Oh Dennis you are my hero....giggle Lucky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Pretorius Sent: 31 January 2014 09:28 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Krugersdorp, Transvall (Gauteng) Hallo Lucky I knew Hughie and Daphne James quite well - Daphne recently passed away and Hughie moved to Sugarbush Estate, a Sectional Title complex in Krugersdorp after living in Monument, Krugersdorp for many years. I do not have his contact details but will get that for you on Monday Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laquita Belinfante Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 9:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Krugersdorp, Transvall (Gauteng) Hello all After years of no luck, I am now on a roll with my JAMES family. I have just heard that there are 3 brothers JAMES who live in the Krugersdorp area. One is a Krugersdorp High school "Old boy" and has a second hand card dealer in the town. Has anyone any idea how I could go about finding him or a phone number for the school. His name is Martin JAMES and his brothers are Norman and Hugh(y) (ie). Their father carried the nick name of Kookie JAMES. ANY help would be great, as I have a Johannesburg directory and have come to realise that many folk only have cell phones. Lucky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hallo Lucky I knew Hughie and Daphne James quite well - Daphne recently passed away and Hughie moved to Sugarbush Estate, a Sectional Title complex in Krugersdorp after living in Monument, Krugersdorp for many years. I do not have his contact details but will get that for you on Monday Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laquita Belinfante Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 9:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Krugersdorp, Transvall (Gauteng) Hello all After years of no luck, I am now on a roll with my JAMES family. I have just heard that there are 3 brothers JAMES who live in the Krugersdorp area. One is a Krugersdorp High school "Old boy" and has a second hand card dealer in the town. Has anyone any idea how I could go about finding him or a phone number for the school. His name is Martin JAMES and his brothers are Norman and Hugh(y) (ie). Their father carried the nick name of Kookie JAMES. ANY help would be great, as I have a Johannesburg directory and have come to realise that many folk only have cell phones. Lucky

Hello all After years of no luck, I am now on a roll with my JAMES family. I have just heard that there are 3 brothers JAMES who live in the Krugersdorp area. One is a Krugersdorp High school "Old boy" and has a second hand card dealer in the town. Has anyone any idea how I could go about finding him or a phone number for the school. His name is Martin JAMES and his brothers are Norman and Hugh(y) (ie). Their father carried the nick name of Kookie JAMES. ANY help would be great, as I have a Johannesburg directory and have come to realise that many folk only have cell phones. Lucky --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

=== Alexander Rogers Bryson Murie b: 1884 or 1879 Uitenhage, d:1924 Uitenhage. Walter Alexander Murie : b:1911 Uitenhage, d:1911 Uitenhage. === This must be yours (?): [Alexander Murie] [b:1842 in Perth, Perthshire, Scotland] [Lived in: Kirkmichael, Perthshire, Scotland] d: South Africa. wife: Elizabeth. dg: Jessie Scott. === I must take my hat off to this eGGSA project !!!: http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1648514 Alexander (Rogers) Bryson Murie d:08-11-1924 [Wife of Charlotte born Stow] with son Walter Alexander Murie d:23-11-1911. Other STOW buried here: http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2200598&g2_page=4 === [Alexander Rogers Bryson Murie] + [Jessie Scott Murie]: As I have it, are brother and sister.... === Alexander Murie b:1842 in Perth, Perthshire, Scotland: Probably m:Lanarkshire, Scotland, his Parents: William Murie + Helen Crosser(/Corser?) Donald. === Curiously: I am related to one [STOW] of Uitenhage b:1880's !!!. She is my Grt-grandmother maternal side .... We might be fairly closely related .... === "Tis Strange but True, For Truth is always Strange, Stranger than Fiction". By Lord Byron. ====================== .B.S. ======================

======================= Jessie Scott Murie b:1876, South Africa Parents: Alexander Murie + Elizabeth Bryson Alexander Rogers Bryson Murie b: 1884, South Africa d: Eastern Cape, South Africa m: Eastern Cape, South Africa Parents: Alexander Murie + Elizabeth Bryson Walter Alexander Murie b:1911, South Africa d: Eastern Cape, South Africa Parents: Alexander Rogers Bryson Murie + Charlotte Matilda Stow ======================= [Andrew Findlay + Jessie Scott Murie]: Children are: Albert Ramsay Findlay 12-07-1900 - 09-10-1968. Olive Jessie Findlay 1913-2004. Harold William Findlay 1915-1974 [Brakpan, Gauteng, South Africa], [Wife: May Charlotte \\]. ======================= .B.S. =======================

[They d. the same month and I suspect she is buried there too !!!.]: I realize my write error, it is a double grave. I had basically worked out from other refs that she is probably buried there, possibly in the same grave or nearby. I research as I write. BS.

