On 16 Nov 2013, at 9:30 PM, Colin Möhr wrote: > Dear Rod, > I too have been searching for these records. Someone mentioned that > there > was a Godeffroy museum in Germany but I know not where. > Colin Mohr Google it. It appears to have become defunct, largely as a result of the demise of its founder, a wealthy Hamburg merchant of that name, around 1881, and its collections dispersed to a number of other museums in Germany and beyond. It seems to have contained principally geographical, natural history and ethnographical collections, at last one of which (butterflies) is in the State Museum, Melbourne, while others are in Cambridge, Leyden and a number of other European museums. The areas from which the specimens came were mainly Australia, South-East Asia and Oceania. Andrew Rodger [email protected]

Morning Keith,Thanks for the threads. I would read them during the week. If my memory serves me young Wilhelm was sentenced to death for "excessively punishing a slave." I am told his grave stone is in the Paarl Museum.Regards,Rod g From: [email protected] Sent: 2013/11/18 05:10:28 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: RE: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Gebhardt and Simonsvlei All, This is for Rod and anyone else who may be interested. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/south-africa/2007-01/1169491873 I was browsing through my books and happened to open ">From Riga to Drakenstein, the story of Eduardt Christian Haumann and his descendants" by Riel Hauman. (The book is in Afrikaans, the title is my translation.) I was interested to note a map of Simonsvlei, and another account of the Rev. Gebhardt's tenure as owner. My own account is here: http://www.e-family.co.za/Meintjes/Watney%20Sedgefield%20r1v3.htm Helena Krugel seems to have had an unfortunate propensity in her choice of husbands. In "From Riga" it mentions that Eduard Haumann had beaten some of his slaves to death (she was his last wife). Later, she married the Rev. Gebhardt whose son, Willem, was to beat a slave to death in 1822 and to then be executed for that deed within a few weeks. Riel Hauman, "Van Riga tot Drakenstein", ISBN 0 620 10752 9 (self-published, 1987). Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, This is for Rod and anyone else who may be interested. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/south-africa/2007-01/1169491873 I was browsing through my books and happened to open "From Riga to Drakenstein, the story of Eduardt Christian Haumann and his descendants" by Riel Hauman. (The book is in Afrikaans, the title is my translation.) I was interested to note a map of Simonsvlei, and another account of the Rev. Gebhardt's tenure as owner. My own account is here: http://www.e-family.co.za/Meintjes/Watney%20Sedgefield%20r1v3.htm Helena Krugel seems to have had an unfortunate propensity in her choice of husbands. In "From Riga" it mentions that Eduard Haumann had beaten some of his slaves to death (she was his last wife). Later, she married the Rev. Gebhardt whose son, Willem, was to beat a slave to death in 1822 and to then be executed for that deed within a few weeks. Riel Hauman, "Van Riga tot Drakenstein", ISBN 0 620 10752 9 (self-published, 1987). Keith

Regrettably they are very slow and cannot be hurried! Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Wynne Sent: 17 November 2013 04:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Mother's maiden/surname on South African birth certificates Thanks. I'll order a Vault copy. I suppose that means I'll have to wait another 6 months. Is there a quicker way? Cheers, John On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Milly & Adrian Rowe <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi John > > To the best of my knowledge there are 3 types of Birth certificate > available in SA, a Vault copy, an Unabridged and an Abridged. As a > genealogist always order a Vault copy as this contains the most > information which can include father's occupation. > > I have in front of me a copy of my original "Birth Certificate" > (B.M.D. 5) (in 1945) issued shortly after I was born, which is typed > and shows Union of South Africa on the top and was "issued in terms of > Section 40 of Act No. > 17 > of 1923". It does not contain the same amount of information which > appears on my copy of my hand written Vault Copy. On the Vault Copy > it requires info on the "Father of the Child" and "Mother of the > Child" and in both cases requires "Birthplace" and "Age". The age is > carried forward onto the Unabridged Birth Certificate in the place where it states "Date of Birth". > In more recent years Identity numbers and actual date of birth were > required under the parents details. When computers were introduced > the information had to be captured from the original hand written > Register book (B.M.D.1) and this relied on the