Hallo All Suurbekom aka Zuurbekom is a group of agricultural holdings just North of the main road between Johannesburg and Potchefstroom in the Westonaria Municipal area and part of the West Rand District. It lies directly South of Krugersdorp. It is still a largely undeveloped area but is fast being "encroached" by the sprawl of low cost housing developments both from Johannesburg and Westonaria. 20/30 years ago it was country smallholdings producing mainly sheep/cattle/chicken farming. Most of the underground rights are held by Mining conglomerates whilst the surface rights are held by small landowners. Hope this helps Kind regards PS - I live about 20 km north of the area in Krugersdorp. More kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541

*Dates used by me when entering place names:-* *Transoranje 1830s to 1848* *Orange River *Sovereignty<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_River_Sovereignty> Sir Harry Smith <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Harry_Smith> proclaimed British sovereignty over the Transorange on 3rd February 1848 up until 16th February, 1854 *Republic of Orange Free State * >From 17th February, 1854 until 30th May, 1902 (Although the British annexed the OFS republic on 6th October, 1900 the boers and President Steyn had not conceded) *Orange River Colony* >From Treaty of Vereeniging<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Vereeniging> on 31st May, 1902 until 31st May, 1910 *ZAR ....* *Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek**-----Transvaal Republic* Est. 1852 & independent 1856 -1877, then again from 3-8-1881-1900. In between 1877-1881 it was Transvaal Colony. Annexation of Tvl......1st September, 1900 *Colony of Transvaal * >From 31st May, 1902 until 31st May, 1910 *NATAL.........*Natalia Republic from 12th October, 1839. Britain annexed 12th May, 1843 thence Colony of Natal to 31st May, 1910. ++++++ *Nieuwe Republiek* part the old Boer Republic of Natalia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Republic>...see below weblink On August 5, 1884 was formed the Nieuwe Republiek (New Republic) with Vryheid as its capital. On 20 July 1888 it was incorporated into the South African Republic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Republic>, [ZAR] when the British annexed Zululand. After the ABW reincorporated into Colony of Natal in 1903. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieuwe_Republiek For the* Cape* I use Cape of Good Hope up until abt 1710 and then Cape Colony to 31st May, 1910.

Hi Lucky According to "The South African Family Encyclopaedia" written & compiled by Peter Joyce, published 1989: Cape Colony "... in 1814 ... became a crown colony" and ".. full executive control ... was granted to the Cape colonials in 1872." "In 1910, the Cape Colony became the Province of the Cape of Good Hope, ..." Under Cape Province it states "The Province of the Cape of Good Hope, as it is officially known, ..." Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laquita Belinfante Sent: 05 January 2014 09:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Good Morning all, If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side of SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks as always, Lucky

Hi Lucky, Beaufort West was established in 1818. It would have been a town in the Cape Colony at this time. The provincial names, like all political areas worldwide, is subject to manipulation and change (witness the British counties with their name changes and shifting boundaries). As best I can determine (hopefully someone will either back me up or correct me) the original area was called the Cape Colony and extended to the Fish River in the East. The area beyond this was known as Griequaland East. What we came to know as the Cape Province (I don't think that this name was ever officially recognised) was officially established as the Cape of Good Hope Province in 1910. This held until 1994 when this area was split up into Western, Eastern and Northern Cape. This comes up regularly because of the confusion it can cause in citing paces. I think most folk use the name in use at the time of the event. Zuurbekom was once a farm (your 'barren, unoccupied land') but was obviously incorporated into the expanding urban areas of Soweto and the like. Hope this helps, Paddy On 5 January 2014 09:23, Laquita Belinfante <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Morning all, > > > > If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or > what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side > of > SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. > > > > Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? > And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? > > > > I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape > Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly > enlighten me? > > > > Thanks as always, > > Lucky > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Chaps I have received this and have no idea what it means?? There is a document in the Green Gazette, Government Legal Notices Online Search, Legal Notice 33814 Vol 546 A 19697/2010 Finlay, Winifred Margaret, 3/10/1913, 95 Partidge Avenue, Allen Grove, Kempton Park 19/04/2010 Please help Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Fallingrain still is a fantastic site as Keith says, but type in the entire link : http://www.fallingrain.com/world/SF/ otherwise you get directed to some or other webmaster message instead. Or simply Google fallingrain south africa. The link for Zuurbekom is http://www.fallingrain.com/world/SF/06/Zuurbekom.