Good Morning All, I am still ploughing through the LEVEY book and have now hit a speed wobble. I found on eGSSA a photo of a Lt. Colonel Joseph Henry LEVEY born 09.05.1844 died 30.08.1887 who married an Evelyn no name (according to the gravestone) and their daughter Evelyn is buried in the same grave. In my main data base I have Joseph Henry married to Martha SHAW, but no mention of a military background. Could this be the same LEVEY? Some time ago someone on the List said Patrick LEVEY who is thought to have been the sixth son of Joseph and Elizabeth LEVEY actually had no links to the LEVEY family at all. However I note that Patrick's son, also Patrick b about 1851 d in King Williams Town on 27 June, 1878 married an Ellen LONG b about 1854 d 20 April, 1918. In the LEVEY book is recorded that Audrey Merle TURNER grand daughter of May Jane Levey married Vivian Andrew Lloyd LONG b 1927 d 1982. Could there be a connection between these two long families? Regards, Rod g Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN
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Good Evening to all the Listers, With the list owners kind indulgence I would like to wish each Lister a peaceful, restful and relaxing festive season. May each of you enjoy a quiet transition into 2014. To all who have given of their time and expertise in helping me find those geni gold nuggets, a heartfelt thank you. May you be blessed in your own endeavors. To those whom I have not been able to assist as I would have liked to, I apologise and will try better next time. May we all take a few minutes in our lives today to remember those who are no longer with us in body but in spirit, and offer a prayer of gratitude that we were privileged to have known them. Regards to all, Rod g Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN
Hi Nazeem, What province are you working with? Leanne On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Nazeem Raffaele Antonio Davids-Solari < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I do not often write to the list, but I read and follow the news and > updates. I noticed that the Estate file no's 3796-3810 of 1952 are not > listed. I am looking for file 3807 of 1952. Does anyone know where they may > be "hidden"? > > Thank you. > > Nazeem Davids > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello everyone, I do not often write to the list, but I read and follow the news and updates. I noticed that the Estate file no's 3796-3810 of 1952 are not listed. I am looking for file 3807 of 1952. Does anyone know where they may be "hidden"? Thank you. Nazeem Davids
> From: [email protected] > Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 355 > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:00:52 -0700 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? (Keith Meintjes) > 2. Re: Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? (Neil Holmes) > 3. Salomon Cornelius Vermaak - Pieter Oosthuizen (Bart Simon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 03:22:25 -0500 > From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Veronica, > > Sometimes I do think I am pretty good! Check out this thread: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE/2007-02/1171476196 > > and in particular the message: > > >> > For Ray and Richard, > These books are currently kept in the Denfield Africana Library, in the > Reference section of the Central Library in East London. They have issues > for 1904 to 1948, but there are a few missing. > I know the 1906 book is there, as I have read it myself. > The telephone number is 043 722 4991 or you may email Claire Coombe-Davis > at: > [email protected] > She is not able to do a lot of research, but I think she will answer a few > questions. > Regards > Shirley in Durban > << > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:37:36 AM EST > From: "Ian and Veronica" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > > "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who > lived in the towns and villages of that area > (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. > The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. > Veronica > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Pretorius > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? > > Hallo Veronica > > Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? > > Kind regards > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? > > Good Morning > > Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red > Books"? > If so, how complete is it? > Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:14:39 +0200 > From: "Neil Holmes" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The East London museum also had a set of these books. I don't know if they > were moved to the library or wether they are another set. > > Neil. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > > > > Veronica, > > > > Sometimes I do think I am pretty good! Check out this thread: > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE/2007-02/1171476196 > > > > and in particular the message: > > > >>> > > For Ray and Richard, > > These books are currently kept in the Denfield Africana Library, in the > > Reference section of the Central Library in East London. They have issues > > for 1904 to 1948, but there are a few missing. > > I know the 1906 book is there, as I have read it myself. > > The telephone number is 043 722 4991 or you may email Claire Coombe-Davis > > at: > > [email protected] > > She is not able to do a lot of research, but I think she will answer a few > > questions. > > Regards > > Shirley in Durban > > << > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Keith > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > Received: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:37:36 AM EST > > From: "Ian and Veronica" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > > > > "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who > > lived in the towns and villages of that area > > (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. > > The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. > > Veronica > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Pretorius > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? > > > > Hallo Veronica > > > > Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? > > > > Kind regards > > > > Dennis Pretorius > > Krugersdorp South Africa > > Tel - 011-762-8911 > > Cel - 083-679-8541 > > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? > > > > Good Morning > > > > Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red > > Books"? > > If so, how complete is it? > > Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? > > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:46:59 +0200 > From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Salomon Cornelius Vermaak - Pieter Oosthuizen > To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > MGC: > > Salomon Cornelius Vermaak (A hunter and lived in Tuli) b:Abt. 1843 probably South Africa, m:10-02-1896 at Dutch Reformed Church, Bulawayo, Rhodesia to Magdalena Susanna Bezuidenhout. [Magdalena, aged 21, married Salomon Cornelius Vermaak, a widower, aged 53.]. It seems he also m. Sophia Aletta Oosthuizen probably the dg of a co-hunter also of Tuli named Pieter Oosthuizen. Can anyone tell me more of this Pieter Oosthuizen ?. He hunted with Selous, but I would like to know where he fits into the Oosthuizen tree ?. > > B.S. [!!!] > ================= > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 355 > ********************************************
Steve, As Tara lives in Kwa-Zulu Natal I think that's the explanation. The transcriptions she's done (which came on line today) have kept me very busy indeed....still haven't finished! Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA] St Paul's,Aliwal North: Baptisms 1879-1893 (Part 18) > On 18 Dec 2013 at 7:43, Tara Norton wrote: > >> INDEX TO ST. PAUL'S BAPTISMS on www.familysearch.org (Date format: >> DD/MM/CCYY). > > Thanks very much for your hard work in transcribing these entries and for > sharing them with us. > > I do have a question about how they should be shared, though. > > KwaZulu-Natal is quite a long way from Aliwal North, yet they are shared > on > the KZN list, but why not on the general South African one? > > [email protected] > > It seems to me that all South African genealogists ought to participate in > the general South African list, and then in any particular regional ones > where they have special interests. > > > -- > Keep well, > Steve Hayes > Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm > E-mail: [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 18 Dec 2013 at 7:43, Tara Norton wrote: > INDEX TO ST. PAUL'S BAPTISMS on www.familysearch.org (Date format: > DD/MM/CCYY). Thanks very much for your hard work in transcribing these entries and for sharing them with us. I do have a question about how they should be shared, though. KwaZulu-Natal is quite a long way from Aliwal North, yet they are shared on the KZN list, but why not on the general South African one? [email protected] It seems to me that all South African genealogists ought to participate in the general South African list, and then in any particular regional ones where they have special interests. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected]
Good afternoon all I am seeking siblings OR descendants for Henry George James BRUYNS b. 27 Apr 1875, Cape Town. Thanks as always Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Hi Keith, Can you please let me know the link to the progenitor of the MEINTJIES family of Mattheus Johannes MEINTJIES who married Veronica Maud LEVEY. They had four children, according to the LEVEY Family Book. They could be both living so I cannot give dob's. Regrads, Rod g From:[email protected] Sent:2013/12/15 08:07:29 PM To:[email protected], [email protected] Cc: Subject:RE: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Murray Family books I have catalogued most of my books at librarything.com . I was interested to get the following together: Unto Children's Children, by M.N., Maria Murray Neethling. Privately published for private distribution, 1909. Andrew Murray and his family, the first three generations. (Hardcover, 140 pages.) Murray-Stamregister 1794 - 1954, by Emma Horn. This copy was a gift from Emma Horn to Margaret Cairns, signed by both of them. (Booklet, 80 pages.) The Murray Family Register 1794 - 1977, by Caroline Murray. (Booklet, 122 pages.) Ds. A.A. Louw (1827 - 1908) en sy Gesin, by Emma Horn. (Softcover 1974 234 pages.) This is also from the library of Margaret Cairns. Andries Adriaan Louw was married to Jemima Murray. Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN
I have catalogued most of my books at librarything.com . I was interested to get the following together: Unto Children's Children, by M.N., Maria Murray Neethling. Privately published for private distribution, 1909. Andrew Murray and his family, the first three generations. (Hardcover, 140 pages.) Murray-Stamregister 1794 - 1954, by Emma Horn. This copy was a gift from Emma Horn to Margaret Cairns, signed by both of them. (Booklet, 80 pages.) The Murray Family Register 1794 - 1977, by Caroline Murray. (Booklet, 122 pages.) Ds. A.A. Louw (1827 - 1908) en sy Gesin, by Emma Horn. (Softcover 1974 234 pages.) This is also from the library of Margaret Cairns. Andries Adriaan Louw was married to Jemima Murray. Keith
