HI Daryl >From Rudman info..ex Janet Melville Samuel RUDMAN x Ann SPRINGHAM B5 Samuel Abt. 1834 d 30/8/1902 x King Williams Town 1/12/1862 Sarah Ann MATTHEWS b 208/2/1840 Ireland d 9/1/1914 Cl Samuel John b 18/4/1864 x Ester Rebecca KEARNEY C2 William Arthur b 18/2/1866 C3 Charles Henry (no date) x Anne Mildred ALLWRIGHT at Tabanchu C4 Florence Theresa b 1873 d 1943 not married C5 Ella Frances b 17/7/1875 d 27/7/1963 x Alfred William HARRIS C6 Sarah Ann x Charles ALLWRIGHT (no dates) So I would guess he falls between 1866 and 1873. Benjamin Jonathan RUDMAN x Julia Ann SLATER B10 Jonathan Caleb b 29/4/1846 x 21/7/1870 Louisa Jane POTE b 17/1/1852 C1 Mary Ann Matilda x Hugh LIVINGSTONE C2 Clara Harriet x Harry BATES C3 Charlotte Jane x George ROGERS C4 Oliver Charles x Ellen Magdalena STUMKE C5 Jonathan Caleb x Mabel Johanna EALES C6 Charles Henry b 24/12/1883 Uitenhage d 5/3/1939 Crown Hills (55yrs3mths) x Anna Helana WATSON b 1887 Palmietfontein d 1967 Durban C7 Ivy May x John Scott HOARE C8 Irene Kate x Timothy WATSON C9 Walter Pote d infancy Take care Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Allwright (Yahoo)" <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Charles Henry RUDMAN Hi Keith and Sneena I have changed the heading of this post Charles Henry b abt 1862 d +/- 1940 s/o Samuel RUDMAN and Sarah MATTHEWS married Annie Mildred ALLWRIGHT) d/o James Jay Eva ALLWRIGHT and Margaret Ann EDWARDS) 28 March 1907 Thaba Nchu, Orange Free State. Annie Mildred died 25 March 1920 'Spitskop', Ladybrand. Had 3 children 1 son died in Rhodesia and two daughters. He then married Anna Johanna EEDES nee KUYS in Vryburg, b 1866, Caledon, Cape Provonce d 27 March 1950, Pretoria (Her first Husband was Charles Henry EEDES) There is definitely two Charles Henry RUDMANs I just need to clarify the dates of my Charles Henry. His Death I have from Anna Johanna RUDMAN's DN TAB MHG 1927/1950 (however it does not give an exact date) Darryl Allwright ________________________________ From: Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 Sheena, What you say does not agree with the RUDMAN register or with SA Genealogies 10 p. 262-3. b10 Johnathan Caleb RUDMAN x Louisa Jane POTE. .... c2 Clara Harriet .... c7 Charles Henry x Anna Helena WATSON. "Sara" may be "Clara". Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:23:58 PM EST From: Sheena Bass <sheenabass@sundowneroaks.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 I have Charles Henry Rudman married to Anna Helena Watson. This Charles Henry does not have a sister called Sarah - of couse my research may be wrong..... this Charles was born in 1883 and died in 1939. He was the son of Jonathon Caleb Rudman and Juliana Slater. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nantes, Unfortunately, that site is very out of date. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:45:21 PM EST From: nantes kruger <nantes.kruger@gmail.com> To: SAGenealogie@yahoogroups.comCc: buitenposten@rootsweb.com, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] SA FAMILIE GESKIEDENIS OP DIE INTERNET Hi Lyslede Eerste keer dat ek http://www.southafrica.info/services/genealogy.htm raakloop, gee als saam in 'n neutedop. Gaan definitief een van my kortpaaie (shortcuts) op die rekenaarblad (desktop) word. Baie oulik !!! -- Nantes Kruger Moreleta Park PRETORIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi iAN have you seen this ? L V ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:26 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups - Swellendam "Overberg Origins" > Hi, Nolene. > > "Overberg Origins" was published in 1988. It says it "aims to record the > stamvaders and descendants of those families in this old town who were not > included by C.C. de Villiers in his genealogical classic ..." > > Here is a list of the families included in "Overberg Origins": > > Barry > Burrows > Carncross > Devenish > Emett > Hodgson > Hopley > Kennedy > Moodie > Reid > Reitz > Robertson > Schreiner > Sutton > Tilney > Whyte > > It looks like we do not have any of your people. But, I must say, for > those > included, the genealogies are quite nice. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:45:11 PM EST > From: "Nolene Lossau" <nolene@mweb.co.za> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>, "'SA List'" <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups - Swellendam > > Hi Keith > > > I would appreciate lookup in > Overberg Origins. The English-Speaking Swellendam Families. Edmund > H.Burrows. > > I have the following "English" families in my direct line who were based > in > SWELLENDAM > > DAVIES - Thomas & Sophia (CHILDS)from London - arrived circa 1826 - 1828 - > My direct line is Francis DAVIES, Thomas's son who married Catharina > LAMBERT. > > LAMBERT (Irish origin) - William & Johanna (CLARK) - I have never been > able > to find baptisms for any of their children - I think they may have been > Catholic? > > Related names (not my direct line) in Swellendam are: > > SMITH > GARDNER > KELLY > > Any bits of info on these name will be greatly appreciated. I have full > set > of SAG volumes and have extracted all I can from them........... > > Thanks > Nolene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:umfundi@usa.net] > Sent: 17 December 2011 08:23 AM > To: SA List > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > All, > > As I have done in many years past, I am pleased to offer genealogy advice > and > lookups over the holiday season. Here are some of my newest sources: > > Voortrekkerstamouers 1835-1845 by Jan C. Visagie. 2nd Edition. This is a > truly outstanding work. My admiration for Prof. Visagie has no bounds. > > British Settlers in Natal 1824- 1857 by Shelagh O'Byrne Spencer. 