Judith, There used to be an index for Johannesburg cemeteries online. All I get now is a "404" error. The index is maintained at the Braamfontein cemetery. You might try calling them. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:06:56 PM EDT From: judith kennerdale <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Westpark Cemetery, Johannesburg Hi, can anyone tell me please if there is a way of finding burials for this cemetery? I'm looking for the 1960's burial of Emeline Lottering. Greatly appreciate any help or advice. kind regardsJudith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Transcribed from CO53/18 at the National Archives in Kew, London Thursday 19 January 1843 Port Elizabeth On Friday the 24th February next, at half past 10am, will be Sold on the spot, the valuable and highly-desirable Landed Property of John THORNHILL Esq, situate at Port Elizabeth, near the new Jetty. The Property consists of a portion of the Erf No.38, upon which is erected:- 1st a Dwelling House, comprising on the ground floor a passage, drawing room, dining and breakfast-room; four bedrooms, a pantry and a kitchen, and two cellars. 2ndly a substantially built Store. 3-storey, 80 feet by 27, adjoining the Dwelling. 3rdly a Building, detached from the above, 53 feet by 18, being a 2-storey Building, at present used as a Bonding Warehouse. The whole of the above Buildings are constructed of Stone and Stock Bricks, under a Slated Roof. They are all new, and are well and substantially built, and are now Let at a yearly rent of £380. To any person engaged or wishing to engage in Mercantile Business at Port Elizabeth the above Property offers advantages which are rarely met with. It is to be disposed of only in consequence of the Proprietor having given up business. Terms of Sale One-third Cash and Mortgage Bonds for one-third at One Year, and the remaining third at Two Years; the last two Instalments bearing Interest from the date of Sale: or, at the option of the Purchaser, £500 in cash and the remainder on Mortgages for One, Two and Three Years, bearing Interest with personal security. Further particulars may be known on application to Messrs BORRADAILES, THOMPSON & PILLANS, Heerengraacht, Cape Town or Messrs W. & J. SMITH & Co, Port Elizabeth. Thursday 26 January 1843 BIRTH at Graham’s Town on Wednesday the 25th instant, the Lady of Charles BELL Esq of a Son. Thursday 2 February 1843 BAPTISED at Butterworth Mission Station on the 25th Dec 1842, by the Rev H. Pearse, Henry Theophilus West FYNN, son of W.M.D. FYNN Esq, Resident Agent. RHODES & ROULSTON Watch and Clock Makers and Jewellers Respectfully announce to their Friends and the Public that they have just received an excellent assortment of Gentlemen’s Patent Lever double bottomed Hunting Watches; Vertical do; Silver curb watch guard Chains. On hand, Silver Soup Ladles, gravy, table, dessert and tea Spoons; Gentlemen’s Diamond Rings; Ladies’ do; Wedding Rings always on hand. Graham’s Town 1st Feb 1843. MARRIED at Sidbury by the Rev Mr Thorpe, on the 6th Jan 1843, Mr. John ROODS to Emma, fourth daughter of Mr. Samuel BURRELL, of Klip Fontein, Albany. Thursday 9 February 1843 DIED at his residence in Graham’s Town on Saturday 4th Feb, Myer SCHRYVER, aged 52 years 5 months and 24 days, after a painful and lingering illness of 4 years, leaving a wife, 2 children and a numerous circle of friends to deplore his loss. BIRTH. Mrs Edward Russel BELL of Graham’s Town was safely delivered of a Son on the 7th current; mother and child both well. Thursday 16 February 1843 Notice The Business of Mutual Conveyancers heretofore conducted under the style of Leopoldus SMIDT, Ferdinandus MACKPARTY, Julia JULIANA and Henry McGEE, has this day been dissolved by mutual consent. It is therefore requested that all Claims against the above firm may be immediately presented at Mr. J. BREHM, as last party has engaged to pay his own debt, and debts due to the same to be paid to the undersigned forthwith, on pain of prosecution, in case of delay. J. JULIANA, for Self and late Co-partners Uitenhage, 7th Feb 1843. DIED in Graham’s Town on the 3rd instant, Mr. Pierce LOWEN, eldest son of Major LOWEN C.M.R. Thursday 23 February 1843 DIED at Graham’s Town on the Evening of the 22nd instant, Jane, wife of Mr. J.F. KRAUSE, aged 28 Years, deeply deplored by all who knew her. Her illness had been lingering and painful but her dissolution was unlooked for by her family and friends till within a few hours of the melancholy event. Thursday 9 March 1843 In the Assigned Estate of H. FOREMAN, Trader, of Cradock All Persons having Claims against the above Estate are requested to forward the same to the Undersigned. A Meeting of the Creditors in said Estate will be held in the Counting-house of the Undersigned on Monday next, at 11 o’clock am. L.H. MEURANT, Assignee The Undersigned, recently arrived from England, where he has practised the Profession of Accountant and General Agent, offers his services in the making up and Arrangement of Accounts, and in the transaction of any Business for which an accurate knowledge of Book-keeping and mercantile proceedings generally may be deemed requisite. Apply to Messrs SHEPHERD and HARLEY, High-street or at his residence, Bathurst-street, next door to the premises of Mr. B. ATTWELL. S. STANGER Thursday 16 March 1843 In the Estate of the late Christoffel Johannes LOMBARD, of the District of Somerset. All Persons having Claims against the above Estate are requested to send them in to the undersigned for adjustment, within six weeks from