Hi Richard This could be the deceased estate file of George in 1951: http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm30ddf0?201401192024478E4F 8C63&DN=00000001 If so a researcher would be able to look at the Death Notice on the file and give you family information from it. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 19 January 2014 07:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] PERKINS/OXENHAM My name is Richard I live on the west coast of Canada. I am trying to trace my maternal great grandparents - George PERKINS and Martha OXENHAM in South Africa from post 1920,s Sussex, England. George and Martha travelled to Johannasburg SA aprox 1920, and stayed in SA for the rest of their life. My parents and grand parents moved to SA 1947, I was born there in Johannesburg, left when I was two. George was a blacksmith/farrier in Sussex, I have no Idea what he did in SA, or Martha for that matter. In the family it is rumered that he took other family with him, I do know that he left his married daughter Louisa, and youngest son John in England. I have no idea were to start in South Africa so any and all help most appreciated. Richard of Abbotsford.

Hello Every one. Messages like this put a smile on my face. Your willingness to help total strangers and newbies like me. Kind Regards. Magda Begeman Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Keith Meintjes" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 14:30:49 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] PERKINS/OXENHAM The file is in the Transvaal Archives. You can order photographs of the documents at www.eggsa.org where you will also find "how to" guides on South African genealogy. DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG REFERENCE 4422/51 PART 1 STARTING 19510000 ENDING 19510000 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE MARTHA LOUISA PERKINS. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:52:01 PM EST From: Richard <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] PERKINS/OXENHAM My name is Richard I live on the west coast of Canada. I am trying to trace my maternal great grandparents - George PERKINS and Martha OXENHAM in South Africa from post 1920,s Sussex, England. George and Martha travelled to Johannasburg SA aprox 1920, and stayed in SA for the rest of their life. My parents and grand parents moved to SA 1947, I was born there in Johannesburg, left when I was two. George was a blacksmith/farrier in Sussex, I have no Idea what he did in SA, or Martha for that matter. In the family it is rumered that he took other family with him, I do know that he left his married daughter Louisa, and youngest son John in England. I have no idea were to start in South Africa so any and all help most appreciated. Richard of Abbotsford. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The file is in the Transvaal Archives. You can order photographs of the documents at www.eggsa.org where you will also find "how to" guides on South African genealogy. DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG REFERENCE 4422/51 PART 1 STARTING 19510000 ENDING 19510000 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE MARTHA LOUISA PERKINS. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:52:01 PM EST From: Richard <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] PERKINS/OXENHAM My name is Richard I live on the west coast of Canada. I am trying to trace my maternal great grandparents - George PERKINS and Martha OXENHAM in South Africa from post 1920,s Sussex, England. George and Martha travelled to Johannasburg SA aprox 1920, and stayed in SA for the rest of their life. My parents and grand parents moved to SA 1947, I was born there in Johannesburg, left when I was two. George was a blacksmith/farrier in Sussex, I have no Idea what he did in SA, or Martha for that matter. In the family it is rumered that he took other family with him, I do know that he left his married daughter Louisa, and youngest son John in England. I have no idea were to start in South Africa so any and all help most appreciated. Richard of Abbotsford. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there Please could someone tell me how I can get a copy of a Death Certificate for a death that occurred in Standerton, Tvl in 1901. I have found a record for James Frost who died there on the 26/11/1901 in the Standerton Concentration Camp. The only ones available online at Family Search are for the Cape Province. Thank you Patty

My name is Richard I live on the west coast of Canada. I am trying to trace my maternal great grandparents - George PERKINS and Martha OXENHAM in South Africa from post 1920,s Sussex, England. George and Martha travelled to Johannasburg SA aprox 1920, and stayed in SA for the rest of their life. My parents and grand parents moved to SA 1947, I was born there in Johannesburg, left when I was two. George was a blacksmith/farrier in Sussex, I have no Idea what he did in SA, or Martha for that matter. In the family it is rumered that he took other family with him, I do know that he left his married daughter Louisa, and youngest son John in England. I have no idea were to start in South Africa so any and all help most appreciated. Richard of Abbotsford.