diligence of the person > doing the capturing. There is no way of knowing whether the father > and mother were married. > > It may still be worth your while to order the Vault Copy of the Birth > Certificate (at the same price) to see what extra info you can glean. > > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Wynne > Sent: 17 November 2013 02:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Mother's maiden/surname on South African birth > certificates > > Can someone please help me understand the format of South African > birth certificates? > > I have a 2013 copy of an Unabridged Birth Certificate recording a 1924 > birth, which states " PARTICULARS FROM THE POPULATION REGISTER > I.R.O.", and the entries are all typewritten. > > This is the first SA birth certificate I have seen, so can't compare > it to others. > > It lists both the father's name and the mother's name. In the space > labelled MAIDEN/SURNAME the mother's maiden name is listed only. Does > this have any significance as to whether the mother was actually > married to the father at the time? > > Interestingly both parents' dates of birth are blank, their place of > birth listed as "NOT STATED", and their country of birth listed as > "UNKNOWN". Is this unusual? There's no information on who provided the information. > > I'd appreciate any insights you can offer. > > Thanks. > > John

Hi John To the best of my knowledge there are 3 types of Birth certificate available in SA, a Vault copy, an Unabridged and an Abridged. As a genealogist always order a Vault copy as this contains the most information which can include father's occupation. I have in front of me a copy of my original "Birth Certificate" (B.M.D. 5) (in 1945) issued shortly after I was born, which is typed and shows Union of South Africa on the top and was "issued in terms of Section 40 of Act No. 17 of 1923". It does not contain the same amount of information which appears on my copy of my hand written Vault Copy. On the Vault Copy it requires info on the "Father of the Child" and "Mother of the Child" and in both cases requires "Birthplace" and "Age". The age is carried forward onto the Unabridged Birth Certificate in the place where it states "Date of Birth". In more recent years Identity numbers and actual date of birth were required under the parents details. When computers were introduced the information had to be captured from the original hand written Register book (B.M.D.1) and this relied on the diligence of the person doing the capturing. There is no way of knowing whether the father and mother were married. It may still be worth your while to order the Vault Copy of the Birth Certificate (at the same price) to see what extra info you can glean. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Wynne Sent: 17 November 2013 02:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Mother's maiden/surname on South African birth certificates Can someone please help me understand the format of South African birth certificates? I have a 2013 copy of an Unabridged Birth Certificate recording a 1924 birth, which states " PARTICULARS FROM THE POPULATION REGISTER I.R.O.", and the entries are all typewritten. This is the first SA birth certificate I have seen, so can't compare it to others. It lists both the father's name and the mother's name. In the space labelled MAIDEN/SURNAME the mother's maiden name is listed only. Does this have any significance as to whether the mother was actually married to the father at the time? Interestingly both parents' dates of birth are blank, their place of birth listed as "NOT STATED", and their country of birth listed as "UNKNOWN". Is this unusual? There's no information on who provided the information. I'd appreciate any insights you can offer. Thanks. John

Thanks. I'll order a Vault copy. I suppose that means I'll have to wait another 6 months. Is there a quicker way? Cheers, John On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Milly & Adrian Rowe <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi John > > To the best of my knowledge there are 3 types of Birth certificate > available > in SA, a Vault copy, an Unabridged and an Abridged. As a genealogist > always > order a Vault copy as this contains the most information which can include > father's occupation. > > I have in front of me a copy of my original "Birth Certificate" (B.M.D. 5) > (in 1945) issued shortly after I was born, which is typed and shows Union > of > South Africa on the top and was "issued in terms of Section 40 of Act No. > 17 > of 1923". It does not contain the same amount of information which appears > on my copy of my hand written Vault Copy. On the Vault Copy it requires > info on the "Father of the Child" and "Mother of the Child" and in both > cases requires "Birthplace" and "Age". The age is carried forward onto the > Unabridged Birth Certificate in the