7 > volumes, > A > - Guy. > > Acutts in Africa by Yvonne Miller. I have a second copy of this book, in > very > good condition, for sale. > > Rudman Register and related families. Erasmus, Pote, Kirch > > van Lingen Stamregister > > Die Familie Bruwer, Fayers Marie Williams > > Overberg Origins. The English-Speaking Swellendam Families. Edmund H. > Burrows. > > The Murray Family Registry 1794 - 1977. Caroline Murray. > > Van Riga tot Drakenstein, die Verhaal van Eduart Christiaan Haumann en sy > Nasate, Riel Hauman > > Geslagsregister Coertse(n), Prof. Dr. PJ Coertze > > Heatlies in South Africa, Charles Hugo Heatlie > > Rabie - Rabe, Grebe, Rabe and Rabie > > Die Neethlings in Suid-Afrika, EM Neethling > > 1820 Settler James Mundell and his Descendants, Hilda Mary Corrin > > Die Familie Krige, JD Krige > > Kalm Maar Koppig, Die Familie BOJE en Aanverwante Families, JG (John) > Boje. > > > Let me know. Please be as specific as you can. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet is on the Buitenposten list. buitenposten@rootsweb.com Hetta Scholtz -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:46 PM To: Darryl Allwright (Yahoo) ; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups: RUDMAN Darryl and Moyra: The RUDMAN family was researched by Janet Melville, and published in 1980. Janet was at the University of Port Elizabeth, but she may have retired. Anyway, Janet also contributed her RUDMAN research to SA Genealogies 10 (2004) where the information seems to be more complete. Charle Henry RUDMAN is on p. 246 of SA Genealogies 10. A son appears to have lived in Rhodesia / Zimbabwe, and there are two daughters. I will send photos of the relevant pages. Clarice Beatrix RUDMAN is on p. 249 of SAG 10. She married Mark WADE, divorced, and remarried Ronald WOOD. Her children are listed in the RUDMAN book. Again, I will send photos. Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:17:35 AM EST From: "Darryl Allwright \(Yahoo\)" <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com> To: "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups Dear Keith Thank you for offering Lookups I am interested in the Rudman Family My search is Charles Henry RUDMAN (I have no dates for DOB, family says Ladybrand, OFS and I presume he died +/- 1940 in Transvaal) he married Anne Mildred ALLWRIGHT and had 3 children. After her death he married a second time. Any info on him would be appreciated. His sister Sarah Ann RUDMAN married Mildred's brother Aubrey James ALLWRIGHT Thank you for your effort and time Darryl Allwright ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4687 - Release Date: 12/17/11

The Legend of The Fairy atop the Tree T'was the eve of Christmas and Santa was relaxing with an eggnog. All was at peace! Suddenly..his eye fell on the calendar.. DECEMBER 24..Oh good heavens, the elves must be got ready to load the sleigh..he must span in the reindeer and make ready to fly the world and deliver all his presents. Running down to the toy factory he storms in and..DISASTER..complete CHAOS. Half the elves were lying around drunk having started celebrating too early, another group were walking around with stupid grins on their faces having sampled some ganja from a present for the Rastafarians in Cape Town. The factory was strewn with half completed toys, broken pieces of wood and the production lines were standing still. The storm cloud above Santa's head started to darken. Calling the local elf labour broker he urgently requests 1000 elves to complete the orders for Christmas. The agency says it is short notice and charges him treble rates. Dark thunder sounds from the cloud above his head..this is daylight robbery..but what can he do..he has to have labour. Finally agreeing he gets his elves and puts them to work at once. But oohhh what a disaster. The new elves are not trained and must be shown what to do. Eventually the production lines are moving and toys are starting to be completed. Just then the Union Elf and the Labour Minister from the Elf Government arrive to do an inspection. Looking at all the "temporary" elf workers the minister says they are not registered with the Department and must immediately leave the factory. The Union Elf says they cannot work because they are untrained and have not got the sanction of the Union to work as "scab labour." The DARK CLOUD above Santa's head rumbles and emits lightening flashes. Taking the two officials he sends them down to the local elf restaurant with his Manager for Elf Relations to entertain them as long as possible. Just then Santa's eye catches the clock..20H00..PANIC..the reindeer must be gathered and harnessed..the sleigh must be prepared and all must be ready for him to fly around the world. Charging down to the reindeer camp he sees .. DISASTER..Donder and Blitzen have kicked the poles down and run off into the woods. One of the elf herders gave Rudolph some of the ganja and he was walking around smiling at everything. Running into the woods Santa manages to catch some wild reindeer and get them into camp. Giving Rudolph a "TONIC" Santa starts to harness all the reindeer..but ooohhh what a mess. The lines get crossed and tangled, the reindeer will not stand still and keep on jumping over each other. The thunder cloud above Santa's head is now emitting very loud thunder and bright flashes of lightning shoot out. The reindeer are inspanned and the sleigh is hitched ready to be loaded. Getting the elves to load the sleigh is another matter. The sacks are packed incorrectly and will not fit in their allotted spaces. Grumbling and cursing Santa sorts out the bags and gets them onto the sleigh. As the last sack is loaded the sleigh breaks..DISASTER..the elf mechanic did a half job of repairing the sleigh because their staff party was starting and he did not want to miss all the fun. BOOM..CRASH..goes the thunder cloud above Santa's head and he finally manages to fix the sleigh himself. Now Santa has had enough. He decides he needs a good strong mug of coffee with a large dollop of whiskey before he leaves. Walking into the kitchen he makes his coffee and opening the cupboard he sees his whiskey is finished..the household have been partying early. This is the last straw and Santa is really, really angry. Just then there is a loud and persistent knock on the door. Wrenching the door open Santa sees a little fairy with a huge tree under her arm..."Hey Fatso!" shouts the fairy," where do you want this tree?" And that is the legend of how the fairy got to be on top of the Christmas Tree. Enjoy your Christmas and relax over the festive season.