this date; and all persons indebted to the same are hereby called upon to liquidate their respective accounts within the above period, as the Estate will be finally closed after that date. H.C. LOMBARD Gs Somerset March 16 1843. Mr. A.W. McMASTER, Surgeon and Accoucheur, respectfully intimates to the inhabitants of Graham’s Town and its vicinity that he has commenced the practice of his Profession in all its branches, and trusts by unremitting attention to the inetersts of all who may favor him with their confidence, to obtain a share of public patronage. High-Street, Graham’s Town March 16th 1843 NB Mr. McM intends shortly to occupy Mr. W. SIMPSON’s Premises, Bathurst-street. DREADFUL OCCURRENCE (Communicated) Beaufort, March 3rd 1843 It is my painful task to have to communicate the particulars of a horrid deed of self-destruction, which took place here this evening at twilight, by an inhabitant, in his dwelling: and which, no doubt, will hereafter be proved to have been hastened by fear, excessive agony of mind, and remorse of conscience. This morning the Clerk of the Peace was, for the first time, informed that a person named Jan WILTERS had, on the previous Saturday night, most cruelly beaten and dreadfully ill-used a woman of color who was living with him, and that she had not since been seen, nor had any satisfactory account been given of her. Those few who were at all acquainted with the circumstance were people of color, with the exception of the man’s own family: and it therefore in some measure accounts for the event having for some days been kept in the dark; but immediately on the Clerk of the Peace having been made acquainted with the affair, he lost no time in making further inquiries; and so satisfied was he that the unhappy man had been guilty of a most cruel assault – and perhaps of a much worse crime – that a warrant was issued for his apprehension. The senior constable and two others were employed to execute it. They directly proceeded to the residence of WILTERS. He was observed sitting not far from his house; but as the constables drew near, he made for it, and got there before them, and immediately entered. On their arrival they observed him in a front room; but before they could enter, the door was suddenly closed, and they were informed by one of his daughters that her father was not at home. WILTERS being a powerful man, and supposing that he meditated a violent resistance – even perhaps with fire-arms – two of the men were left to guard the house, while the other two went to obtain further assistance. Not long after this, the report of a gun was heard from the house; the window was forced, a light was obtained, and the wretched man was found stretched o his back on the floor of the room, lifeless, with the gun lying across his legs, and in which position it had fallen when he fell. The gun is what is called a hair-trigger, to which he had fastened a strip of tanned skin, which he must have placed under his feet, and the muzzle of the gun under his chin, gave it a jerk, and it thus exploded. On the district surgeon examining the body he perceived that a bullet had entered the mouth, and gone through the upper part of the head near the crown, and thus through the thatch at the top of the roof of the house; and which proves that he must have shot himself standing nearly upright. The woman, or her remains, have not yet been found. People were, however, sent today to look for traces. Tracks supposed to be WILTERS’ were found, and upon them some spots of blood. It was getting late, and the party returned, but will proceed in search again tomorrow. It has now been ascertained that the conduct of this wretched man has been very suspicious since Saturday last. He has been observed several times wandering about the country in the vicinity of Beaufort, in the most disconsolate manner, and if reports are to be believed, he must have meditated, in the interval, suicide; and there is scarcely a doubt but that it will be found that he murdered the woman. This man was once occupied as an agriculturalist in this district, and was in fair circumstances. He has left five unfortunate children, four girls and one boy. DIED at Graham’s Town on the evening of the 11th March 1843, Henry Andrew, second son of Garrison Serjeant-Major Henry DRENNAN, aged 3 years and 6 months. BIRTH on Tuesday the 14th instant, the wife of Mr. James Cattrell HOOLE of a Daughter. Thursday 23 March 1843 BIRTH at Burnshill, Kafferland on the 16th inst, the wife of Mr. A. McDIARMID of a Son. DIED at Burnshill, Kafferland on the 12th inst, of Dysentery, Christina, youngest daughter of Mr. A. McDIARMID, aged 3 years and 11 months. DIED at Graham’s Town on Tuesday morning, the 21st instant, Louisa Eleanor Catherine, only daughter of Francis Henry and Johanna Hendrieka COLE, aged 5 months. Notice to Creditors and Debtors In the Estate of Jacobus Adriaan LOUW, deceased, and surviving spouse Johanna Catharina POTGIETER, of the District of Uitenhage. All Persons having any Claims against the above Estate are requested to file them with the undersigned, No.16 Caledon-street, Uitenhage, within two months from this date; and all persons indebted to the said estate are requested to discharge their debts within the same period. J.G. LUYT, Executor Dative Uitenhage Town, 14th march 1843. Thursday 30 March 1843 Doctor PARROTT may be consulted in all the Branches of the Medical Profession, at his residence in Fort Beaufort, daily; or he will visit Patients in the Country if required to do so. Fort Beaufort, 21st March 1843.