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 05 January 2014 09:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Or, fallingrain.com used to be an amazing resource to find place names. It still may be. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:34:05 AM EST From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions I am too lazy to look it up, but Peter Raper's original "Place Names of South Africa" is available online. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:27:58 AM EST From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Good Morning all, If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side of SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks as always, Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning all, If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side of SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks as always, Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello Lucky, Sunday, January 5, 2014, 7:23:41 AM, you asked: LB> I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape LB> Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly LB> enlighten me? Like Andrew I went to Google but, although there are at least half a dozen Wikipedia articles on the Cape and SA they all seem to be pretty vague on historical namings. I belive the following, off the top of my head, is reasonably accurate: Up to 1910 and the Union of SA, the Stamps issued by the Cape government gave its name as The Cape of Good Hope (an english translation of the original Dutch Cabo de Goed Hoop, itself a translation of the original Portuguese Cabo de Bona Esperanza. >From the Union of South Africa in 1910 it was known as the Cape Province. More recently, I believe, it has been divided into several smaller administrative units. Generally speaking you can safely refer to it as the Cape of Good Hope until 1910 when it became part of the larger union. Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk [email protected]

The latest edition of Raper's book does not have an entry for "Zuurbekom". Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:51:30 AM EST From: "Leeanne Blunden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: More silly questions Fallingrain still is a fantastic site as Keith says, but type in the entire link : http://www.fallingrain.com/world/SF/ otherwise you get directed to some or other webmaster message instead. Or simply Google fallingrain south africa. The link for Zuurbekom is http://www.fallingrain.com/world/SF/06/Zuurbekom.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 05 January 2014 09:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Or, fallingrain.com used to be an amazing resource to find place names. It still may be. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:34:05 AM EST From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions I am too lazy to look it up, but Peter Raper's original "Place Names of South Africa" is available online. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:27:58 AM EST From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Good Morning all, If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side of SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks as always, Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Or, fallingrain.com used to be an amazing resource to find place names. It still may be. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:34:05 AM EST From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions I am too lazy to look it up, but Peter Raper's original "Place Names of South Africa" is available online. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:27:58 AM EST From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Good Morning all, If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side of SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks as always, Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am too lazy to look it up, but Peter Raper's original "Place Names of South Africa" is available online. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 02:27:58 AM EST From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] More silly questions Good Morning all, If am man died in Feb 1983 in Zuurbekom, Transvaal, South Africa, where or what would that be? I have looked on the map find it just the other side of SOWETO but it looks like barren, unoccupied land. Please help. Did Beaufort West exist in 1874 if not what would I put as place of death? And would it be Cape of Good hope OR cape colony? I have no idea when South Africa changed from Cape of Good hope to Cape Colony to Cape Province, to Eastern/Western Cape. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks as always, Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brighton must have been popular in UK. We have a Brighton Beach in Durban. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather MacAlister Sent: 02 January 2014 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions Hi Laquita As far as I know it was never known as New Brighton. New Brighton is in Port Elizabeth. WOODSTOCK, C.P. Industrial and residential suburb of Cape Town, some a km east of the City Hall. It was originally named Papendorp, after Pieter van Papendorp, who lived there toward the end of the 18th century. More dwellings were built along the main road, near Van Papendorp's house, in the first half of the 19th century, and by 1845 there were an English church and school. In the second half of the century development accelerated, especially after the coming of the railway early in the 18605, and Papendorp became a fashionable residential town. Amalgamation with Salt River took place in 1881, the inhabitants voting for the name Woodstock for the new municipality. There was a fine, open beach frequented both by Capetonians and visitors, but from about 1903 a building boom set in, with industrialisation, railway development and gradually increasing congestion. Woodstock was incorporated into Cape Town in 1913. The last of Woodstock beach disappeared when the extensions to Table Bay harbour were constructed in the early 19705. The old French Line - fortifications constructed by French troops defending the Cape in 1780 - ran through what is now Woodstock. Woodstock had two railway stations: the present one, being the first station from Cape Town on the main line, and a now disused station next to the two Salt River power-stations near the former Woodstock beach. This second Woodstock railway station served the Milnerton line, a private railway about 7 km in length controlled by Graaff's Trust. Milnerton was the first terminal, situated near the homestead on the old farm Jan Biesjeskraal. The line was opened to passenger and goods traffic and extended from Milnerton station (later demolished) to Ascot racecourse in 1908, but in 1916 most of the track was broken up. The remaining portion of the track, as far as Paarden Island, was ceded to the State and is still operated for goods traffic. Regards Heather From: Laquita Belinfante <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Thursday 02 January 2014 at 10:27 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions Good Day all The compliments of the season. Please will anyone tell me, If Papendorp, Cape Colony 1848 was also known as New Brighton? I was under the impression that New Brighton became known as Woodstock? Also how can I find information on the son, Henry Samuel JAMES b. Abt.1852 of Henry George JAMES and Elizabeth NIBBS? Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6967 - Release Date: 01/01/14

Gee whiz, Colin, Ron and Heather, you chaps have fully answered my silly question. Thanks a ton. Lucky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Barnard Sent: 02 January 2014 11:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions Hi The area now known as Woodstock was originally known as Papendorp (after Pieter van Papendorp). It was New Brighton for a while, and then became Woodstock in 1867. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock,_Cape_Town There is also a village by the name of Papendorp on the west coast. Ron Barnard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions > Good Day all > > > > The compliments of the season. > > > > Please will anyone tell me, If Papendorp, Cape Colony 1848 was also known > as > New Brighton? > > I was under the impression that New Brighton became known as Woodstock? > > > > Also how can I find information on the son, Henry Samuel JAMES b. Abt.1852 > of Henry George JAMES and Elizabeth NIBBS? > > > > Lucky > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6967 - Release Date: 01/01/14 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Heather, Wikipedia seems to think so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock,_Cape_Town Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions > Hi Laquita > As far as I know it was never known as New Brighton. New Brighton is in > Port > Elizabeth. > > WOODSTOCK, C.P. Industrial and residential suburb of Cape Town, some a km > east of the City Hall. It was originally named Papendorp, after Pieter van > Papendorp, who lived there toward the end of the 18th century. More > dwellings were built along the main road, near Van Papendorp's house, in > the > first half of the 19th century, and by 1845 there were an English church > and > school. In the second half of the century development accelerated, > especially after the coming of the railway early in the 18605, and > Papendorp > became a fashionable residential town. Amalgamation with Salt River took > place in 1881, the inhabitants voting for the name Woodstock > for the new municipality. There was a fine, open beach frequented both by > Capetonians and visitors, but from about 