Hi Pat, These are members of my Glen Avon Hart family.... Cornelia's name was actually Cornelia Magrietha HART born 19 Feb 1869 Somerset East, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 12 July 1953 Lydenberg, Transvaal, Union of South Africa who married twice. One husband, which I presume must have been her second husband as they had no children was Willie FOURIE. As you correctly say her other husband was Charles Philip LIVERSAGE born 18th May 1869 in York Natal died 31st January 1925 Fairview Farm, Klipfontein, Middelburg, Transvaal, Union of South Africa. He was christened on the 23rd January in York Natal. He was the 10th child of Charles LIVERSAGE born 19th October 1833 Manley Flats, near Bathurst, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 22 August 1906 Vryheid, Natal Colony; his mother was Marta Isabella Magdalena or (Maria Magdalena Isabella) MARTENS who was born on the 11nd February 1830 in Pietermaritzburg, Natal. She died 7 September 1884 in Natal. They were married on the 20th October 1856 in Pietermaritzburg, Natal. The children of this marriage were: 1. Anna Maria Johanna Thomasina LIVERSAGE b about 1857 Pietermaritzburg, Natal + spouse 2. Harriet Elizabeth Victoria LIVERSAGE b 5 December 1858 Pietermaritzburg, Natal + spouse 3. Maria Magdalena LIVERSAGE born 7 March 1860, Pietermaritzburg, Natal + spouse 4. Samuel Eckhard LIVERSAGE born 6 July 1861, Pietermaritzburg, Natal + spouse 5. Jan Thomas Martens LIVERSAGE born 8 July 1862 Greytown, Natal + spouse 6. Charles George LIVERSAGE born 16 October 1863 Greytown, Natal 7. Martha Elisabeth LIVERSAGE born about 1864 Greytown, Natal + spouse 8. Johanna Thomasina Martina LIVERSAGE born 14 June 1866 Greytown, Natal + spouse 9. William Hendrik LIVERSAGE born 30 Nov 1867 Greytown, Natal + spouse 10. Charles Phillip LIVERSAGE born 18 May 1869 York, Natal + spouse 11. Elizabeth Catharina Jacoba LIVERSAGE born 7 June 1871 York, Natal died 4 June 1872 12. Sarah Georgina Ellen LIVERSAGE born 30 March1873 York, Natal + spouse 13. Victoria Henryetta LIVERSAGE born 16 January 1875 York, Natal died 23 Apr 1875 14. Henrijetta Jacoba Petronella LIVERSAGE born 16 January 1877 York, Natal + spouse 15. Wilhelmina Magdalena LIVERSAGE born 16 February 1879 York, Natal + spouse Charles Phillip LIVERSAGE & Cornelia 'Nellie' Magrietha HART were married on the 15th June 1891 in Barbeton, Transvaal Republic. Their children were: 1. Cecil LIVERSAGE born on Burnside Farm, Carolina, Transvaal Republic 2. Alice Hart LIVERSAGE born about 1891 Burnside Farm, Carolina, Transvaal Republic 3. Christina Henrietta LIVERSAGE born 29 April 1892 Burnside Farm, Carolina, Transvaal Republic died 12 July 1953 Pretoria, Transvaal, Union of South Africa The following information applies to her mother & several siblings I have inserted the information here as the information was found with respect to her. She was in the Middelburg Concentration Camp from the 10th August 1901 Information found by Jenny Culhane at http://www.lib.uct/ac/za/mss/bccd/Person/84546/Charles_Philipp_Liversage/ information received by me 23rd August 2010. BRITISH CONCENTRATION CAMPS OF THE SOUTH AFRICAN WAR 1900-1902 Personal Details: Name: Mrs Charles Philipp LIVERSAGE Born in the Camp? No Died in the Camp? No Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: Married Nationality: Transvaal Registration as head of family: Yes Unique I.D.: 84546 Camp History: Name: Middelburg RC Age at Arrival: 21 Date of Arrival: 10/08/1901 Date of Departure: 18/04/1902 Destination: Wentworth Tent Number: I1598 Farm History: Burnside District: Carolina Status of Husband: On Commando Relationships: Mrs. Charles Philipp LIVERSAGE is the mother of Master Harry Hart LIVERSAGE is the mother of Master Charles LIVERSAGE is the mother of Miss Christina LIVERSAGE is the mother of Miss Anthorine LIVERSAGE is the mother of Miss Maude LIVERSAGE (The name in the record is given as Mande) Sources: Title: DBC83 Middelburg CR. Type: Camp Register: Location: National Archives, Pretoria Reference Number: DBC83 Notes: P236 Christina was married to Gys Albertus Wilhelmus PARSONS born 3 Feb 1890 Machadodorp, Transvaal Republic died 23 August 1965 Pretoria, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. They had 3 children ....I have the information on them if it's wanted. 4. Arthurina Maria LIVERSAGE born 19 Jan 1895 Burnside Farm, Carolina, Transvaal Republic. She married Pieter Barend BOTHA born 14th August 1892 Queenstown, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 10th December 1922 Waterval Boven, Transvaal, Union of South Africa. They had 5 children. I have some information on these. 5. Henry Hart 'Harry' LIVERSAGE born about 1896 Burnside Farm, Carolina, Transvaal Republic. He died young. 6. Charles Henry LIVERSAGE born about 1897 Burnside Farm, Carolina, Transvaal Republic. Died 1975. He married Anna Susanna MIDDEL who was born 14th July 1907. She died Unknown. They had 6 children. 7. Maude Nellie 'Maudie' LIVERSAGE born 2 November 1899 Fairview Farm, Klipfontein, Middelburg, Transvaal Republic. She died on the 7th November 1989 Rusoord Retirement Home, Lyttleton, Pretoria OBITUARY Die Hoevelder - Vrydag 1 Desember 1989. DOYENNE OF OLD CAROLINA DIES. Local historians will be interested to learn and old Carolinans will be saddened to know of the death on the 7th November of Nellie Maude BRINK (nee LIVERSAGE) in the NGK Old Age Home ("Rusoord") in Lyttleton, Pretoria. Every time a Carolina householder switches on a light, or plugs in an eletrical appliance they re-enact a scene with took place in the 1920's where Mrs. BRINK wife of Clr. Schalk Richard BRINK pulled at the huge power-switch which, for the first time in Carolina's history electrified the town and its surrounds. Carolina draws her power direct from Eskom these days, but in those early years, the town started its own Industrial Revolution with the building of power station in the town, just east of the railway line. All the dignitaries of the area were present at this grand affair which launched Carolina into a new era- from what was then nothing other than a farming village to the dynamic town it is today. Maude (or 'Maudie' as she was affectionately known) was a great benefactress to the indigent and underprivileged, expecially during the Depression years. She was much beloved by the children, especially at Christmas-tide, when the front garden of Clr. Brink's home sported a huge Christmas tree suitably adorned and decorated. Gifts were presented to all who cared to come, especially to those who would receive no other gift than that one given to them by this affectionate, great-hearted lady. The Brink couple were known for their generosity, and the 'open-house' they kept, by the legions of servicemen who were stationed in Carolina prior to "going up North" during the dark days of the Scond World War. One of 'Maudie's sadest recollections of those war years was her farewell to the thousands of men who entrained from Carolina to form the 6th Brigade after the fall of Tobruk. Nellie Maude