Hello: === http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2158399 Albert Ramsay Findlay b:12-07-1900 d:09-10-1968 bur: Brenthurst Cemetery, Brakpan, South Africa. Daisy Irene Findlay b:18-12-1902 d:31-10-1968 bur: Brenthurst Cemetery, Brakpan, South Africa. NOTES: They d. the same month and I suspect she is buried there too !!!. He is possibly b. in [Uitenhage, Eastern Cape, South Africa] ?. It seems he had 3 kids ?. === http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2153105 bur:Brenthurst Cemetery, Brakpan, South Africa. IN LOVING MEMORY OF MY DEAR HUSBAND ANDREW FINDLAY DIED 20TH FEBRUARY 1926 AGED 56 YEARS BELOVED BY HIS FELLOW MEN "AT REST" *** Maybe [Albert Ramsay Findlay]'s father ?. === http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2153108 bur: Brenthurst Cemetery, Brakpan, South Africa. James Wallace FINDLAY d:30-08-1928 age 23 years. Elizabeth Muriel McNALLY nee FINDLAY d:26-04-1926 age 26 years === http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2696903 J.R. FINDLAY [Not sure if connected....] === Thomas Findlay b:1895 RSA, immigrated 1924 San Francisco USA. [Not sure if connected....] === DEPOT NAB SOURCE MSCE TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 4375/1970 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MCGREGOR, JOHN ALFRED LESLIE. BORN IN PIETERSBERG, TRANSVAAL. SSP AUDREY JOYCE MCGREGOR (BORN FINDLAY). DECEASED ESTATE. STARTING 1970 ENDING 1986 This should be yours too !!!. [AUDREY JOYCE MCGREGOR (BORN FINDLAY)]: She should be the dg of [Albert Ramsay Findlay] ?. === Audrey Joyce Findlay 1929-1990 Born: Germiston, Gauteng, South Africa Died: Brakpan, Gauteng, South Africa Husband: John Alfred Leslie McGregor === .B.S. ===================================

I have a Lillian Gwendoline Drysdale born 1903 married to a Findlay first name unknown - on anybody's Findlay tree? Thanks Alison -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shames Marcella Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014 5:51 AM To: Bart Simon; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] John KNIPE/FINDLAY/SWALES/O"NEAL/THOMPSON Have Andrew FINDLAY snr and Eliza[beth] MILNE with 8 children baptized in Old Deer Parish between 1789 and 1805 ...a number of their grandchildren migrated to SA Trying to find them coming to the Cape - Alexander + Andrew jnr after 1881 others maybe before? Trying to connect to other SA FINDLAY's that's why I asked about the home country of James FINDLAY who married Margaret GOVENLOCK - sadly I can't see a connection Thanks Marcella FINDLAY Shames On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Bart Simon <[email protected]> wrote: > What exactly are you looking for ?. B.S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shames Marcella > rats! not my James but thanks anyway:) Marcella > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James Govenlock FINDLAY grave: [Google Maps: -26.194675,28.143888]: If you come through the main entrance of Primrose Cemetery in Cemetery Rd., you take the 2rd road right, (On Google Maps what looks like the first road you can't turn down since it has a memorial wall built in it, and not considered a road !!!), cross 1st road, at end of 2nd road take quick left then quick right turn, at the end of this road, stop, on the left, the 3rd row and 5th grave headstone in from right. I took 3 photos but wrong time of day for this. But you can see the whole grave too. BS.

Have Andrew FINDLAY snr and Eliza[beth] MILNE with 8 children baptized in Old Deer Parish between 1789 and 1805 ...a number of their grandchildren migrated to SA Trying to find them coming to the Cape - Alexander + Andrew jnr after 1881 others maybe before? Trying to connect to other SA FINDLAY's that's why I asked about the home country of James FINDLAY who married Margaret GOVENLOCK - sadly I can't see a connection Thanks Marcella FINDLAY Shames On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Bart Simon <[email protected]> wrote: > What exactly are you looking for ?. B.S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shames Marcella > rats! not my James but thanks anyway:) Marcella > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To add to the info on James Govenlock FINDLAY- Passenger record; Union Castle Llanstephan Castle James Findlay age 33 Civil Servant and Olive Findlay age 30 housewife Point of departure Dar-es-Salaam Point of Arrival London Date of arrival 8 Apr 1936 Address 355 Kings St Aberdeen Perm res Tanganyika However; His estate ref TAB 5057/42 1940. Thank you all- it is like winning the Lotto! Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bart Simon Sent: 28 January 2014 10:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] John KNIPE/FINDLAY/SWALES/O"NEAL/THOMPSON http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2393451 Seems like we are still in Primrose Cemetery !!!: [James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940]: James Govenlock FINDLAY b:03-07-1902 in Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 at Tanga, East Africa. [Probably WW2 ?]. Full details of his parents ? buried with him too !!!. A triple grave. The headstone will be easy to find too !!!. BS. -----Original Message----- Olive KNIPE married James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940. [I can get this from our local FHS] Olive KNIPE FINDLAY re married a widower Bazil Dennis SWALES whose first wife was Vera MOLD. Bazil died in 1960 TAB Eleanor O'NEAL KNIPE THOMPSON died 1960 but only predeceased spouse is John KNIPE- TAB ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What exactly are you looking for ?. B.S. -----Original Message----- From: Shames Marcella rats! not my James but thanks anyway:) Marcella