1903 a building boom set in, with > industrialisation, railway development and gradually increasing > congestion. > Woodstock was incorporated into Cape Town in 1913. The last of Woodstock > beach disappeared when the extensions to Table Bay harbour were > constructed > in the early 19705. > The old French Line - fortifications constructed by French troops > defending > the Cape in 1780 - ran through what is now Woodstock. > Woodstock had two railway stations: the present one, being the first > station > from Cape Town on the main line, and a now disused station next to the two > Salt River power-stations near the former Woodstock beach. This second > Woodstock railway station served the Milnerton line, a private railway > about > 7 km in length controlled by Graaff's Trust. Milnerton was the first > terminal, situated near the homestead on the old farm Jan Biesjeskraal. > The > line was opened to passenger and goods traffic and extended from Milnerton > station (later demolished) to Ascot racecourse in 1908, but in 1916 most > of > the track was broken up. The remaining portion of the track, as far as > Paarden Island, was ceded to the State and is still operated for goods > traffic. > > Regards > Heather > > > From: Laquita Belinfante <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday 02 January 2014 at 10:27 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions > > Good Day all > > > > The compliments of the season. > > > > Please will anyone tell me, If Papendorp, Cape Colony 1848 was also known > as > New Brighton? > > I was under the impression that New Brighton became known as Woodstock? > > > > Also how can I find information on the son, Henry Samuel JAMES b. Abt.1852 > of Henry George JAMES and Elizabeth NIBBS? > > > > Lucky > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi The area now known as Woodstock was originally known as Papendorp (after Pieter van Papendorp). It was New Brighton for a while, and then became Woodstock in 1867. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock,_Cape_Town There is also a village by the name of Papendorp on the west coast. Ron Barnard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laquita Belinfante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions > Good Day all > > > > The compliments of the season. > > > > Please will anyone tell me, If Papendorp, Cape Colony 1848 was also known > as > New Brighton? > > I was under the impression that New Brighton became known as Woodstock? > > > > Also how can I find information on the son, Henry Samuel JAMES b. Abt.1852 > of Henry George JAMES and Elizabeth NIBBS? > > > > Lucky > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6967 - Release Date: 01/01/14 >

Hi Laquita As far as I know it was never known as New Brighton. New Brighton is in Port Elizabeth. WOODSTOCK, C.P. Industrial and residential suburb of Cape Town, some a km east of the City Hall. It was originally named Papendorp, after Pieter van Papendorp, who lived there toward the end of the 18th century. More dwellings were built along the main road, near Van Papendorp's house, in the first half of the 19th century, and by 1845 there were an English church and school. In the second half of the century development accelerated, especially after the coming of the railway early in the 18605, and Papendorp became a fashionable residential town. Amalgamation with Salt River took place in 1881, the inhabitants voting for the name Woodstock for the new municipality. There was a fine, open beach frequented both by Capetonians and visitors, but from about 1903 a building boom set in, with industrialisation, railway development and gradually increasing congestion. Woodstock was incorporated into Cape Town in 1913. The last of Woodstock beach disappeared when the extensions to Table Bay harbour were constructed in the early 19705. The old French Line - fortifications constructed by French troops defending the Cape in 1780 - ran through what is now Woodstock. Woodstock had two railway stations: the present one, being the first station from Cape Town on the main line, and a now disused station next to the two Salt River power-stations near the former Woodstock beach. This second Woodstock railway station served the Milnerton line, a private railway about 7 km in length controlled by Graaff's Trust. Milnerton was the first terminal, situated near the homestead on the old farm Jan Biesjeskraal. The line was opened to passenger and goods traffic and extended from Milnerton station (later demolished) to Ascot racecourse in 1908, but in 1916 most of the track was broken up. The remaining portion of the track, as far as Paarden Island, was ceded to the State and is still operated for goods traffic. Regards Heather From: Laquita Belinfante <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Thursday 02 January 2014 at 10:27 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Silly Questions Good Day all The compliments of the season. Please will anyone tell me, If Papendorp, Cape Colony 1848 was also known as New Brighton? I was under the impression that New Brighton became known as Woodstock? Also how can I find information on the son, Henry Samuel JAMES b. Abt.1852 of Henry George JAMES and Elizabeth NIBBS? Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Day all The compliments of the season. Please will anyone tell me, If Papendorp, Cape Colony 1848 was also known as New Brighton? I was under the impression that New Brighton became known as Woodstock? Also how can I find information on the son, Henry Samuel JAMES b. Abt.1852 of Henry George JAMES and Elizabeth NIBBS? Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thank you. Just give me details for payment. I really appreciate this it has been a brickwall that seems to be more and more cemented with each bit of research. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 27 December 2013 11:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families I will photograph it and send it to you. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:47:48 AM EST From: "Denise Igesund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Thank you so much that is what I thought. Are you able to tell me where I can get a copy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 27 December 2013 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Steinhobel is on two pages in SAG 12, 173-4. The total is about one column, half a page. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:31:31 AM EST From: "Denise Igesund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Is there anyone that can help me with an entry in SA Genealogies for Steinhobel. I have one page but I feel like the page should extend onto the next. Denise -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 27 December 2013 10:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Rod, There is a listing in SA Genealogies 12, p. 269. Also, check out the 1820 Settlers site, 1820settlers.com: Name Richard Southey Stirk Born 10 Apr 1918 Gender Male Died 27 Nov 1983 Grahamstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location Eastern Province Herald. 30 Nov 1983 STIRK. – Richard Southey (Dick), husband of Val and father of Shirley and Duane, Ronald and Marlene, Joy and Hutch, pops of Wendy, Timothy and Michelle, passed away at the West Wing, Settlers Hospital, Grahamstown, on November 27, 1983. A memorial service will be held in St Bartholomew’s Church, Market Street, Grahamstown, on Thursday, December 1, 1983, at 2 p.m. Cremation private. Person ID I6591 master Last Modified 6 Oct 2013 Father Sydney Southey Stirk Click to preview: Sydney Southey Stirk, b. 4 Apr 1877, Grahamstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1 Feb 1968 Mother Ethel Keeton Click to preview: Ethel Keeton, b. Abt 1874 Family ID F2586 Group Sheet Family Valerie Moira Levey Click to preview: Valerie Moira Levey Children 1. Shirley Stirk Click to preview: Shirley Stirk 2. Ronald Stirk Click to preview: Ronald Stirk 3. Joy Stirk Click to preview: Joy Stirk Last Modified 6 Oct 2013 Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:42:06 AM EST From: "Milly & Adrian Rowe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Hi Rod In case it is of any use, the Natal Marriage index has: Sidney Southey STIRK aged 23 marrying Alice Maud WILSON aged 22 in Durban on 31 Jan 1901 at the Presbyterian Church. No STIRK witnesses. (LDS film 1792035 #2019) Also Sidney John Southey STIRK aged 25 (born 23 Jan 1930 In Grahamstown) marrying Leonne Wynne VERMAAK aged 24 at All Saints Church, Bellair (LDS film 1938637 # 551). There is a STIRK witness but it is difficult to read the initials. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 26 December 2013 06:56 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Good Afternoon from a sweltering Cape Town, Can any of the STIRK researchers kindly assist. I have a Richard STIRK in my data base, no dates, and I have his parents as Sydney Southey STIRK born on 04.04.1877 died 01.02.1969 who married Ethel KEETON born in 1874 died 01.08.1926 I have now picked up in the LEVEY book a Richard Southey STIRK born on 10.04.1918 died 27.11.1983 who married Valerie Moira LEVEY. Could this be the same Richard? Any help would be appreciated. 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Thank you so much that is what I thought. Are you able to tell me where I can get a copy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 27 December 2013 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Steinhobel is on two pages in SAG 12, 173-4. The total is about one column, half a page. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:31:31 AM EST From: "Denise Igesund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Is there anyone that can help me with an entry in SA Genealogies for Steinhobel. I have one page but I feel like the page should extend onto the next. Denise -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 27 December 2013 10:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Rod, There is a listing in SA Genealogies 12, p. 269. Also, check out the 1820 Settlers site, 1820settlers.com: Name Richard Southey Stirk Born 10 Apr 1918 Gender Male Died 27 Nov 1983 Grahamstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location Eastern Province Herald. 