BRINK was born on the 2nd November 1899 on the farm 'Fairview' between Carolina and Wonderfontein. This sheepfarm was owned by her father Charles Phillip LIVERSAGE of 1820 Settler stock and her mother, Nellie's (nee Tamplin HART) claim to distinction was that she was a direct descendant of Col. Robert HART who came out from England in 1795 under the First British Occupation of the Cape. Soon after his arrival he was granted letters patent to a large farm, today the town of Somerset-West (actually Somerset-East) making him and his family and their descendants the first English Speaking South Africans. Her husband, Ben, as he was familiarly known, was something of a local personage too. Not only was he the owner of the Carolina Trading Company (in Vortrekker Street) but he also served as Chairman of the Finance Committee of the then Carolina Village Council in the 1920's and 30's. Relative of the legendary "Onze Jan" HOFMEYR,he was one of the reception committee to meet the future Edward VIII when the latter, still as the Prince of Wales, stopped over in Carolina on his official tour of South Africa. Clr BRINK not only served the community as village councillor, but ran the tote at the Carolina Racecourse! In addition he was the official driver's licence tester in those days before the Carolina Municipal Traffic Department. The Village Council gave him even stranger duties during the war years - in association with the magistrate, he was required to decide who might obtain fire-arms, and believe it or not who got replacement tyres! He serve in the Carolina Commando under Gnl Louis BOTHA during the 1915 SWA campaign and the family still cherishes today his mention in Despatches by Gnl. Botha "for gallant and distinguished services in the Field". This citation is signed by none other than Winston Churchill then Secretary of State for War. He served with distinction during the DRA Rebellion and after being promoted to Captain Quarter Master was awarded the Efficiency Decoration for meritorious service to Carolina Commando in 1943. He retired in 1945 to Pretoria where he died on the 13th May 1972. Nellie Maude Brink, who died 4 days after her 90th birthday, was the proud mother of 3 daughters (two of whom survive her) and 2 sons (both deceased). She leaves 13 grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren. Carolina residents who might still remember the BRINK family, and more especially, Maude, will be heartened to know that the memories of her life in Carolina from 1899 to 1945 were with her until her last days. I hope this adds to your knowledge of the family. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat McLeod" <mcleod@global.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] William Harrison > Hi > > This may be of some help > > A Cornelia Maria Hart aged 25 married a Charles Philip Liversage on the 15 > June 1891 in Barberton. H B Hart was a witness. > Their children > Christiana Hendrietta B 29 Apr 1892 Komati Dist Lydenberg > Charles Cecil b 2 Dec 1893 Carolina > Henry Hart b 6 May 1895 Carolina > Maria A? b 19 Jan 1897 Carolina > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12423-82322-60?cc=1463648&wc=11038884 > > Regards > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tombi Peck" <tombipeck@talktalk.net> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:15 PM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] William Harrison > > >> Hi Michelle, >> I can shed a little more light on William HARRISON and his family. >> Thank you for his exact date of birth. I had found his likely birth >> record >> (I knew he'd been born in 1857 in Sussex, England) as the 3rd Quarter in >> Worthing, Sussex, England. >> He married Martha Louisa HART on the 3rd June 1891 in Barberton, >> Transvaal >> Republic. She was born on the 12th December 1874 but I don't know who her >> parents were. There are several Martha Louisa HART'S in my HART family, >> but >> none link comfortably with her date of marriage to William HARRISON; they >> were married to other people at the time of that marriage so I have her >> unrelated at the moment. I have their children as: >> 1. Emma-Henrietta HARRISON born 29 August 1894 died Unknown married to >> Philip Rudolph NEL (who is a member of my NEL family). >> 2. William Thomas HARRISON born 22 Jul 1896 >> 3. David Henry HARRISON born 21 Sep 1898 >> 4. Robert O'Connor HARRISON born 20 August 1900 >> 5. Nellie Thompson HARRISON 4 Jun 1903 >> 6. George Arthur HARRISON born 14 April 1905 >> 7. Reginal Uriah HARRISON born 10 Jun 1909 >> 8. Violet Louisa HARRISON born 7 January 1911. >> If anyone can 'tidy up' the information on the various Martha Louisa >> HARTS >> I >> would be extremely grateful. >> Best wishes, >> Tombi Peck >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4688 - Release Date: 12/18/11 >

Hi Keith and Sneena   I have changed the heading of this post   Charles Henry b abt 1862 d +/- 1940 s/o Samuel RUDMAN and Sarah MATTHEWS married Annie Mildred ALLWRIGHT) d/o James Jay Eva ALLWRIGHT and Margaret Ann EDWARDS) 28 March 1907 Thaba Nchu, Orange Free State. Annie Mildred died 25 March 1920 'Spitskop', Ladybrand. Had 3 children 1 son died in Rhodesia and two daughters. He then married Anna Johanna EEDES nee KUYS in Vryburg, b 1866, Caledon, Cape Provonce d 27 March 1950, Pretoria (Her first Husband was Charles Henry EEDES)   There is definitely two Charles Henry RUDMANs   I just need to clarify the dates of my Charles Henry. His Death I have from Anna Johanna RUDMAN's DN TAB MHG 1927/1950 (however it does not give an exact date) Darryl Allwright ________________________________ From: Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 Sheena, What you say does not agree with the RUDMAN register or with SA Genealogies 10 p. 262-3. b10 Johnathan Caleb RUDMAN x Louisa Jane POTE. ... c2 Clara Harriet ... c7 Charles Henry x Anna Helena WATSON. "Sara" may be "Clara". Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:23:58 PM EST From: Sheena Bass <sheenabass@sundowneroaks.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 I have Charles Henry Rudman married to Anna Helena Watson.    This Charles Henry does not have a sister called Sarah - of couse my research may be wrong..... this Charles was born in 1883 and died in 1939.  He was the son of Jonathon Caleb Rudman and Juliana Slater. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheena, What you say does not agree with the RUDMAN register or with SA Genealogies 10 p. 262-3. b10 Johnathan Caleb RUDMAN x Louisa Jane POTE. ... c2 Clara Harriet ... c7 Charles Henry x Anna Helena WATSON. "Sara" may be "Clara". Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:23:58 PM EST From: Sheena Bass <sheenabass@sundowneroaks.com> To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 I have Charles Henry Rudman married to Anna Helena Watson. This Charles Henry does not have a sister called Sarah - of couse my research may be wrong..... this Charles was born in 1883 and died in 1939. He was the son of Jonathon Caleb Rudman and Juliana Slater.