place where it states "Date of Birth". > In more recent years Identity numbers and actual date of birth were > required > under the parents details. When computers were introduced the information > had to be captured from the original hand written Register book (B.M.D.1) > and this relied on the diligence of the person doing the capturing. There > is no way of knowing whether the father and mother were married. > > It may still be worth your while to order the Vault Copy of the Birth > Certificate (at the same price) to see what extra info you can glean. > > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Wynne > Sent: 17 November 2013 02:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Mother's maiden/surname on South African birth > certificates > > Can someone please help me understand the format of South African birth > certificates? > > I have a 2013 copy of an Unabridged Birth Certificate recording a 1924 > birth, which states " PARTICULARS FROM THE POPULATION REGISTER I.R.O.", and > the entries are all typewritten. > > This is the first SA birth certificate I have seen, so can't compare it to > others. > > It lists both the father's name and the mother's name. In the space > labelled > MAIDEN/SURNAME the mother's maiden name is listed only. Does this have any > significance as to whether the mother was actually married to the father at > the time? > > Interestingly both parents' dates of birth are blank, their place of birth > listed as "NOT STATED", and their country of birth listed as "UNKNOWN". Is > this unusual? There's no information on who provided the information. > > I'd appreciate any insights you can offer. > > Thanks. > > John > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can someone please help me understand the format of South African birth certificates? I have a 2013 copy of an Unabridged Birth Certificate recording a 1924 birth, which states " PARTICULARS FROM THE POPULATION REGISTER I.R.O.", and the entries are all typewritten. This is the first SA birth certificate I have seen, so can't compare it to others. It lists both the father's name and the mother's name. In the space labelled MAIDEN/SURNAME the mother's maiden name is listed only. Does this have any significance as to whether the mother was actually married to the father at the time? Interestingly both parents' dates of birth are blank, their place of birth listed as "NOT STATED", and their country of birth listed as "UNKNOWN". Is this unusual? There's no information on who provided the information. I'd appreciate any insights you can offer. Thanks. John

Hi Keith, The book "For Men Must Work" contains the passenger lists of the six ships which brought the 1858/59 settlers to SA. Regards, Rod g From: [email protected] Sent: 2013/11/17 04:16:57 AM To: [email protected],[email protected] Cc: Subject: RE: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1858/59 German immigration to SA But, Schnell's book is a general account and does not contain lists of immigrants. It does have some names. "For men must work, and women must weep, ..." Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:05:51 PM EST From: "Steve Hayes" To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1858/59 German immigration to SA On 16 Nov 2013 at 14:36, Richard Ball wrote: > Hello Rod, > > Saturday, November 16, 2013 you wrote: > > rtcz> My g-g-gfather August Hermann GEBHARDT came out on the first > rtcz> immigrant ship from Hamburg. I understand from comments on the > rtcz> Lists that the agent who was then transporting these settlers, > rtcz> Godeffroy and Sons, was declared insolvent many years ago and > rtcz> that their records are possibly stored in Hamburg. > > You don't mention a date. I have no knowledge of these ships but have > you tried: > > http://www.safrika.org/schiff_en.html And this: Schnell, E.L.G. 1954. For men must work. Cape Town: Maskew Miller. Dewey: 325.23409687 SCH An account of German immigration to the Cape with special reference to the German military settlers of 1857 and the German immigrants of 1858. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Richard, My g-g-gfather came out on the Caesar Godeffroy which arived off East London on 07 July, 1858, being the first of six ships bringing new immigrants to SA. Regards, Rod g From: [email protected] Sent: 2013/11/16 04:36:05 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: RE: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1858/59 German immigration to SA Hello Rod, Saturday, November 16, 2013 you wrote: rtcz> My g-g-gfather August Hermann GEBHARDT came out on the first rtcz> immigrant ship from Hamburg. I understand from comments on the rtcz> Lists that the agent who was then transporting these settlers, rtcz> Godeffroy and Sons, was declared insolvent many years ago and rtcz> that their records are possibly stored in Hamburg. You don't mention a