30 Nov 1983 STIRK. – Richard Southey (Dick), husband of Val and father of Shirley and Duane, Ronald and Marlene, Joy and Hutch, pops of Wendy, Timothy and Michelle, passed away at the West Wing, Settlers Hospital, Grahamstown, on November 27, 1983. A memorial service will be held in St Bartholomew’s Church, Market Street, Grahamstown, on Thursday, December 1, 1983, at 2 p.m. Cremation private. Person ID I6591 master Last Modified 6 Oct 2013 Father Sydney Southey Stirk Click to preview: Sydney Southey Stirk, b. 4 Apr 1877, Grahamstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1 Feb 1968 Mother Ethel Keeton Click to preview: Ethel Keeton, b. Abt 1874 Family ID F2586 Group Sheet Family Valerie Moira Levey Click to preview: Valerie Moira Levey Children 1. Shirley Stirk Click to preview: Shirley Stirk 2. Ronald Stirk Click to preview: Ronald Stirk 3. Joy Stirk Click to preview: Joy Stirk Last Modified 6 Oct 2013 Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:42:06 AM EST From: "Milly & Adrian Rowe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Hi Rod In case it is of any use, the Natal Marriage index has: Sidney Southey STIRK aged 23 marrying Alice Maud WILSON aged 22 in Durban on 31 Jan 1901 at the Presbyterian Church. No STIRK witnesses. (LDS film 1792035 #2019) Also Sidney John Southey STIRK aged 25 (born 23 Jan 1930 In Grahamstown) marrying Leonne Wynne VERMAAK aged 24 at All Saints Church, Bellair (LDS film 1938637 # 551). There is a STIRK witness but it is difficult to read the initials. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 26 December 2013 06:56 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Good Afternoon from a sweltering Cape Town, Can any of the STIRK researchers kindly assist. I have a Richard STIRK in my data base, no dates, and I have his parents as Sydney Southey STIRK born on 04.04.1877 died 01.02.1969 who married Ethel KEETON born in 1874 died 01.08.1926 I have now picked up in the LEVEY book a Richard Southey STIRK born on 10.04.1918 died 27.11.1983 who married Valerie Moira LEVEY. Could this be the same Richard? Any help would be appreciated. Regards to all, Rod g Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6951 - Release Date: 12/26/13 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anyone that can help me with an entry in SA Genealogies for Steinhobel. I have one page but I feel like the page should extend onto the next. Denise -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 27 December 2013 10:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Rod, There is a listing in SA Genealogies 12, p. 269. Also, check out the 1820 Settlers site, 1820settlers.com: Name Richard Southey Stirk Born 10 Apr 1918 Gender Male Died 27 Nov 1983 Grahamstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location Eastern Province Herald. 30 Nov 1983 STIRK. – Richard Southey (Dick), husband of Val and father of Shirley and Duane, Ronald and Marlene, Joy and Hutch, pops of Wendy, Timothy and Michelle, passed away at the West Wing, Settlers Hospital, Grahamstown, on November 27, 1983. A memorial service will be held in St Bartholomew’s Church, Market Street, Grahamstown, on Thursday, December 1, 1983, at 2 p.m. Cremation private. Person ID I6591 master Last Modified 6 Oct 2013 Father Sydney Southey Stirk Click to preview: Sydney Southey Stirk, b. 4 Apr 1877, Grahamstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1 Feb 1968 Mother Ethel Keeton Click to preview: Ethel Keeton, b. Abt 1874 Family ID F2586 Group Sheet Family Valerie Moira Levey Click to preview: Valerie Moira Levey Children 1. Shirley Stirk Click to preview: Shirley Stirk 2. Ronald Stirk Click to preview: Ronald Stirk 3. Joy Stirk Click to preview: Joy Stirk Last Modified 6 Oct 2013 Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:42:06 AM EST From: "Milly & Adrian Rowe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Hi Rod In case it is of any use, the Natal Marriage index has: Sidney Southey STIRK aged 23 marrying Alice Maud WILSON aged 22 in Durban on 31 Jan 1901 at the Presbyterian Church. No STIRK witnesses. (LDS film 1792035 #2019) Also Sidney John Southey STIRK aged 25 (born 23 Jan 1930 In Grahamstown) marrying Leonne Wynne VERMAAK aged 24 at All Saints Church, Bellair (LDS film 1938637 # 551). There is a STIRK witness but it is difficult to read the initials. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 26 December 2013 06:56 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Stirk/Levey families Good Afternoon from a sweltering Cape Town, Can any of the STIRK researchers kindly assist. I have a Richard STIRK in my data base, no dates, and I have his parents as Sydney Southey STIRK born on 04.04.1877 died 01.02.1969 who married Ethel KEETON born in 1874 died 01.08.1926 I have now picked up in the LEVEY book a Richard Southey STIRK born on 10.04.1918 died 27.11.1983 who married Valerie Moira LEVEY. Could this be the same Richard? Any help would be appreciated. Regards to all, Rod g Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6951 - Release Date: 12/26/13 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message