-----Original Message----- From: glynis [mailto:glynis@kwikmark.co.za] Sent: 18 December 2011 08:26 AM To: 'south-africa@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups - Swellendam "Overberg Origins" Hello Keith, I would also appreciate a scanned copy on the SUTTONS - thanks, Glynis -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 18 December 2011 08:18 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups - Swellendam "Overberg Origins" Scanned and sent! Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:06:51 AM EST From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <lacey@yebo.co.za> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups - Swellendam "Overberg Origins" Hi Keith I am very interested in the Suttons and would appreciate the info. Many thanks for sharing. Cheers Jennifer Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] 2 Constantia Court River's End Road Plumstead 7800 Cape Town South Africa Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to dance in the rain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups - Swellendam "Overberg Origins" > Hi, Nolene. > > "Overberg Origins" was published in 1988. It says it "aims to record > the stamvaders and descendants of those families in this old town who > were not included by C.C. de Villiers in his genealogical classic ..." > > Here is a list of the families included in "Overberg Origins": > > Barry > Burrows > Carncross > Devenish > Emett > Hodgson > Hopley > Kennedy > Moodie > Reid > Reitz > Robertson > Schreiner > Sutton > Tilney > Whyte > > It looks like we do not have any of your people. But, I must say, for > those included, the genealogies are quite nice. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:45:11 PM EST > From: "Nolene Lossau" <nolene@mweb.co.za> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>, "'SA List'" > <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups - Swellendam > > Hi Keith > > > I would appreciate lookup in > Overberg Origins. The English-Speaking Swellendam Families. Edmund > H.Burrows. > > I have the following "English" families in my direct line who were > based in SWELLENDAM > > DAVIES - Thomas & Sophia (CHILDS)from London - arrived circa 1826 - > 1828 - My direct line is Francis DAVIES, Thomas's son who married > Catharina LAMBERT. > > LAMBERT (Irish origin) - William & Johanna (CLARK) - I have never been > able to find baptisms for any of their children - I think they may > have been Catholic? > > Related names (not my direct line) in Swellendam are: > > SMITH > GARDNER > KELLY > > Any bits of info on these name will be greatly appreciated. I have > full set of SAG volumes and have extracted all I can from > them........... > > Thanks > Nolene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:umfundi@usa.net] > Sent: 17 December 2011 08:23 AM > To: SA List > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > All, > > As I have done in many years past, I am pleased to offer genealogy > advice and lookups over the holiday season. Here are some of my > newest sources: > > Voortrekkerstamouers 1835-1845 by Jan C. Visagie. 2nd Edition. This > is a truly outstanding work. My admiration for Prof. Visagie has no bounds. > > British Settlers in Natal 1824- 1857 by Shelagh O'Byrne Spencer. 7 > volumes, A > - Guy. > > Acutts in Africa by Yvonne Miller. I have a second copy of this book, > in very good condition, for sale. > > Rudman Register and related families. Erasmus, Pote, Kirch > > van Lingen Stamregister > > Die Familie Bruwer, Fayers Marie Williams > > Overberg Origins. The English-Speaking Swellendam Families. Edmund H. > Burrows. > > The Murray Family Registry 1794 - 1977. Caroline Murray. > > Van Riga tot Drakenstein, die Verhaal van Eduart Christiaan Haumann en > sy Nasate, Riel Hauman > > Geslagsregister Coertse(n), Prof. Dr. PJ Coertze > > Heatlies in South Africa, Charles Hugo Heatlie > > Rabie - Rabe, Grebe, Rabe and Rabie > > Die Neethlings in Suid-Afrika, EM Neethling > > 1820 Settler James Mundell and his Descendants, Hilda Mary Corrin > > Die Familie Krige, JD Krige > > Kalm Maar Koppig, Die Familie BOJE en Aanverwante Families, JG (John) > Boje. > > > Let me know. Please be as specific as you can. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you! On 18 December 2011 21:22, Pat McLeod <mcleod@global.co.za> wrote: > Hi > > This may be of some help > > A Cornelia Maria Hart aged 25 married a Charles Philip Liversage on the 15 > June 1891 in Barberton. H B Hart was a witness. > Their children > Christiana Hendrietta B 29 Apr 1892 Komati Dist Lydenberg > Charles Cecil b 2 Dec 1893 Carolina > Henry Hart b 6 May 1895 Carolina > Maria A? b 19 Jan 1897 Carolina > > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12423-82322-60?cc=1463648&wc=11038884 > > Regards > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tombi Peck" <tombipeck@talktalk.net> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:15 PM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] William Harrison > > > > Hi Michelle, > > I can shed a little more light on William HARRISON and his family. > > Thank you for his exact date of birth. I had found his likely birth > record > > (I knew he'd been born in 1857 in Sussex, England) as the 3rd Quarter in > > Worthing, Sussex, England. > > He married Martha Louisa HART on the 3rd June 1891 in Barberton, > Transvaal > > Republic. She was born on the 12th December 1874 but I don't know who her > > parents were. There are several Martha Louisa HART'S in my HART family, > > but > > none link comfortably with her date of marriage to William HARRISON; they > > were married to other people at the time of that marriage so I have her > > unrelated at the moment. I have their children as: > > 1. Emma-Henrietta HARRISON born 29 August 1894 died Unknown married to > > Philip Rudolph NEL (who is a member of my NEL family). > > 2. William Thomas HARRISON born 22 Jul 1896 > > 3. David Henry HARRISON born 21 Sep 1898 > > 4. Robert O'Connor HARRISON born 20 August 1900 > > 5. Nellie Thompson HARRISON 4 Jun 1903 > > 6. George Arthur HARRISON born 14 April 1905 > > 7. Reginal Uriah HARRISON born 10 Jun 1909 > > 8. Violet Louisa HARRISON born 7 January 1911. > > If anyone can 'tidy up' the information on the various Martha Louisa > HARTS > > I > > would be extremely grateful. > > Best wishes, > > Tombi Peck > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Contessa *Independent Business and Training Consultant *Cell: 082 464 2690 Fax: 086 60 1515 1 P.O Box 12245 Queenswood 0121 Pretoria Gauteng http://mywealthmyfreedom.blogspot.com/