Probably him: ===================== James Findlay b:17-02-1872 CRATHIE AND BRAEMAR, ABERDEEN, SCOTLAND father : James Findlay mother : Eliza McHardy ===================== Findlay, James Born: 17 Feb 1872 Died: 14 Dec 1940 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: James Findlay. Husband & Father. Born Braemar; Scotland. Died Johannesburg. Buried with James Covenlock & MargaretKemp Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before ==================== -----Original Message----- From: Shames Marcella Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] John KNIPE/FINDLAY/SWALES/O"NEAL/THOMPSON Does anyone know who James snr's parents were back in Scotland or where, in Aberdeen he came from? Thanks Marcella FINDLAY Shames ===================

Hello: I have been thinking the same thing since I went there recently. I would say the graveyard is in very good condition, Currently about 8-12 workers all cutting the grass with weed eaters, concrete wall all round the perimeter, the chap in the office was friendly etc. I would say this GY has a lot of 'good' headstones, meaning good clear headstones that will photo nicely. This GY never really looked big from the outside, but there is truly a lot of graves here. You are allowed to take your car or motorcycle inside, no bicycles. I would suggest photo taken before 15H00 otherwise falling sun brightness and shadow over the headstones etc., from 08H00 - 14H00 would be fine I think. All the sections are by tar roads. It would be a good time to photo since the cemetery has just been trimmed and very green. No grave numbers and no section names on signs. Visitors Hours: [Sept-Apr]: 08H00 - 18H00. [May-Aug]: 08H00 - 17H00. Office Hours: Mon-FRI: 08H00-12H00; 12H30-15H00. - .B.S. - ======================== -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes Bart, >From the photo you shared with me, the Primrose cemetery (I presume the one in Germiston) seems to be in reasonably good condition. According to the eGGSA web site, they do not have a photographic record of all the stones. Perhaps someone can organize such an expedition? All it needs is for people to take photographs. They are indexed and transcribed later. Keith ------ Original Message ------

