Hello Tombi, you wrote: TP> (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). I don't think the above statement is quite correct. The English term, Dutch Reformed Church, is too broad. As I understand it the records of the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk (NGK) are in the NGK Archives in Stellenbosch. There are, I believe, at least 2 other Dutch Reformed Churches, the Nederduitsch Hervormde Kerk (NHK), and Gereformeerde Kerke (GK). Their records are entirely separate from one another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed_Church_in_South_Africa I believe the Anglican church records for Natal are in the Anglican archives in Pietermaritzburg - don't know whether Wits has copies. All the best, Richard -- Richard Ball, Norfolk, England http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk [email protected]

Can you recommend a researcher. Best Wishes Cate On 10 February 2014 09:56, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, Cate, as I understand all the Anglican records are at Wits. University > Libarary (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). > I think you will need to get a private researcher to do the work for you. > Yes, now I remember, we have done STRETCH research together in the past. > Best wishes, > Tombi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BAZDER" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > > > > Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? > > I am trying to find out where and when my GGgrandfather married,..if he > > ever made an honest woman of my GGgrandmother with whom he had already > had > > seven children with.by the time his first wife passed away in > 1882...went > > on to have a further seven ...poor woman!!! > > They did not marry in his hometown where he was quite a prominent figure > > so > > I suppose that would account for it...so far ...I have come up with > > nothing > > at all!!! > > A lady from the Anglican church in Prince Albert told me I might find it > > in > > the University of Jo`Burg so possibly it is the Witwatersrand.. > > How do I go about getting someone to look at the records for me etc?? > > > > Would be wonderful if I came up with something ...at last.!!! > > > > Tomi ,we did correspond a while back...we are connected by the STRETCH`s. > > > > Take care > > Cate > > > > > > On 9 February 2014 20:51, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library > of > >> the University of the Witwatersrand. > >> Best wishes, > >> Tombi Peck > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> > >> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > >> > >> > >> > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 > >> > are > >> > and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. > >> > > >> > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: > >> > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online > >> > familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then > >> [Marriages > >> > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This > >> > is > >> > the range I need to view. B.S. > >> > ========================= > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, Cate, as I understand all the Anglican records are at Wits. University Libarary (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). I think you will need to get a private researcher to do the work for you. Yes, now I remember, we have done STRETCH research together in the past. Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "BAZDER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? > I am trying to find out where and when my GGgrandfather married,..if he > ever made an honest woman of my GGgrandmother with whom he had already had > seven children with.by the time his first wife passed away in 1882...went > on to have a further seven ...poor woman!!! > They did not marry in his hometown where he was quite a prominent figure > so > I suppose that would account for it...so far ...I have come up with > nothing > at all!!! > A lady from the Anglican church in Prince Albert told me I might find it > in > the University of Jo`Burg so possibly it is the Witwatersrand.. > How do I go about getting someone to look at the records for me etc?? > > Would be wonderful if I came up with something ...at last.!!! > > Tomi ,we did correspond a while back...we are connected by the STRETCH`s. > > Take care > Cate > > > On 9 February 2014 20:51, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library of >> the University of the Witwatersrand. >> Best wishes, >> Tombi Peck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> >> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] >> >> >> > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 >> > are >> > and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. >> > >> > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: >> > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online >> > familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then >> [Marriages >> > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This >> > is >> > the range I need to view. B.S. >> > ========================= >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? I am trying to find out where and when my GGgrandfather married,..if he ever made an honest woman of my GGgrandmother with whom he had already had seven children with.by the time his first wife passed away in 1882...went on to have a further seven ...poor woman!!! They did not marry in his hometown where he was quite a prominent figure so I suppose that would account for it...so far ...I have come up with nothing at all!!! A lady from the Anglican church in Prince Albert told me I might find it in the University of Jo`Burg so possibly it is the Witwatersrand.. How do I go about getting someone to look at the records for me etc?? Would be wonderful if I came up with something ...at last.!!! Tomi ,we did correspond a while back...we are connected by the STRETCH`s. Take care Cate On 9 February 2014 20:51, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library of > the University of the Witwatersrand. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> > To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > > > > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 are > > and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. > > > > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: > > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online > > familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then > [Marriages > > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This is > > the range I need to view. B.S. > > ========================= > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bart, This is what you are looking for: http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/index.php?inventory/U/collections&c=AB3208/I/7673 AB3208 REGISTERS OF THE ANGLICAN CHURCH OF SOUTHERN AFRICA, 1850-2004 Copyright 2013, Historical Papers, The Library, University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa This Index provides a listing of the digitised Registers of the Anglican Church in Southern Africa, which are now available on DVDs and on the website of the Family History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They cover the years 1850-2004 and include baptism, marriage and burial records. The Churches/Parishes in this list are arranged alphabetically as per Diocese. Please note that the Anglican Church in South Africa itself was originally organised in four provinces, namely the Diocese of the Cape of Good Hope, Diocese of Natal, Diocese of the Orange Free State and the Diocese of Transvaal. These provinces were later divided into more Dioceses. The records on the website of the Family History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been arranged according to the original four Provinces. The records on the DVDs are arranged as listed. Registers which are not listed below have not been digitised. Please contact Historical Papers, if these Registers are part of the physical archive of the Anglican Church in Southern Africa and are kept at Historical Papers. Some of the Dioceses have opted to keep the Registers in their respective Parish. JHB DIOCESE OF JOHANNESBURG CHURCH/PARISH DATES NOTES DVD JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1894-98 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1898-1905 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 05-Oct entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1910-15 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1915-23 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1923-30 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1930-36 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1936-39 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1939-40 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Baptisms 1940-51 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Burials 1897-1919 entries not in order 15 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1894-99 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1899-1906 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1906-13 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1913-21 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1921-23 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1924-27 entries not in order 14 JHB Jeppe's Town St.Mary Marriages 1927-62 entries not in order 15 Found at http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/?50/N/Anglican-Church-Registers-ONLINE! Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 03:30:25 PM EST From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 are and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then [Marriages 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This is the range I need to view. B.S. ========================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 are and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then [Marriages 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This is the range I need to view. B.S. =========================