Hi This may be of some help A Cornelia Maria Hart aged 25 married a Charles Philip Liversage on the 15 June 1891 in Barberton. H B Hart was a witness. Their children Christiana Hendrietta B 29 Apr 1892 Komati Dist Lydenberg Charles Cecil b 2 Dec 1893 Carolina Henry Hart b 6 May 1895 Carolina Maria A? b 19 Jan 1897 Carolina https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12423-82322-60?cc=1463648&wc=11038884 Regards Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tombi Peck" <tombipeck@talktalk.net> To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:15 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] William Harrison > Hi Michelle, > I can shed a little more light on William HARRISON and his family. > Thank you for his exact date of birth. I had found his likely birth record > (I knew he'd been born in 1857 in Sussex, England) as the 3rd Quarter in > Worthing, Sussex, England. > He married Martha Louisa HART on the 3rd June 1891 in Barberton, Transvaal > Republic. She was born on the 12th December 1874 but I don't know who her > parents were. There are several Martha Louisa HART'S in my HART family, > but > none link comfortably with her date of marriage to William HARRISON; they > were married to other people at the time of that marriage so I have her > unrelated at the moment. I have their children as: > 1. Emma-Henrietta HARRISON born 29 August 1894 died Unknown married to > Philip Rudolph NEL (who is a member of my NEL family). > 2. William Thomas HARRISON born 22 Jul 1896 > 3. David Henry HARRISON born 21 Sep 1898 > 4. Robert O'Connor HARRISON born 20 August 1900 > 5. Nellie Thompson HARRISON 4 Jun 1903 > 6. George Arthur HARRISON born 14 April 1905 > 7. Reginal Uriah HARRISON born 10 Jun 1909 > 8. Violet Louisa HARRISON born 7 January 1911. > If anyone can 'tidy up' the information on the various Martha Louisa HARTS > I > would be extremely grateful. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Contessa I will forward you invites to the Kruger and Bekker facebook groups. There was also an update on the Bekker family tree published in Familia earlier this year. Ann Tiran and Isabel Groesbeeck is the contact persons for the Bekker info. I also researched the Bekkers on my wife side, especially those that lived in the Heidelberg area. We can correspond off site - my email is nantes.kruger@gmail.com Regards Nantes Pretoria On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Contessa Kruger <contessakruger@gmail.com>wrote: > I am trying to compile my family tree. Bekker / Viljoen (Father) and > Minnaar / Human (Mother) and would like to know if any body can direct me > to specific sauces that might help me or know of existing trees for those > surnames > > -- > Contessa > *Independent Business and Training Consultant > *Cell: 082 464 2690 > Fax: 086 60 1515 1 > P.O Box 12245 > Queenswood > 0121 > Pretoria > Gauteng > http://mywealthmyfreedom.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Nantes Kruger Moreleta Park PRETORIA

I have Charles Henry Rudman married to Anna Helena Watson. This Charles Henry does not have a sister called Sarah - of couse my research may be wrong..... this Charles was born in 1883 and died in 1939. He was the son of Jonathon Caleb Rudman and Juliana Slater. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:15 PM, <south-africa-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Keith's Holiday Lookups (Darryl Allwright (Yahoo)) > 2. Re: Keith's Holiday Lookups (Colleen Thorne) > 3. Re: Keith's Holiday Lookups (Antonio da Camara) > 4. Re: Keith's Holiday Lookups (Antonio da Camara) > 5. Darryl Allwright and Rudman (Francois Greeff) > 6. Lookups: RUDMAN (Keith Meintjes) > 7. Lookups: MUNDELL (Keith Meintjes) > 8. Lookups: SCRUTTON (Keith Meintjes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:31:30 -0800 (PST) > From: "Darryl Allwright \(Yahoo\)" <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > To: "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1324110690.32173.YahooMailNeo@web160806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Dear Keith > ? > Thank you for offering Lookups > ? > I am interested in the Rudman Family > ? > My search is Charles Henry RUDMAN (I have no dates for DOB, family says > Ladybrand, OFS and I presume he died +/- 1940 in Transvaal) he married Anne > Mildred ALLWRIGHT and had 3 children. After her death he married a second > time. Any info on him would be appreciated. > ? > His sister Sarah Ann RUDMAN married Mildred's brother Aubrey James > ALLWRIGHT > ? > Thank you for your effort and time > > Darryl Allwright > > > ________________________________ > From: Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> > To: SA List <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:22 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > All, > > As I have done in many years past, I am pleased to offer genealogy advice > and > lookups over the holiday season.? Here are some of my newest sources: > > Voortrekkerstamouers 1835-1845 by Jan C. Visagie. 2nd Edition.? This is a > truly outstanding work.? My admiration for Prof. Visagie has no bounds. > > British Settlers in Natal 1824- 1857 by Shelagh O'Byrne Spencer.? 7 > volumes, A > - Guy. > > Acutts in Africa by Yvonne Miller.? I have a second copy of this book, in > very > good condition, for sale. > > Rudman Register and related families.? Erasmus, Pote, Kirch > > van Lingen Stamregister > > Die Familie Bruwer, Fayers Marie Williams > > Overberg Origins.? The English-Speaking Swellendam Families.? Edmund H. > Burrows. > > The Murray Family Registry 1794 - 1977. Caroline Murray. > > Van Riga tot Drakenstein, die Verhaal van Eduart Christiaan Haumann en sy > Nasate, Riel Hauman > > Geslagsregister Coertse(n), Prof. Dr. PJ Coertze > > Heatlies in South Africa, Charles Hugo Heatlie > > Rabie - Rabe, Grebe, Rabe and Rabie > > Die Neethlings in Suid-Afrika, EM Neethling? > > 1820 Settler James Mundell and his Descendants, Hilda Mary Corrin > > Die Familie Krige, JD Krige > > Kalm Maar Koppig, Die Familie BOJE en Aanverwante Families, JG (John) Boje. > > > Let me know.? Please be as specific as you can. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:54:29 +0800 > From: Colleen Thorne <colleen.thorne@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > To: SA List <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAAaSjHcp4F3A0vgnFg6evkgByMb2sbpvSsA+wRO_g1Vq_xwr6g@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear Keith > > Thanks for offering lookups and hope you are able to find these names in > the Voortrekkerstamouers. > > I am interested in the names Willem Adriaan LABUSCAGNE, Gerhardus van der > MERWE, Sucilea Johanna VILJOEN, Johan David van ASWEGEN, M J and Pieter > Jacobus NIEMAND, Fredrika Maria Wilhelmina CONRADIE, Anna Adriana Sophia > ELOFF, Johan Christaan, LAMPRECHT, Maria Catharina Jacoba HEUNIS, Nicolaas > Willem KLEYNHANS, Maria Geertruyda Stoffelina van LOGGERENBERG, > > Thank you for your effort and time > Colleen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:51:39 -0600 > From: Antonio da Camara <a.dacamara@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Cc: SA List <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BCE3B486-A790-4CBC-99F2-F236EF7419BC@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Keith > > Am interested in FRIEND. > > > Happy Holidays. > > Tony > > > On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:54 AM, Colleen Thorne wrote: > > > Dear Keith > > > > Thanks for offering lookups and hope you are able to find these names in > > the Voortrekkerstamouers. > > > > I am interested in the names Willem Adriaan LABUSCAGNE, Gerhardus van > der > > MERWE, Sucilea Johanna VILJOEN, Johan David van ASWEGEN, M J and Pieter > > Jacobus