Hallo All Thanks to the other Grave Headstone project of GSSA (The DVD Version with transcriptions) we have the following information of FINDLAY graves in Primrose, Germiston - look especially at Sector 21 for details of James Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 Findlay, Anna Born: Died: 26 Mar 1928 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Anna Findlay. Died aged 49 years. Wife of J.M. Findlay. Recorder's Sector 12. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Gwendoline Christina Born: 1 Sep 1908 Died: 26 Jan 1991 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Gwendoline Christina Findlay. Recorder's Sector Wall 1. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, James Born: 17 Feb 1872 Died: 14 Dec 1940 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: James Findlay. Husband & Father. Born Braemar; Scotland. Died Johannesburg. Buried with James Covenlock & MargaretKemp Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, James Covenlock Born: 3 Jul 1902 Died: 1 Mar 1940 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: James Covenlock Findlay. Son & Brother. Born Aberdeen; Scotland. Died Tanga; East Africa. Buried with James & Margaret Kemp Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Margaret Kemp Born: 31 Dec 1877 Died: 19 Apr 1961 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Margaret Kemp Findlay. Mother. Born Glasgow; Scotland; died Johannesburg. Buried with James & James Covenlock Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Marian Hilda Payne Born: 18 Jul 1954 Died: 15 May 1955 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Marian Hilda Payne Findlay. Daughter of Frank & Beth; Sister of David; Robert; George; Peter & Anne. Buried with Marion PatriciaFindlay. Recorder's Sector 31. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Marion Patricia Born: 8 Apr 1951 Died: 30 Sep 2003 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Marion Patricia Findlay. Wife of Bob (Robert); Mother of Morag Zane. Buried with Marian Hilda Payne Findlay. Recorder's Sector 31. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Anna Born: Died: 26 Mar 1928 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Anna Findlay. Died aged 49 years. Wife of J.M. Findlay. Recorder's Sector 12. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Gwendoline Christina Born: 1 Sep 1908 Died: 26 Jan 1991 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Gwendoline Christina Findlay. Recorder's Sector Wall 1. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, James Born: 17 Feb 1872 Died: 14 Dec 1940 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: James Findlay. Husband & Father. Born Braemar; Scotland. Died Johannesburg. Buried with James Covenlock & MargaretKemp Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, James Covenlock Born: 3 Jul 1902 Died: 1 Mar 1940 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: James Covenlock Findlay. Son & Brother. Born Aberdeen; Scotland. Died Tanga; East Africa. Buried with James & Margaret Kemp Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Margaret Kemp Born: 31 Dec 1877 Died: 19 Apr 1961 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Margaret Kemp Findlay. Mother. Born Glasgow; Scotland; died Johannesburg. Buried with James & James Covenlock Findlay. Recorder's Sector 21. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Marian Hilda Payne Born: 18 Jul 1954 Died: 15 May 1955 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Marian Hilda Payne Findlay. Daughter of Frank & Beth; Sister of David; Robert; George; Peter & Anne. Buried with Marion PatriciaFindlay. Recorder's Sector 31. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Marion Patricia Born: 8 Apr 1951 Died: 30 Sep 2003 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Marion Patricia Findlay. Wife of Bob (Robert); Mother of Morag Zane. Buried with Marian Hilda Payne Findlay. Recorder's Sector 31. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Mary Ann Born: Died: 19 Jun 1963 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Mary Ann Findlay. Died aged 75 years. Same grave as Andrew James Herald Recorder's Sector 4. Revision: 8 and before Findlay, Mavis Joan Born: 9 Jun 1880 Died: 20 Sep 1927 Buried: Main Cemetery, Primrose, District Germiston, Gauteng, RSA Note: Mavis Joan Findlay. Married name: du Plessis. Buriued with Willem Gerhardus & Anna Johanna Catharine (nee Koekemore) du Plessis. Recorder's Sector18. Revision: 8 and before

The mother's maiden name is GOVENLOCK: James FINDLAY m. Margaret Kemp GOVENLOCK, their son was: James Govenlock FINDLAY b:03-07-1902 in Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 at Tanga, East Africa. [Probably WW2 ?]. Full details of his parents ? buried with him too !!!. A triple grave. The headstone will be easy to find too !!!. BS. ====================== -----Original Message----- Olive KNIPE married James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940. [I can get this from our local FHS] Olive KNIPE FINDLAY re married a widower Bazil Dennis SWALES whose first wife was Vera MOLD. Bazil died in 1960 TAB Eleanor O'NEAL KNIPE THOMPSON died 1960 but only predeceased spouse is John KNIPE- TAB

http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2393451 Seems like we are still in Primrose Cemetery !!!: [James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940]: James Govenlock FINDLAY b:03-07-1902 in Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 at Tanga, East Africa. [Probably WW2 ?]. Full details of his parents ? buried with him too !!!. A triple grave. The headstone will be easy to find too !!!. BS. -----Original Message----- Olive KNIPE married James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940. [I can get this from our local FHS] Olive KNIPE FINDLAY re married a widower Bazil Dennis SWALES whose first wife was Vera MOLD. Bazil died in 1960 TAB Eleanor O'NEAL KNIPE THOMPSON died 1960 but only predeceased spouse is John KNIPE- TAB

rats! not my James but thanks anyway:) Marcella > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know who James snr's parents were back in Scotland or where, in Aberdeen he came from? Thanks Marcella FINDLAY Shames > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bart, >From the photo you shared with me, the Primrose cemetery (I presume the one in Germiston) seems to be in reasonably good condition. According to the eGGSA web site, they do not have a photographic record of all the stones. Perhaps someone can organize such an expedition? All it needs is for people to take photographs. They are indexed and transcribed later. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:34:00 PM EST From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] John KNIPE/FINDLAY/SWALES/O"NEAL/THOMPSON http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2393451 Seems like we are still in Primrose Cemetery !!!: [James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940]: James Govenlock FINDLAY b:03-07-1902 in Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 at Tanga, East Africa. [Probably WW2 ?]. Full details of his parents ? buried with him too !!!. A triple grave. The headstone will be easy to find too !!!. BS. -----Original Message----- Olive KNIPE married James Govenlock FINDLAY 1929. James died in 1940. [I can get this from our local FHS] Olive KNIPE FINDLAY re married a widower Bazil Dennis SWALES whose first wife was Vera MOLD. Bazil died in 1960 TAB Eleanor O'NEAL KNIPE THOMPSON died 1960 but only predeceased spouse is John KNIPE- TAB ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message