Pat Let me explain correctly. I have a photograph of the entire Squadron around, under and on top of an aircraft and wanted put the names on the back before preserving it. I was the names of the squadron member that I inquired about and told that it was still classified information. Lucky Sounds like a good excuse to do nothing! Pat

What was her name? On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Sigrid de Wit <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear all, > > Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a > medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we > know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly > elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > Sigrid. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sounds like a good excuse to do nothing! Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:58 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] ] military records > Hello Sigrid > > I tried to get information on my father who was with 23 Squadron, but was > told that is still classified information, and he was only an Air > Machanic. > > Lucky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sigrid de Wit > Sent: 29 October 2013 01:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] military records > > Dear all, > > The find of my granny's medals has spurred a quest for more knowledge on > her > past. Is there anyone here who can advise me on where to look or who to > ask > for what my granny did during the second world war? I know she was in > Cairo > and did something with intelligence, but is there anywhere we could search > or enquire what exactly she did and during which years she was there? > > Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > > Sigrid. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3222/6289 - Release Date: 10/28/13 >

As a South African she would have been either a WAAS (Women's Auxiliary Army Services) or a WAAF (Women's Auxiliary Airforce Service.) I was a WAAS. Can't remember if there were any Naval auxiliaries So my guess would be WAAS for your granny. I was 4 years in the army. She would have been issued with demobilisation papers. I suggest you look for any references to Women - google turns up some surprising info. Though it was the Defence Department in Pretoria which sent me my medals and also quite a lot of info about my ex-boyfriend! And that was long after the war. So ask very nicely. I cannot think that much would be still under wraps now, though I do know that in England stuff about WW1 and armies of occupation (1918-1922) is still under some sort of 100 year ban probably because of something criminal...I do know from research that one man was shot for raping a German girl while on duty with the Army of Occupation on the Rhine. All this is a bit rambling, Sigrid. Hope it makes some sense. Was your granny a nurse? There were many SA nurses there and many WAAS too. Patricia Frykberg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sigrid de Wit" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:38 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] military records > Dear all, > > The find of my granny's medals has spurred a quest for more knowledge on > her > past. Is there anyone here who can advise me on where to look or who to > ask > for what my granny did during the second world war? I know she was in > Cairo > and did something with intelligence, but is there anywhere we could search > or enquire what exactly she did and during which years she was there? > > Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > > Sigrid. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3222/6289 - Release Date: 10/28/13 >