date. I have no knowledge of these ships but have you tried: http://www.safrika.org/schiff_en.html Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi There The Maseti database is totally corrupted and not worth any thing. The columns have been sorted incorrectly in the entire collection of their excel sheets. They have the wrong husbands with the wrong wife's as well as the executors on thousands of the records. Also the data belongs to the Department of Justice and cannot just be lifted and used. Permissions are required from the Head of that department. Good luck Heather From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Saturday 16 November 2013 at 7:52 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Masters Office Estate Files Index (MASETI) Hi Keith, The MASETI xls file data is sorted alphabetically by FORENAME ... most odd, but there you have it. In addition, the Deceased's Surname is actually the spouse's surname and vice-versa. They're not the easiest indexes to navigate. That was the reason I extracted and re-worked the 1974 data, to make it easier to locate the relevant images, recently made available on the familysearch site. best wishes, Leanne On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Keith Meintjes <[email protected]> wrote: > The MASETI indexes are here: > > http://www.justice.gov.za/master/m_main.htm > > Near the bottom of the page you will find two links to MASETI DATA. I am > still trying to figure out what to do with it. > > By all accounts, customer service at the Cape Town Master's Office is > non-existent. I have been told not to bother. > > Keith > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 02:01:01 PM EST > From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> > To: ZA-IB Rootsweb <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1974 Cape Town Masters Office Estate Files Index > > Hello everyone, > > I've used the Maseti files to extract and compile an index for the 1974 > Estate files held at the master's office and available to view on > familysearch.org. > > The index can be viewed on my site (as a registered user due to privacy > laws here in the Netherlands) > http://www.recordsandresources.com/ > > best wishes, > Leanne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to advise that my e-mail is changing to [email protected] - change of circumstances in my personal life means this is the best form of contact Regards Jean Tuckey

On 16 Nov 2013 at 14:36, Richard Ball wrote: > Hello Rod, > > Saturday, November 16, 2013 you wrote: > > rtcz> My g-g-gfather August Hermann GEBHARDT came out on the first > rtcz> immigrant ship from Hamburg. I understand from comments on the > rtcz> Lists that the agent who was then transporting these settlers, > rtcz> Godeffroy and Sons, was declared insolvent many years ago and > rtcz> that their records are possibly stored in Hamburg. > > You don't mention a date. I have no knowledge of these ships but have > you tried: > > http://www.safrika.org/schiff_en.html And this: Schnell, E.L.G. 1954. For men must work. Cape Town: Maskew Miller. Dewey: 325.23409687 SCH An account of German immigration to the Cape with special reference to the German military settlers of 1857 and the German immigrants of 1858. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected]

But, Schnell's book is a general account and does not contain lists of immigrants. It does have some names. "For men must work, and women must weep, ..." Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:05:51 PM EST From: "Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1858/59 German immigration to SA On 16 Nov 2013 at 14:36, Richard Ball wrote: > Hello Rod, > > Saturday, November 16, 2013 you wrote: > > rtcz> My g-g-gfather August Hermann GEBHARDT came out on the first > rtcz> immigrant ship from Hamburg. I understand from comments on the > rtcz> Lists that the agent who was then transporting these settlers, > rtcz> Godeffroy and Sons, was declared insolvent many years ago and > rtcz> that their records are possibly stored in Hamburg. > > You don't mention a date. I have no knowledge of these ships but have > you tried: > > http://www.safrika.org/schiff_en.html And this: Schnell, E.L.G. 1954. For men must work. Cape Town: Maskew Miller. Dewey: 325.23409687 SCH An account of German immigration to the Cape with special reference to the German military settlers of 1857 and the German immigrants of 1858. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Familysearch seems to have filmed the files at the various Masters' offices. I'm not sure if they filmed them all though .. I guess we''ll just have to wait and see :-) On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Keith Meintjes <[email protected]> wrote: > Leanne, > > Thank you! I am figuring a plan of attack. > > It is a curious thing. One wonders where familysearch got the images. Are > they from records that have been transferred to the archives? > > Another thing that comes to mind is previous efforts, like Adelbert > Semmelink's "Cape Death Notice Index" on www-e-family.co.za. > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:56:33 PM EST > From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Masters Office Estate Files Index (MASETI) > > Hi Keith, > > The MASETI xls file data is sorted alphabetically by FORENAME ... most odd, > but there you have it. In addition, the Deceased's Surname is actually the > spouse's surname and vice-versa. > > They're not the easiest indexes to navigate. That was the reason I > extracted and re-worked the 1974 data, to make it easier to locate the > relevant images, recently made available on the familysearch site. > > best wishes, > Leanne > > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Keith Meintjes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The MASETI indexes are here: > > > > http://www.justice.gov.za/master/m_main.htm > > > > Near the bottom of the page you will find two links to MASETI DATA. I am > > still trying to figure out what to do with it. > > > > By all accounts, customer service at the Cape Town Master's Office is > > non-existent. I have been told not to bother. > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > Received: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 02:01:01 PM EST > > From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> > > To: ZA-IB Rootsweb <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] > > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1974 Cape Town Masters Office Estate Files Index > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I've used the Maseti files to extract and compile an index for the 1974 > > Estate files held at the master's office and available to view on > > familysearch.org. > > > > The index can be viewed on my site (as a registered user due to privacy > > laws here in the Netherlands) > > http://www.recordsandresources.com/ > > > > best wishes, > > Leanne > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Keith, The MASETI xls file data is sorted alphabetically by FORENAME ... most odd, but there you have it. In addition, the Deceased's Surname is actually the spouse's surname and vice-versa. They're not the easiest indexes to navigate. That was the reason I extracted and re-worked the 1974 data, to make it easier to locate the relevant images, recently made available on the familysearch site. best wishes, Leanne On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Keith Meintjes <[email protected]> wrote: > The MASETI indexes are here: > > http://www.justice.gov.za/master/m_main.htm > > Near the bottom of the page you will find two links to MASETI DATA. I am > still trying to figure out what to do with it. > > By all accounts, customer service at the Cape Town Master's Office is > non-existent. I have been told not to bother. > > Keith > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 02:01:01 PM EST > From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> > To: ZA-IB Rootsweb <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1974 Cape Town Masters Office Estate Files Index > > Hello everyone, > > I've used the Maseti files to extract and compile an index for the 1974 > Estate files held at the master's office and available to view on > familysearch.org. > > The index can be viewed on my site (as a registered user due to privacy > laws here in the Netherlands) > http://www.recordsandresources.com/ > > best wishes, > Leanne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Rod, Saturday, November 16, 2013 you wrote: rtcz> My g-g-gfather August Hermann GEBHARDT came out on the first rtcz> immigrant ship from Hamburg. I understand from comments on the rtcz> Lists that the agent who was then transporting these settlers, rtcz> Godeffroy and Sons, was declared insolvent many years ago and rtcz> that their records are possibly stored in Hamburg. You don't mention a date. I have no knowledge of these ships but have you tried: http://www.safrika.org/schiff_en.html Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk [email protected]

I have spent the morning cataloging a couple of shelves of my library here: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=kmeintjes&shelf=list&sort=title It is about 20% of what I have, in terms of meters of bookshelf space. Comments are welcome - I think this will end up being quite useful for me*. For older books that may not have an ISBN (and even those that do) making the catalog is still quite a manual process, but it sure is better than doing it entirely from scratch! Comments and lookup requests (within reason) are welcome. Keith * I have just discovered I have two pristine copies of Robert Ross' "Cape of Torments". In the future, I can take my catalog with me and avoid this sort of thing.