Hello Richard, Once again many thanks , the possibility looks good that one of them is the George I am looking for. I have found the NAAIRS site very useful. I will contact one of the independent researchers to see what they can obtain copy documents for me. Kind regards Ken Ken Taylor New Zealand On 15/01/2014, at 7:24 pm, Richard Ball <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Ken, > > KT> Yes I did obtain the information on baptisms from Familysearch > KT> records at the link below. Unfortunately they are restricted to > KT> Baptisms only but there is still a lot of information on this site > KT> I still need to explore. > > Sorry, I misunderstood (or didn't read properly!) part of your > original query. > > George Taylor - had a good job - let us assume he stayed in the Cape, > then, up to 1920, there seem to be these possibilities (from NAAIRS) > > MOOC 6/9/373 522 TAYLOR, GEORGE. DEATH NOTICE. 1898 > MOOC 13/1/861 76 TAYLOR, GEORGE. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. > 1899 > > MOOC 6/9/472 1290 TAYLOR, GEORGE THOMAS. DEATH NOTICE. 1903 > MOOC 13/1/1144 12 TAYLOR, GEORGE THOMAS. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION > ACCOUNT. 1903 > > MOOC 6/9/748 997 TAYLOR, GEORGE. DEATH NOTICE. 1914 > MOOC 13/1/2259 174 TAYLOR, GEORGE. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. 1914 > > Since George Taylor is not an uncommon name on NAAIRS it may well be > that none of these is your great grandfather. > > The George Thomas could be your grandfather's brother - if so, and he > wasn't married when he died, his parents, if living, would have been > joint heirs with his siblings and should be mentioned in his death > notice and in the distribution account - might give you a clue if they > were still living at that date. > > The above docs are all in the Cape Archives and eGGSA can't help you > there, but there is a list of commercial researchers on the NAAIRS web > site: > > http://www.national.archives.gov.za/NARS%20DMLIB%208372%20March%202012.pdf > > > All the best, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lysvriende, Ek soek asseblief na Emmarentia Steyn, afgetrede professor in Duits by RAU. Sy het tot onlangs in Hermanus gewoon. Haar ma, Gerda Steyn, gebore Lourens, het blykbaar 'n baie gesaghebbende boek oor die LOURENS-familie geskryf. Glo tot in 1400 in Pruise nagevors. Kan iemand dalk help? Asseblief. Eddie OTTE RUSTENBURG 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK

Hello Richard, Thank you for your informative reply. I will definitely investigate the links you gave me. Yes I did obtain the information on baptisms from Familysearch records at the link below. Unfortunately they are restricted to Baptisms only but there is still a lot of information on this site I still need to explore. https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM9HS-L38%3A885917874%3Fcc%3D1468076 Once again thank you for your response. regards Ken Taylor [email protected] On 14/01/2014, at 10:18 pm, Richard Ball <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Ken, > > you wrote: > > KT> I am trying to find information on my great Grandfather, George > KT> Taylor who lived in Fraserburg, Karoo, Northern Cape. > KT> I have not been able to trace his death and do not know whether > KT> he stayed in Fraserburg when he retired. > > The following Estate File is indexed on NAAIRS: > > http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm > > TAB MHG 5013/49 TAYLOR, EDWARD WILLIAM. 1949 > PREDECEASED SPOUSE ELIZABETH ANNE TAYLOR. > > This may (or may not) be your grandfather. Only way to find out is to > order the file. You can do this via eGGSA.org if you wish: > > http://eggsa.org > > You can also find out more about genealogy in SA from this page: > > http://www.eggsa.org/links_e.htm > > > You write that from the 'Fraserburg parish records' > > you found details of children with birth dates but no other > information? Did you source these records on Familysearch - what type > of records are these (normally church records would have baptism, > marriages etc). > > Cheers, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ken, KT> Yes I did obtain the information on baptisms from Familysearch KT> records at the link below. Unfortunately they are restricted to KT> Baptisms only but there is still a lot of information on this site KT> I still need to explore. Sorry, I misunderstood (or didn't read properly!) part of your original query. George Taylor - had a good job - let us assume he stayed in the Cape, then, up to 1920, there seem to be these possibilities (from NAAIRS) MOOC 6/9/373 522 TAYLOR, GEORGE. DEATH NOTICE. 1898 MOOC 13/1/861 76 TAYLOR, GEORGE. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. 1899 MOOC 6/9/472 1290 TAYLOR, GEORGE THOMAS. DEATH NOTICE. 1903 MOOC 13/1/1144 12 TAYLOR, GEORGE THOMAS. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. 1903 MOOC 6/9/748 997 TAYLOR, GEORGE. DEATH NOTICE. 1914 MOOC 13/1/2259 174 TAYLOR, GEORGE. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. 1914 Since George Taylor is not an uncommon name on NAAIRS it may well be that none of these is your great grandfather. The George Thomas could be your grandfather's brother - if so, and he wasn't married when he died, his parents, if living, would have been joint heirs with his siblings and should be mentioned in his death notice and in the distribution account - might give you a clue if they were still living at that date. The above docs are all in the Cape Archives and eGGSA can't help you there, but there is a list of commercial researchers on the NAAIRS web site: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/NARS%20DMLIB%208372%20March%202012.pdf All the best, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk [email protected]

