence he was German, not Dutch: His wife, Aletta Josina Luyt, was of a German family, their children were baptised in the Lutheran church and their children married into German families like S(ch)malberger and Loedolff. I will appreciate any clues on the VAN EYSSEN origins. Thank you, Keith Footnotes: 1. Colenbrander, "Afkomst der Boeren" says (1763) he was Matthijs van Eisden from Oldenburg in Germany. 2. de Villiers / Pama says he was Matthias van Eysen or van Eisden, originally von Eitzen from Oldenburg. 3. SA Genealogies says he "a. van Renswoude", which is "arrived from Renswoude" (which is near Utrecht), but "arrived from" is not "born". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4646 - Release Date: 11/29/11

findmypast.co.uk has the outgoing passenger lists from the UK. There are a few May passengers to South Africa between 1911 and 1916 but no full names are given. Ian Thirlwell -----Original Message----- From: Denise Whitehead Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:39 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Frederick James May Dear list members Can anyone please tell me where I can find information on when and how Frederick James May arrived in South Africa from the UK. He was still living in Chelsea England in 1911. He married Elsie Sturdy in Johannesburg in 1915 and returned to England on The Saxon in 1916. He had TB and died on his return to England in 1917. thanks for all your help Dee Whitehead

While visiting the Cape Archives last may we found the following deceased estate file: KAB MOOC 97942 Seen 10 May 2011 James Fry Leslie Burnard Father: Tobias Christian Percy Burnard, 14 Hamilton Road, Plumstead Mother: Adriana Jacoomina Burnard, born Bester Claremont, Cape, South Africa Died: 17 Feb 1945 Italy Age: 22y 9m Surviving spouse: Anna Johanna Burnard, b. Albertyn Occupation: Soldier Children: none War substantive Lieutenant, SA Air Force, killed in a flying battle. Property, PO Savings bank and Union Loan Certificates. Will: Leaves all to wife =============== I'm pretty sure this is related to the BURNARD family we are researching, as the name FRY appears frequently in family records, but we do not have a record of a Tobias Christian Percy BURNARD. If anyone else is researching this family, or has come across this person, please let us know. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com http://hayesfam.posterous.com/ E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Good Morning, Can anyone researching either the BIGGS or MANLEY or ABLETT families please assist. I have Arthur John BIGGS b 1869 d 1940 m to Maria Elizabeth ABLETT. I also have another Arthur John BIGGS b 1869 married to Agnes MANLEY. Could this be the same BIGGS. If so would anyone have any dates available? Regards, Rod g

Steve, >From the CWGC site: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2613816 Of course, it does not answer your question. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:07:20 AM EST From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: south-africa@rootsweb.comCc: valH@Samedical.org, val.hayes@gmail.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Burnard family While visiting the Cape Archives last may we found the following deceased estate file: KAB MOOC 97942 Seen 10 May 2011 James Fry Leslie Burnard Father: Tobias Christian Percy Burnard, 14 Hamilton Road, Plumstead Mother: Adriana Jacoomina Burnard, born Bester Claremont, Cape, South Africa Died: 17 Feb 1945 Italy Age: 22y 9m Surviving spouse: Anna Johanna Burnard, b. Albertyn Occupation: Soldier Children: none War substantive Lieutenant, SA Air Force, killed in a flying battle. Property, PO Savings bank and Union Loan Certificates. Will: Leaves all to wife =============== I'm pretty sure this is related to the BURNARD family we are researching, as the name FRY appears frequently in family records, but we do not have a record of a Tobias Christian Percy BURNARD. If anyone else is researching this family, or has come across this person, please let us know. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com http://hayesfam.posterous.com/ E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, In the last week, I have been asked a question about the origins of Matthias van Eyssen, the progenitor of the South African family. He arrived at the Cape in 1758, was made a burger in 1768 and married in 1763. I was surprised to find there is no entry, not even a placeholder, on www.stamouers.com . >From my own opinion on the reliability of various "sources", I think it is most likely he was from Eitzen (von Eitzen) near Oldenburg in Germany. But, many say he was born in Utrecht. The only credible reference I have is Hoge: Personalia of the Germans at the Cape, which is hardly a primary source. There is circumstantial evidence he was German, not Dutch: His wife, Aletta Josina Luyt, was of a German family, their children were baptised in the Lutheran church and their children married into German families like S(ch)malberger and Loedolff. I will appreciate any clues on the VAN EYSSEN origins. Thank you, Keith Footnotes: 1. Colenbrander, "Afkomst der Boeren" says (1763) he was Matthijs van Eisden from Oldenburg in Germany. 2. de Villiers / Pama says he was Matthias van Eysen or van Eisden, originally von Eitzen from Oldenburg. 3. SA Genealogies says he "a. van Renswoude", which is "arrived from Renswoude" (which is near Utrecht), but "arrived from" is not "born".