Good Morning all, For Brian BARRETT. Brian your mail is bouncing so I am replying via the list. Thank you for the copy of the Cremation Request I received, however you have given me a pandora's box. Elzabe Glenda GEBHARDT was married to Brian GEBHARDT. She passed away on 09.03.2001 in East London. I know Brian was twice married, but Elzabe is now a third wife which muddies the water even more. If any lister who has access to the Dept of Justice website could they kindly look up her estate number as I just cannot get through to that site. Brian has also since passed away and I need his DN as well. Would anyone know if the firm Jones & Rice- H.T.Group of Park Avenue, East London still exists? Thanks to all for being such fantastis people, Rod g From:[email protected] Sent:2013/10/28 02:39:21 PM To:[email protected] Cc: Subject:RE: RE: GEBHARDT Elizabeth Glenda Hi Rod, So sorry about the delay, please accept my apologies, the “APPLICATION FOR CREMATION” is attached. Regards, Brian From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 October 2013 06:06 To: [email protected] Subject: GEBHARDT Elizabeth Glenda Good Morning BRIAN, Did you ever get an opportunity to go to the Crematorium and lookm uo the doc you mentioned? If you have I would gladly like a copy please. Regards, Rod g From:[email protected] Sent:2013/05/13 10:59:26 AM To:[email protected] Cc: Subject:RE: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] GEBHARDT Elizabeth Glenda Hi Rod g, Yes I am still "Active" on the list, but just hang in there for a few days, originally I given this data copied onto a flash drive, I have now managed to photograph the hand written Index Book itself and am still busy transcribing the pages (Still busy with the "A") there appears to be a error with the Year of the Cremation or the spelling of the name, next time I go to the Crem in Cambridge I will request to view the actual "Request to carry out a Cremation Form submitted by the Undertaker" and come back to you. Brian Good Morning all, I am trying to tie up loose family members and I came across, on egssa bmd records a transcription for Elizabeth Glenda GEBHARDT, housewife, married and died on 09 March, 2001. > Taken from the East London Cremetorium registers for Cambridge Oct, 1996 to May, 2004, done by Brian BARRETT. Unfortunately I could not see an entry number. If Brian is still active on the Lists I would like to try and find out if her husband or a member of her family is noted in the register as I do not have her on my data base, and becuase our family originates from the EL area. Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN

Hello Sigrid I tried to get information on my father who was with 23 Squadron, but was told that is still classified information, and he was only an Air Machanic. Lucky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sigrid de Wit Sent: 29 October 2013 01:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] military records Dear all, The find of my granny's medals has spurred a quest for more knowledge on her past. Is there anyone here who can advise me on where to look or who to ask for what my granny did during the second world war? I know she was in Cairo and did something with intelligence, but is there anywhere we could search or enquire what exactly she did and during which years she was there? Thanks in advance! Regards, Sigrid. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, The find of my granny's medals has spurred a quest for more knowledge on her past. Is there anyone here who can advise me on where to look or who to ask for what my granny did during the second world war? I know she was in Cairo and did something with intelligence, but is there anywhere we could search or enquire what exactly she did and during which years she was there? Thanks in advance! Regards, Sigrid.

Thank you for this interesting information, and in the list I spotted the name of "Sailor" Malan whose very interesting story can be read on Wikepedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Malan Adrian Rowe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bart Simon Sent: 29 October 2013 12:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain MGC: Approx. 2936 airman took part in the BOB. The clasp was only given to pilots/crew that flew in "fighter" planes. Other airmen of different nationalities that took part were: South Africa 25; Southern Rhodesia 3; etc. A genuine [BATTLE OF BRITAIN clasp on its original 1939-1945 Star] is rare and worth a lot of money. [After the Battle it was decided that every Allied airman who took part should be entitled to the “immediate” award of the 1939-45 Star with Battle of Britain clasp. The qualification that was decided on for this award was that an airman must have made one authorised operational flight with a designated unit (of which there were 71 under the control of Fighter Command) between 10 July and 31 October 1940.]. The "medal" I assume must be the [1939-45 Star] with the [Battle of Britain clasp] ?. From this list here, at least 12 of the 25 South African pilots/crew were killed (Only 23 names on the list?), do you recognise any of the name/surnames ?: http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/BattleofBritainRollofHonour.cfm B.S. [!!!] ===================== From: John Deare Subject: RE: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Aha...so it was a clasp and not a medal. Big difference. Thanks Bart for the link with explanation of copies. I guess 'fakes' are a big industry. John. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain The Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939/45 Star: http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/hartleyi/bobclasp.htm Worth a read. I suspect a near family member was pilot or crew of an aircraft who lived/died in the BOB.... ====================== From: John Deare Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Maybe all troops, airmen/women who were involved in the service received it as a token of appreciation. John -----Original Message----- Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Dear all, Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? Thanks! Regards, Sigrid. -------------------------------