Hi, I am trying to find information on my great Grandfather, George Taylor who lived in Fraserburg, Karoo, Northern Cape. From the Fraserburg parish records (Parish of Beaufort-West division Fraserburg) I have found George and his wife Elizabeth had four children. 1. George Thomas Taylor born 20/12/1880 - Occupation of George - Gaoler 2. Henry Frederick Taylor born 4/12/1882 - Occupation of George - Gaoler 3. Amelia Catherine Mary-Ann born 26/10/1884 - Occupation of George - Chief Constable 4. Edward William Taylor - my grandfather - born 2/12/1886 - Occupation of George - Chief Constable. I have not been able to trace his death and do not know whether he stayed in Fraserburg when he retired. Also I do not know if he was born in South Africa or came out from the UK - my Dad thought his ancestors may have come from Reading England but my aunt thought they came from Ireland. Any suggestions or advice on where to look would very much be appreciated. Kind regards Ken Taylor New Zealand

Hello Ken, you wrote: KT> I am trying to find information on my great Grandfather, George KT> Taylor who lived in Fraserburg, Karoo, Northern Cape. KT> I have not been able to trace his death and do not know whether KT> he stayed in Fraserburg when he retired. The following Estate File is indexed on NAAIRS: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm TAB MHG 5013/49 TAYLOR, EDWARD WILLIAM. 1949 PREDECEASED SPOUSE ELIZABETH ANNE TAYLOR. This may (or may not) be your grandfather. Only way to find out is to order the file. You can do this via eGGSA.org if you wish: http://eggsa.org You can also find out more about genealogy in SA from this page: http://www.eggsa.org/links_e.htm You write that from the 'Fraserburg parish records' you found details of children with birth dates but no other information? Did you source these records on Familysearch - what type of records are these (normally church records would have baptism, marriages etc). Cheers, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk [email protected]