Hallo Keith You said "Sometimes I do think I am pretty good!" I add - "Even if you have to say so yourself ;-)) " You should maybe have said: "When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better " ???? ( I think that was first said my Mae West ?) Have a GOOD weekend ! Regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? Veronica, Sometimes I do think I am pretty good! Check out this thread: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE/2007 -02/1171476196 and in particular the message: >> For Ray and Richard, These books are currently kept in the Denfield Africana Library, in the Reference section of the Central Library in East London. They have issues for 1904 to 1948, but there are a few missing. I know the 1906 book is there, as I have read it myself. The telephone number is 043 722 4991 or you may email Claire Coombe-Davis at: [email protected] She is not able to do a lot of research, but I think she will answer a few questions. Regards Shirley in Durban << Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:37:36 AM EST From: "Ian and Veronica" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who lived in the towns and villages of that area (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. Veronica -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pretorius Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Hallo Veronica Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Good Morning Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red Books"? If so, how complete is it? Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dennis, Thank you. I wish you all the best for the holidays. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:50:13 AM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? Hallo Keith You said "Sometimes I do think I am pretty good!" I add - "Even if you have to say so yourself ;-)) " You should maybe have said: "When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better " ???? ( I think that was first said my Mae West ?) Have a GOOD weekend ! Regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? Veronica, Sometimes I do think I am pretty good! Check out this thread: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE/2007 -02/1171476196 and in particular the message: >> For Ray and Richard, These books are currently kept in the Denfield Africana Library, in the Reference section of the Central Library in East London. They have issues for 1904 to 1948, but there are a few missing. I know the 1906 book is there, as I have read it myself. The telephone number is 043 722 4991 or you may email Claire Coombe-Davis at: [email protected] She is not able to do a lot of research, but I think she will answer a few questions. Regards Shirley in Durban << Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:37:36 AM EST From: "Ian and Veronica" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who lived in the towns and villages of that area (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. Veronica -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pretorius Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Hallo Veronica Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Good Morning Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red Books"? If so, how complete is it? Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
MGC: Salomon Cornelius Vermaak (A hunter and lived in Tuli) b:Abt. 1843 probably South Africa, m:10-02-1896 at Dutch Reformed Church, Bulawayo, Rhodesia to Magdalena Susanna Bezuidenhout. [Magdalena, aged 21, married Salomon Cornelius Vermaak, a widower, aged 53.]. It seems he also m. Sophia Aletta Oosthuizen probably the dg of a co-hunter also of Tuli named Pieter Oosthuizen. Can anyone tell me more of this Pieter Oosthuizen ?. He hunted with Selous, but I would like to know where he fits into the Oosthuizen tree ?. B.S. [!!!] =================
The East London museum also had a set of these books. I don't know if they were moved to the library or wether they are another set. Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > Veronica, > > Sometimes I do think I am pretty good! Check out this thread: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE/2007-02/1171476196 > > and in particular the message: > >>> > For Ray and Richard, > These books are currently kept in the Denfield Africana Library, in the > Reference section of the Central Library in East London. They have issues > for 1904 to 1948, but there are a few missing. > I know the 1906 book is there, as I have read it myself. > The telephone number is 043 722 4991 or you may email Claire Coombe-Davis > at: > [email protected] > She is not able to do a lot of research, but I think she will answer a few > questions. > Regards > Shirley in Durban > << > > Best wishes, > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:37:36 AM EST > From: "Ian and Veronica" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? > > "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who > lived in the towns and villages of that area > (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. > The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. > Veronica > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Pretorius > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? > > Hallo Veronica > > Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? > > Kind regards > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? > > Good Morning > > Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red > Books"? > If so, how complete is it? > Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This sounds very interesting and relevant to me. May I be kept in the loop regarding progress on locating the Red BOOKS . I would also like to find information from the Red Books. Eddie OTTE RUSTENBURG 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: 12 December 2013 02:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who lived in the towns and villages of that area (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. Veronica -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pretorius Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Hallo Veronica Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Good Morning Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red Books"? If so, how complete is it? Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Veronica, Sometimes I do think I am pretty good! Check out this thread: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE/2007-02/1171476196 and in particular the message: >> For Ray and Richard, These books are currently kept in the Denfield Africana Library, in the Reference section of the Central Library in East London. They have issues for 1904 to 1948, but there are a few missing. I know the 1906 book is there, as I have read it myself. The telephone number is 043 722 4991 or you may email Claire Coombe-Davis at: [email protected] She is not able to do a lot of research, but I think she will answer a few questions. Regards Shirley in Durban << Best wishes, Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:37:36 AM EST From: "Ian and Veronica" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PE Library? "East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who lived in the towns and villages of that area (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. Veronica -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pretorius Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Hallo Veronica Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Good Morning Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red Books"? If so, how complete is it? Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
"East London and Frontier Red Book" are directories listing the people who lived in the towns and villages of that area (including the Transkei) often giving their occupations as well. The modern equivalent would be the Braby's Directories. Veronica -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pretorius Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Hallo Veronica Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Good Morning Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red Books"? If so, how complete is it? Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hallo Veronica Forgive my ignorance - but please tell me what the RED BOOKS are ? Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian and Veronica Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Directories - "Red Books" in PR Library? Good Morning Can anyone tell me if the Port Elizabeth Library has a collection of "Red Books"? If so, how complete is it? Are they readily available and how easy is it to access them? he message
Evening all With the list-owner's permission, I would like to announce that HF Heese's "Reg en Onreg: Kaapse regspraak in die agtiende eeu" - which ought to appeal to genealogists and historians alike - is now available in electronic form from the www.cdbooks-r-us.com website Over the past decades there has been a renewed interest in the early Cape society and its criminal history. The daily life of that era can be reconstructed from court cases, especially with respect to slaves. The author notes that the court records of the Cape sketch a somewhat negative and unflattering picture of the burghers, the Khoikhoi, San, Khoisan, slaves, Chinees and free blacks. This is mainly due to the fact that it was those who fell within the jurisdiction of the VOC's sphere of influence who were brought before the courts. Other groups who did not fall within the VOC sphere did not appear before the Court of Justice. If slaves or Khoikhoi appeared before the court, they normally did not have representation from within their own ranks or social status. They could only hope for an impartial verdict. The fact that a court official was supposedly impartial was often of very little comfort to slaves - they were, after all, a group that had been denied most of their rights or freedoms. Reading the court cases the reader is reminded of the harsh and sometimes gruesome convictions and sentences imposed on criminals. The purpose of Heese's book is to highlight - through the listing of court cases - the lives of those who seldom feature in other documents. In this sense the book is of interest to those interested in the cultural history of that period. Genealogists should also find much of interest in the book, as the documents provide information such as the dates of death of murdered burghers as well as information about "voorzoons" and "voordogters" who do not always appear in genealogical works. These documents also help to explain the "absence" of certain individuals from public life while they were serving sentences on Robben Island. The major portion of the book is dedicated to a listing of the names of those convicted of crimes. The lists include not only the names but also the crime of which they were convicted, the sentence, date of sentence and the relevant CJ reference. More information is available on the www.dcbooks-r-us.com website. Any correspondence should be addressed to the above email address and not to the list. Kind Regards Colin Pretorius