MGC: Approx. 2936 airman took part in the BOB. The clasp was only given to pilots/crew that flew in "fighter" planes. Other airmen of different nationalities that took part were: South Africa 25; Southern Rhodesia 3; etc. A genuine [BATTLE OF BRITAIN clasp on its original 1939-1945 Star] is rare and worth a lot of money. [After the Battle it was decided that every Allied airman who took part should be entitled to the “immediate” award of the 1939-45 Star with Battle of Britain clasp. The qualification that was decided on for this award was that an airman must have made one authorised operational flight with a designated unit (of which there were 71 under the control of Fighter Command) between 10 July and 31 October 1940.]. The "medal" I assume must be the [1939-45 Star] with the [Battle of Britain clasp] ?. From this list here, at least 12 of the 25 South African pilots/crew were killed (Only 23 names on the list?), do you recognise any of the name/surnames ?: http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/BattleofBritainRollofHonour.cfm B.S. [!!!] ===================== From: John Deare Subject: RE: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Aha...so it was a clasp and not a medal. Big difference. Thanks Bart for the link with explanation of copies. I guess 'fakes' are a big industry. John. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain The Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939/45 Star: http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/hartleyi/bobclasp.htm Worth a read. I suspect a near family member was pilot or crew of an aircraft who lived/died in the BOB.... ====================== From: John Deare Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Maybe all troops, airmen/women who were involved in the service received it as a token of appreciation. John -----Original Message----- Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Dear all, Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? Thanks! Regards, Sigrid. -------------------------------

Aha...so it was a clasp and not a medal. Big difference. Thanks Bart for the link with explanation of copies. I guess 'fakes' are a big industry. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bart Simon Sent: 28 October 2013 06:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain The Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939/45 Star: http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/hartleyi/bobclasp.htm Worth a read. I suspect a near family member was pilot or crew of an aircraft who lived/died in the BOB.... ====================== From: John Deare Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Maybe all troops, airmen/women who were involved in the service received it as a token of appreciation. John -----Original Message----- Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Dear all, Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? Thanks! Regards, Sigrid. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6788 - Release Date: 10/28/13

The Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939/45 Star: http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/hartleyi/bobclasp.htm Worth a read. I suspect a near family member was pilot or crew of an aircraft who lived/died in the BOB.... ====================== From: John Deare Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Maybe all troops, airmen/women who were involved in the service received it as a token of appreciation. John -----Original Message----- Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Dear all, Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? Thanks! Regards, Sigrid. -------------------------------

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Hi Bill >From the Union Congregational Chapel, PE register there is this entry MACARTHER Mary Jane to Charles & Agnes b 9 Jan 1868 Take care Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Rodger Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Searching for McArthurs On 28 Oct 2013, at 7:36 AM, bill weidner wrote (snip): > Of particular difficulty is Joseph McAthur & his sibling Susan Ann > we deduce probably born born c. 1864 > & 1866.We have found Susan's death notice, so Joseph remains an > enigma along with his wife Bertha. > Mary Jane, Albert, James, Agnes, Ethel Emily, Jessie had > their births registered at Port Elizabeth's Hill St Presbyterian > Church > between 1868 and 1879. That Church is known as The Hill Presbyterian Church; I don't think there is a "Hill Street", or not there anyway -- the whole area is known as The Hill and in those days was where the toffs lived. My brother used to be the Session Clerk of that congregation, but now lives in the suburbs; it was NOT inhabited by toffs in his days there, but had gone the way of many inner-city precincts the world around.