Hi Eddie, We had a speaker called Jayne Moir at our Durban & Coastal branch meeting last year. Her talk on the Boer war graves on St Helena was fascinating and she may be able to help you. When you contact her, please mention that her contact details are from our branch of GSSA. [email protected] Good luck, Rose On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Eddie & Marina Otte < [email protected]> wrote: > Patrick, > > Thanks for the reply. > > This web site seems to only give the names etc of the POWs. It seems to > have > no information on the guys who died and were buried at the camps. > > Thanks, > > > Eddie OTTE > RUSTENBURG > 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 > OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of K Patrick S > Cuthbert > Sent: 13 January 2014 06:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St Helena POW List > > Try > http://www.anglo-boer.co.za/database-search/ > > Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert (Maj) Dip Pharm > 4 Stockenstrom Street, George 6529 > Box 2005, George 6530 > Mobile: 0827239608 > Lline: 0448743655 > Fax: 0865144306 > Email: [email protected] > Alt email: [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eddie & Marina > Otte > Sent: 13 January 2014 16:09 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St Helena POW List > > I went through some old e-mails and noticed quite a discussion around 2000 > on the POW lists for St Helena. > > > > Can somebody please assist? > > > > I would very much appreciate the grave number of Dirk Johannes van Niekerk > who died and was buried on St Helena? > > > > Apparently there is a web with all the information. > > > > Please. > > > > Eddie OTTE > > RUSTENBURG > > 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 > > OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patrick, Thanks for the reply. This web site seems to only give the names etc of the POWs. It seems to have no information on the guys who died and were buried at the camps. Thanks, Eddie OTTE RUSTENBURG 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of K Patrick S Cuthbert Sent: 13 January 2014 06:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St Helena POW List Try http://www.anglo-boer.co.za/database-search/ Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert (Maj) Dip Pharm 4 Stockenstrom Street, George 6529 Box 2005, George 6530 Mobile: 0827239608 Lline: 0448743655 Fax: 0865144306 Email: [email protected] Alt email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eddie & Marina Otte Sent: 13 January 2014 16:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St Helena POW List I went through some old e-mails and noticed quite a discussion around 2000 on the POW lists for St Helena. Can somebody please assist? I would very much appreciate the grave number of Dirk Johannes van Niekerk who died and was buried on St Helena? Apparently there is a web with all the information. Please. Eddie OTTE RUSTENBURG 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the next few days, ancestry.com has the US 1940 Index for free: http://www.ancestry.com/1940-census Keith

Try http://www.anglo-boer.co.za/database-search/ Kingston Patrick S Cuthbert (Maj) Dip Pharm 4 Stockenstrom Street, George 6529 Box 2005, George 6530 Mobile: 0827239608 Lline: 0448743655 Fax: 0865144306 Email: [email protected] Alt email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eddie & Marina Otte Sent: 13 January 2014 16:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St Helena POW List I went through some old e-mails and noticed quite a discussion around 2000 on the POW lists for St Helena. Can somebody please assist? I would very much appreciate the grave number of Dirk Johannes van Niekerk who died and was buried on St Helena? Apparently there is a web with all the information. Please. Eddie OTTE RUSTENBURG 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I went through some old e-mails and noticed quite a discussion around 2000 on the POW lists for St Helena. Can somebody please assist? I would very much appreciate the grave number of Dirk Johannes van Niekerk who died and was buried on St Helena? Apparently there is a web with all the information. Please. Eddie OTTE RUSTENBURG 014 533 1318 en 072 900 4461 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK

Hello all With the listowner's permission I would like to announce a brand new version of Robert Shell's "From Diaspora to Diorama: The old slave lodge in Cape Town". Rob writes: "One purpose of this e-book is to encourage a change in the way history is researched, read and written. For too long history has been written by trained historians employed by universities and funded by large granting institutions. Such history is often of such a demanding and esoteric nature that the subjects of the history do not recognise themselves. Consequently, such books are neither read nor sold in the subject communities. Such books are also expensive. The people are therefore cheated of their own past and, ultimately, of their identity. In this production, I want to bring to the reader both the primary and secondary material of one topic, the old slave lodge in Cape Town. From Diaspora to Diorama contains over 9,000 pages of interpretations, newly unearthed eyewitness accounts, newly commissioned aquarelles by John English and many new sketches and photographs by internationally famous model builder, Peter Laponder." Of exceptional interest to the genealogist or historian are the appendices of 6,000 entries: slaves, political exiles, slave voyages to the Lodge, slave cargo lists, lodge slave baptisms, lodge censuses, slave lodge deaths and lodge manumissions. It is curious that the Lodge slaves are often better documented than the settlers! A number of well-known researchers contributed to this publication, resulting in a well-rounded and well-researched product. It is available both as a CD-based item or as a downloadable. A 56-page brochure for this item can be downloaded from http://www.cdbooks-r-us.com/supportdocs/diasporabooklet.pdf More details are available on the www.cdbooks-r-us.com website. Any queries should be addressed to me directly at above address and not via the list. Kind regards Colin