NIEMAND, Fredrika Maria Wilhelmina CONRADIE, Anna Adriana Sophia > > ELOFF, Johan Christaan, LAMPRECHT, Maria Catharina Jacoba HEUNIS, > Nicolaas > > Willem KLEYNHANS, Maria Geertruyda Stoffelina van LOGGERENBERG, > > > > Thank you for your effort and time > > Colleen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:51:39 -0600 > From: Antonio da Camara <a.dacamara@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Cc: SA List <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BCE3B486-A790-4CBC-99F2-F236EF7419BC@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Keith > > Am interested in FRIEND. > > > Happy Holidays. > > Tony > > > On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:54 AM, Colleen Thorne wrote: > > > Dear Keith > > > > Thanks for offering lookups and hope you are able to find these names in > > the Voortrekkerstamouers. > > > > I am interested in the names Willem Adriaan LABUSCAGNE, Gerhardus van > der > > MERWE, Sucilea Johanna VILJOEN, Johan David van ASWEGEN, M J and Pieter > > Jacobus NIEMAND, Fredrika Maria Wilhelmina CONRADIE, Anna Adriana Sophia > > ELOFF, Johan Christaan, LAMPRECHT, Maria Catharina Jacoba HEUNIS, > Nicolaas > > Willem KLEYNHANS, Maria Geertruyda Stoffelina van LOGGERENBERG, > > > > Thank you for your effort and time > > Colleen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:35:21 -0000 > From: "Francois Greeff" <goodgreeff@hiddencode.co.uk> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Darryl Allwright and Rudman > To: "'Darryl Allwright \(Yahoo\)'" <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com>, > <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001e01ccbcd9$e0028b50$a007a1f0$@co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Darryl, > I used to run a web site for the Rudman clan. If you are researching the > whole Rudman clan, and not just your own Rudman ancestors, please contact > me. Email me at Greeff@Greeff.info or Skype me, or email your LANDLINE > number to me and I will phone you. > > Regards, > Francois > _____________ > Francois Greeff, 36 Aston Road, London, SW20 8BE, United Kingdom > Phone: 0044 20 8123 4224. Mobile 0044 79 6372 2345. Skype: Greefffrancois. > Greeff Family Web Site: www.Greeff.info > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darryl Allwright (Yahoo) [mailto:darryl.allwright@yahoo.com] > Sent: 17 December 2011 08:32 > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > Dear Keith > ? > Thank you for offering Lookups > ? > I am interested in the Rudman Family > ? > My search is Charles Henry RUDMAN (I have no dates for DOB, family says > Ladybrand, OFS and I presume he died +/- 1940 in Transvaal) he married Anne > Mildred ALLWRIGHT and had 3 children. After her death he married a second > time. Any info on him would be appreciated. > ? > His sister Sarah Ann RUDMAN married Mildred's brother Aubrey James > ALLWRIGHT > ? > Thank you for your effort and time > > Darryl Allwright > > > ________________________________ > From: Keith Meintjes <umfundi@usa.net> > To: SA List <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:22 AM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > All, > > As I have done in many years past, I am pleased to offer genealogy advice > and > lookups over the holiday season.? Here are some of my newest sources: > > Voortrekkerstamouers 1835-1845 by Jan C. Visagie. 2nd Edition.? This is a > truly outstanding work.? My admiration for Prof. Visagie has no bounds. > > British Settlers in Natal 1824- 1857 by Shelagh O'Byrne Spencer.? 7 > volumes, > A > - Guy. > > Acutts in Africa by Yvonne Miller.? I have a second copy of this book, in > very > good condition, for sale. > > Rudman Register and related families.? Erasmus, Pote, Kirch > > van Lingen Stamregister > > Die Familie Bruwer, Fayers Marie Williams > > Overberg Origins.? The English-Speaking Swellendam Families.? Edmund H. > Burrows. > > The Murray Family Registry 1794 - 1977. Caroline Murray. > > Van Riga tot Drakenstein, die Verhaal van Eduart Christiaan Haumann en sy > Nasate, Riel Hauman > > Geslagsregister Coertse(n), Prof. Dr. PJ Coertze > > Heatlies in South Africa, Charles Hugo Heatlie > > Rabie - Rabe, Grebe, Rabe and Rabie > > Die Neethlings in Suid-Afrika, EM Neethling? > > 1820 Settler James Mundell and his Descendants, Hilda Mary Corrin > > Die Familie Krige, JD Krige > > Kalm Maar Koppig, Die Familie BOJE en Aanverwante Families, JG (John) Boje. > > > Let me know.? Please be as specific as you can. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4684 - Release Date: 12/16/11 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:46:53 -0500 > From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups: RUDMAN > To: "Darryl Allwright \(Yahoo\)" <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com>, > <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <554PLqTt20448S03.1324151213@web03.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Darryl and Moyra: > > The RUDMAN family was researched by Janet Melville, and published in 1980. > > Janet was at the University of Port Elizabeth, but she may have retired. > Anyway, Janet also contributed her RUDMAN research to SA Genealogies 10 > (2004) > where the information seems to be more complete. > > Charle Henry RUDMAN is on p. 246 of SA Genealogies 10. A son appears to > have > lived in Rhodesia / Zimbabwe, and there are two daughters. I will send > photos > of the relevant pages. > > Clarice Beatrix RUDMAN is on p. 249 of SAG 10. She married Mark WADE, > divorced, and remarried Ronald WOOD. Her children are listed in the RUDMAN > book. Again, I will send photos. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:17:35 AM EST > From: "Darryl Allwright \(Yahoo\)" <darryl.allwright@yahoo.com> > To: "south-africa@rootsweb.com" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > Dear Keith > ? > Thank you for offering Lookups > ? > I am interested in the Rudman Family > ? > My search is Charles Henry RUDMAN (I have no dates for DOB, family says > Ladybrand, OFS and I presume he died +/- 1940 in Transvaal) he married Anne > Mildred ALLWRIGHT and had 3 children. After her death he married a second > time. Any info on him would be appreciated. > ? > His sister Sarah Ann RUDMAN married Mildred's brother Aubrey James > ALLWRIGHT > ? > Thank you for your effort and time > > Darryl Allwright > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:55:59 -0500 > From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups: MUNDELL > To: <rpcdoc@shaw.ca>, "SA List" <SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <404PLqV382080S04.1324158959@web04.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Russell, > > Yes. Starting on p.10 he is b1 c1 d3 e2. There are four children and two > grandchildren. > > Curiously, he is not listed in SA Genealogies 5 p. 737. > > I will send photos of the relevant pages. > > Best wishes. > > Keith > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:21:39 AM EST > From: <rpcdoc@shaw.ca> > To: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > Dear Keith > > Thanks for the kind offer. > > In the MUNDELL book, are the descendants of Stanley Ernest MUNDELL listed? > > Regards > > Russell > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:15:36 -0500 > From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups: SCRUTTON > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <896PLRDoK7184S03.1324178136@web03.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:43:56 AM EST > From: "Rob Jones" <rob@robjones.co.za> > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Keith's Holiday Lookups > > Dear Kieth. > I would be very interested in the Scrutton Family of Swellendam. Joseph > Scrutton and his son Frederick von Blucher Scrutton. I wonder if they are > mentioned in The English-Speaking Swellendam Families. > Regards, > Rob > > Rob, > > They are not mentioned in the Swellendam book. > > In SA Genealogies 11 p. 212 there is a short entry for Frederick Blucker > Scrutton, his wife, and three daughters. > > If you look at the SA Archives (NAAIRS), there are a lot of documents. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 > ******************************************** > -- Sheena