On 28 Oct 2013, at 7:36 AM, bill weidner wrote (snip): > Of particular difficulty is Joseph McAthur & his sibling Susan Ann > we deduce probably born born c. 1864 > & 1866.We have found Susan's death notice, so Joseph remains an > enigma along with his wife Bertha. > Mary Jane, Albert, James, Agnes, Ethel Emily, Jessie had > their births registered at Port Elizabeth's Hill St Presbyterian > Church > between 1868 and 1879. That Church is known as The Hill Presbyterian Church; I don't think there is a "Hill Street", or not there anyway -- the whole area is known as The Hill and in those days was where the toffs lived. My brother used to be the Session Clerk of that congregation, but now lives in the suburbs; it was NOT inhabited by toffs in his days there, but had gone the way of many inner-city precincts the world around. Andrew Rodger [email protected]

Bill Weidner from Creswick Australia writing. I'm researching McArthur/ Mc Arthur/ MacArthur and Mac arthur - with difficulty. Charles McArthur and Agnes born Smith arrived via Ireland (originally from Soctland) on SS John Vanner 1862 as part of an immigration scheme to a timber plantation in Knysna. Spriggs, Fitchat, Minoi, and Venter partners in the next generation - some found, some not,only one McArthur male of the born to the eight siblings - to James McArthur, a son named Errol, who then had only female child, so the McArthur name died out. Albert married Ellen Venter in 1897, she remarried in 1903 (Aaron Payne) but declared herself a spinster (but signed Ellen Caroline McArthur) on the special marriage licence. Albert "disappeared" ?in the Boer War? SAndfoc have been unable to find him in their records. Of particular difficulty is Joseph McAthur & his sibling Susan Ann we deduce probably born born c. 1864 & 1866.We have found Susan's death notice, so Joseph remains an enigma along with his wife Bertha. Mary Jane, Albert, James, Agnes, Ethel Emily, Jessie had their births registered at Port Elizabeth's Hill St Presbyterian Church between 1868 and 1879. Charles died 1880. Agnes remarried in 1891 - James Fitchat of bakery fame in Grahamstown. They removed top Bloemfontein c. 1895. Likely the Knysna births were registered at the Prfesbyterian church at Knysna - Is there one of that era? and where would I start looking please - anyone. Next generations of Spriggs, Minoi, Price-Davies, Fitchat, Weil, Gibb (Gibb migrated to Australia 1907) still chunks of information missing as Agnes Bella Gibb (my maternal grandmother) gave misinformation to the next generation probably as a smokescreen due to her first child Violet Maud being illegitimate. She would not be impressed that we have discovered our ancestors and we're not sure if that was the reason, or that the man who married her in 1895 committed bigamy by doing so, having deserted his wife and two sons back in Australia. A fragmented family, one of many I'm certain. I'd just like to find the missing pieces in our "jigsaw puzzle" by finding Joseph and his wife known only to us as Bertha. He is the only one I've never been able to trace "anywhere" but I have found his son - Joseph Sidney who married Kathleen Maria Winchester in 1931 in Pretoria. Their daughter Naomi was born 1934, and she's possibly still alive, but elderly. I have posted a request for Naomi on a number of public bulletin boards, with no response at all. Thanks anyone in anticipation, my regards to all family researchers, we are contributing to keeping the economy buoyant by subs to various website and data bases in our individual quests to search for ancestors. Bill Weidner Creswick Australia

Maybe all troops, airmen/women who were involved in the service received it as a token of appreciation. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sigrid de Wit Sent: 27 October 2013 11:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Battle of Britain Dear all, Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? Thanks! Regards, Sigrid. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6786 - Release Date: 10/27/13

Maybe someone has jumped to confusions regarding the British Red Cross Medal. http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?products_id=4418 Francois Greeff

Dear all, Does anyone know why my South African grandmother would have received a medal for the Battle of Britain during the Second World War? As far as we know she wasn't stationed in Britain but rather in Cairo and possibly elsewhere in Africa. Can anyone shed light on this matter? Thanks! Regards, Sigrid.