My sister has asked me for my help. our Uncle died at Frangipani Nursing home in Bera. Durban. South Africa, years ago, believe his wife also died there, they were Charles Campbell and Betty Campbell, he was originally from Northern Ireland.. went to South Africa, came over to London when I was living at home a few times.. so hardly saw them, my late mothers brother, similar as my Auntie, mother sister, she was in Nairobi with her husband.. sad when families leave home and hardly ever seen again.. but the Nairobi ones did retire to England, but years later, nieces left home for New Zealand!!! Wonder if my Auntie and Uncle in Durban have headstones on the plots. I would guess they died about 1970-80s in S. Africa.. When I quote Northern Ireland, he was from Whitehead, lovely area, often had school holidays there, as he had his sister and a brother still living nearby. Charles left a family bible, wouldn't I love to find that treasure, they belonged to the Presbyterian church, so perhaps they have the Bible, it may list some family history which I need!!! I know at one time they lived in Jo'Burg.. Any guide for searching for anything on this family would be wonderful thanks, neither of the family in South or East Africa had issue. Adele Carterton. NZ

Hello Adele, I have searched the SA Genealogy website for Charles' grave, I have come up with several. Have a look at this website. You maybe fortunate to find the correct one.http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/library/searchGraves.pl Kind regards Fay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adele Pentony-Graham Sent: 11 January 2014 01:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Frangipani Nursing Home My sister has asked me for my help. our Uncle died at Frangipani Nursing home in Bera. Durban. South Africa, years ago, believe his wife also died there, they were Charles Campbell and Betty Campbell, he was originally from Northern Ireland.. went to South Africa, came over to London when I was living at home a few times.. so hardly saw them, my late mothers brother, similar as my Auntie, mother sister, she was in Nairobi with her husband.. sad when families leave home and hardly ever seen again.. but the Nairobi ones did retire to England, but years later, nieces left home for New Zealand!!! Wonder if my Auntie and Uncle in Durban have headstones on the plots. I would guess they died about 1970-80s in S. Africa.. When I quote Northern Ireland, he was from Whitehead, lovely area, often had school holidays there, as he had his sister and a brother still living nearby. Charles left a family bible, wouldn't I love to find that treasure, they belonged to the Presbyterian church, so perhaps they have the Bible, it may list some family history which I need!!! I know at one time they lived in Jo'Burg.. Any guide for searching for anything on this family would be wonderful thanks, neither of the family in South or East Africa had issue. Adele Carterton. NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Adele Your quest is going to be difficult! Frangipani Nursing Home, Essenwood Road, on the Durban Berea, closed down some years ago. I pass by often but am not sure what is there now. I will look in the next few days. Whether the previous owner is still alive and still has records is anyone's guess. The only way to try to trace your aunt & uncle would be to establish their dates of decease. If they had assets there will be a Deceased Estate file which will be lodged at the Master of the High Court's offices in Pietermaritzburg. If the deaths were after 1973 the only way to obtain the file reference is for someone to physically search the annual Index books at the Master's office. This will be time consuming. Once the Deceased Estate file is located it will indicate who the Executor was and he/she/they will be able to indicate what happened to the family Bible. Adrian Kloof, nr. Durban -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adele Pentony-Graham Sent: 11 January 2014 01:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Frangipani Nursing Home My sister has asked me for my help. our Uncle died at Frangipani Nursing home in Bera. Durban. South Africa, years ago, believe his wife also died there, they were Charles Campbell and Betty Campbell, he was originally from Northern Ireland.. went to South Africa, came over to London when I was living at home a few times.. so hardly saw them, my late mothers brother, similar as my Auntie, mother sister, she was in Nairobi with her husband.. sad when families leave home and hardly ever seen again.. but the Nairobi ones did retire to England, but years later, nieces left home for New Zealand!!! Wonder if my Auntie and Uncle in Durban have headstones on the plots. I would guess they died about 1970-80s in S. Africa.. When I quote Northern Ireland, he was from Whitehead, lovely area, often had school holidays there, as he had his sister and a brother still living nearby. Charles left a family bible, wouldn't I love to find that treasure, they belonged to the Presbyterian church, so perhaps they have the Bible, it may list some family history which I need!!! I know at one time they lived in Jo'Burg.. Any guide for searching for anything on this family would be wonderful thanks, neither of the family in South or East Africa had issue. Adele Carterton. NZ