I am trying to compile my family tree. Bekker / Viljoen (Father) and Minnaar / Human (Mother) and would like to know if any body can direct me to specific sauces that might help me or know of existing trees for those surnames -- Contessa *Independent Business and Training Consultant *Cell: 082 464 2690 Fax: 086 60 1515 1 P.O Box 12245 Queenswood 0121 Pretoria Gauteng http://mywealthmyfreedom.blogspot.com/

Excellent! Thank you Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: nantes kruger <nantes.kruger@gmail.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:55:22 To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Family tree. Bekker/Viljoen and Minnaar/Human Hi Contessa I will forward you invites to the Kruger and Bekker facebook groups. There was also an update on the Bekker family tree published in Familia earlier this year. Ann Tiran and Isabel Groesbeeck is the contact persons for the Bekker info. I also researched the Bekkers on my wife side, especially those that lived in the Heidelberg area. We can correspond off site - my email is nantes.kruger@gmail.com Regards Nantes Pretoria On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Contessa Kruger <contessakruger@gmail.com>wrote: > I am trying to compile my family tree. Bekker / Viljoen (Father) and > Minnaar / Human (Mother) and would like to know if any body can direct me > to specific sauces that might help me or know of existing trees for those > surnames > > -- > Contessa > *Independent Business and Training Consultant > *Cell: 082 464 2690 > Fax: 086 60 1515 1 > P.O Box 12245 > Queenswood > 0121 > Pretoria > Gauteng > http://mywealthmyfreedom.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Nantes Kruger Moreleta Park PRETORIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have a look at the eGGSA website or Genza website. Quite a few Harrisons were mentioned as immigrants in the Immigration records project .----- Also the Durban GSSA branch have access to marriage records for Natal. John Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michele Shaw Sent: 18 December 2011 05:06 PM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lookups - NATAL Hi Keith, PLEASE PLEASE could you help me with: NATAL: Harrison in particular William Harrison, he was born 22 Nov 1857 in Sussex England. I'm not sure what date he came to SA but married here in June of 1891 to Martha Louisa Hart. I would so appreciate any information on him. Kind regards Michele Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4687 - Release Date: 12/17/11

Hi Michelle, I can shed a little more light on William HARRISON and his family. Thank you for his exact date of birth. I had found his likely birth record (I knew he'd been born in 1857 in Sussex, England) as the 3rd Quarter in Worthing, Sussex, England. He married Martha Louisa HART on the 3rd June 1891 in Barberton, Transvaal Republic. She was born on the 12th December 1874 but I don't know who her parents were. There are several Martha Louisa HART'S in my HART family, but none link comfortably with her date of marriage to William HARRISON; they were married to other people at the time of that marriage so I have her unrelated at the moment. I have their children as: 1. Emma-Henrietta HARRISON born 29 August 1894 died Unknown married to Philip Rudolph NEL (who is a member of my NEL family). 2. William Thomas HARRISON born 22 Jul 1896 3. David Henry HARRISON born 21 Sep 1898 4. Robert O'Connor HARRISON born 20 August 1900 5. Nellie Thompson HARRISON 4 Jun 1903 6. George Arthur HARRISON born 14 April 1905 7. Reginal Uriah HARRISON born 10 Jun 1909 8. Violet Louisa HARRISON born 7 January 1911. If anyone can 'tidy up' the information on the various Martha Louisa HARTS I would be extremely grateful. Best wishes, Tombi Peck

Hi Keith, PLEASE PLEASE could you help me with: NATAL: Harrison in particular William Harrison, he was born 22 Nov 1857 in Sussex England. I'm not sure what date he came to SA but married here in June of 1891 to Martha Louisa Hart. I would so appreciate any information on him. Kind regards Michele Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Afternoon, It just mean that it was the "Veldkornet" 's name. This was a person which in a commando type of service had a certain area with a few farms which where under his supervision/command? and the family came from a farm in the area of which he was the "Veldkornet". This Veldcornet was also chosen by the people if I am correct. Regards Petrus On 12/18/11, A. Labuschagne <snowgoose-al@shaw.ca> wrote: > Is there anyone that can help me with the following question > > > > This is one of the entries in the 1844-1894 Baptisms records > > > > Kind & Veldcornet Gebore Gedoopt > Ouders Doopgetuige > > > > Anna Magdalena Sept 8 1851 March 7 1852 > Gerrit Jacobus Snyman the names of the 6 witnesses > > > Catharina Dorothea Botes > > P. Kruger > > > > I understand all the entries in the other columns but not the entry in the > first column. This P. Kruger was listed in the first column in quite a few > entries on the same page and also on other pages. > > > > A. Labuschagne > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Contessa, Check out www.eggsa.org They have links ts ZA family websites, and lots of "how to" information on genealogy. There is a series, "SA Genealogies" that you should look at. Try your library, or Protea Boekhuis in Hatfield. By the way, Barry Kruger has researched the Kruger family - there is a CD you can buy. Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:58:55 PM EST From: Contessa Kruger <contessakruger@gmail.com> To: SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Family tree. Bekker/Viljoen and Minnaar/Human I am trying to compile my family tree. Bekker / Viljoen (Father) and Minnaar / Human (Mother) and would like to know if any body can direct me to specific sauces that might help me or know of existing trees for those surnames -- Contessa *Independent Business and Training Consultant *Cell: 082 464 2690 Fax: 086 60 1515 1 P.O Box 12245 Queenswood 0121 Pretoria Gauteng http://mywealthmyfreedom.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message