> Obviously Mrs Le Roux has left as she used to be very efficient, > knowledgeable and helpful. If this is Erika le Roux who is now at the Archives I agree with your sentiments. A no-nonsense person who has been very helpful and kind. Keith Michigan, USA ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 01:44:18 AM EST From: "Milly & Adrian Rowe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Masters Office Estate Files Index (MASETI) Hi Keith Thank you for the link to the MASETI indexes, which I think could prove invaluable to researchers. I have had a brief look at Pietermaritzburg which have been (partly) captured from 1994 to 2008 and Cape Town from 1951 to 2008. The latter will be very handy as Deceased Estate file numbers are currently only available on the National Archives website up to 1950 (I think). It will be necessary to know the persons first name as the MASETI index is sorted on first name in alphabetical order, in about 50 files. I have already managed to find the Estate number of a relation who died in 1982 which would have been difficult without these indexes. The challenge now is to view its contents! (I live in Durban) Your comments re the lack of service at the Cape Town Master's office tends to holds true for most Government offices in South Africa these days! Obviously Mrs Le Roux has left as she used to be very efficient, knowledgeable and helpful. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 16 November 2013 06:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Masters Office Estate Files Index (MASETI) The MASETI indexes are here: http://www.justice.gov.za/master/m_main.htm Near the bottom of the page you will find two links to MASETI DATA. I am still trying to figure out what to do with it. By all accounts, customer service at the Cape Town Master's Office is non-existent. I have been told not to bother. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 02:01:01 PM EST From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> To: ZA-IB Rootsweb <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1974 Cape Town Masters Office Estate Files Index Hello everyone, I've used the Maseti files to extract and compile an index for the 1974 Estate files held at the master's office and available to view on familysearch.org. The index can be viewed on my site (as a registered user due to privacy laws here in the Netherlands) http://www.recordsandresources.com/ best wishes, Leanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leanne, Thank you! I am figuring a plan of attack. It is a curious thing. One wonders where familysearch got the images. Are they from records that have been transferred to the archives? Another thing that comes to mind is previous efforts, like Adelbert Semmelink's "Cape Death Notice Index" on www-e-family.co.za. Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:56:33 PM EST From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Masters Office Estate Files Index (MASETI) Hi Keith, The MASETI xls file data is sorted alphabetically by FORENAME ... most odd, but there you have it. In addition, the Deceased's Surname is actually the spouse's surname and vice-versa. They're not the easiest indexes to navigate. That was the reason I extracted and re-worked the 1974 data, to make it easier to locate the relevant images, recently made available on the familysearch site. best wishes, Leanne On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Keith Meintjes <[email protected]> wrote: > The MASETI indexes are here: > > http://www.justice.gov.za/master/m_main.htm > > Near the bottom of the page you will find two links to MASETI DATA. I am > still trying to figure out what to do with it. > > By all accounts, customer service at the Cape Town Master's Office is > non-existent. I have been told not to bother. > > Keith > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 02:01:01 PM EST > From: Leanne Starkey <[email protected]> > To: ZA-IB Rootsweb <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1974 Cape Town Masters Office Estate Files Index > > Hello everyone, > > I've used the Maseti files to extract and compile an index for the 1974 > Estate files held at the master's office and available to view on > familysearch.org. > > The index can be viewed on my site (as a registered user due to privacy > laws here in the Netherlands) > http://www.recordsandresources.com/ > > best wishes, > Leanne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Rod, I too have been searching for these records. Someone mentioned that there was a Godeffroy museum in Germany but I know not where. Colin Mohr ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:26 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] 1858/59 German immigration to SA > Good Morning all, from a very wet Cape Town, > > My g-g-gfather August Hermann GEBHARDT came out on the first immigrant > ship from Hamburg. I understand from comments on the Lists that the agent > who was then transporting these settlers, Godeffroy and Sons, was declared > insolvent many years ago and that their records are possibly stored in > Hamburg. > > > Would any Lister know if this is true and if copies of the actual > contracts signed by the individual settlers actually exist either in > Hamburg, Cape Town Archives or possibly in a UK Archives? > > I am trying to trace a copy of the contract signed by my g-g-gfather. Any > assistance would be appreciated, as I am sure aother researchers would > also like to find theirs. > > Regards, > > Rod g > From:[email protected] > Sent:2013/11/13 08:40:24 AM > To:[email protected], > [email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected] > Cc: > Subject:RE: [ZA-IB] German immigration to SA Hello Lister > > I need to find lists of any german immigration to SA between 1858 to 1881. > I am trying to locate the ship my gggranfather was on when he landed in > SA. His death notice says he was born in Germany but his nationality was > British so I am assuming he became British when he landed in SA. My > gggranfather name was William Frederick Smith. > > Any information would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > Renold > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------- > All messages to the list must be sent in plain text. > ------------------------------- > When you reply to a message, please MAKE SURE that you DELETE the quoted > text, signature, and end material that is not pertinent to your reply. > ------------------------------- > When you reply to a message, please make sure that you Change the Subject > of the message as needed. If you are replying to a Digest, this is a MUST > DO. > ------------------------------- > For searching the list archives and other list information, please go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Immigration/SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH.html > ------------------------------- > To contact the TMG List Administrator, send a message to > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message