As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library of the University of the Witwatersrand. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 are > and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. > > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online > familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then [Marriages > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This is > the range I need to view. B.S. > ========================= > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Tombi, Regards Cate On 9 February 2014 10:08, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > I was married in St. Matthias Anglican Church, Welkom by Special Licence in > November 1962. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] > > > > On 9 Feb 2014 at 7:39, BAZDER wrote: > > > >> May I but it with this query....Could marriages be performed in a church > >> if by > >> Special Licence? > > > > Yes. > > > > > > -- > > Steve Hayes > > E-mail: [email protected] > > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm > > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 9 Feb 2014 at 7:39, BAZDER wrote: > May I but it with this query....Could marriages be performed in a church if by > Special Licence? Yes. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: [email protected] Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Hi Steve, I was married in St. Matthias Anglican Church, Welkom by Special Licence in November 1962. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] > On 9 Feb 2014 at 7:39, BAZDER wrote: > >> May I but it with this query....Could marriages be performed in a church >> if by >> Special Licence? > > Yes. > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: [email protected] > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I but it with this query....Could marriages be performed in a church if by Special Licence? Cate On 8 February 2014 20:48, Bart Simon <[email protected]> wrote: > [The original register was kept in the church. The duplicate was sent to > the > secular registering authority (now called the Department of Home Affairs), > and another duplicate may have been given to the couple as a marriage > certificate.]: It seems then that you would have: > > 1. [Church] or [Magistrate Marriage Office] original marriage entry in a > registry book etc. > > 2. [Church] or [Magistrate Marriage Office] would then also record on a > *[Duplicate Original Register] the same marriage maybe on the same day. > This > would be sent to the [Department of Home Affairs] etc. > > 3. [Church] or [Magistrate Marriage Office] would issue the couple with say > a [Marriage Certificate] or similar document etc. > > * [Duplicate Original Register]: Whether or not the wedded couples > signatures are theirs or not, I am not completely sure, but, "In the > presence of...." is signed by the [Magistrate Marriage Officer] who is the > SAME person who signs under "Examined in the Presence of ..." section > below, > but here he puts a a date 46 years after the actual marriage. > > I can assume from that, that these DOR's were only made out maybe for the > first time since the marriage etc. ?. Maybe the Dept. of home Affairs > wanted > all these DORs to come in to finally get record of marriages around the > country.... Which is why I am asking. If the case, it means that this DOR > might NOT have been written on the same day of the marriage, and that it is > in fact a transcript of an original register. Which means due to bad > handwriting or faded documents, the DOR could be wrong in content ?. B.S. > ================================== > -----Original Message----- > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes. Marriage required either banns or a license. In Cape Town in the 1800s, licenses were issued on a Saturday and the couple would be married in Church the next day. These licenses are interesting, for they include affidavits from the parents giving permission for minors to marry. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:09:59 AM EST From: "Tombi Peck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] Hi Steve, I was married in St. Matthias Anglican Church, Welkom by Special Licence in November 1962. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] > On 9 Feb 2014 at 7:39, BAZDER wrote: > >> May I but it with this query....Could marriages be performed in a church >> if by >> Special Licence? > > Yes. > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: [email protected] > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 > Fax: 086-548-2525 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then [Marriages 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This is the range I need to view. B.S. =========================

[The original register was kept in the church. The duplicate was sent to the secular registering authority (now called the Department of Home Affairs), and another duplicate may have been given to the couple as a marriage certificate.]: It seems then that you would have: 1. [Church] or [Magistrate Marriage Office] original marriage entry in a registry book etc. 2. [Church] or [Magistrate Marriage Office] would then also record on a *[Duplicate Original Register] the same marriage maybe on the same day. This would be sent to the [Department of Home Affairs] etc. 3. [Church] or [Magistrate Marriage Office] would issue the couple with say a [Marriage Certificate] or similar document etc. * [Duplicate Original Register]: Whether or not the wedded couples signatures are theirs or not, I am not completely sure, but, "In the presence of...." is signed by the [Magistrate Marriage Officer] who is the SAME person who signs under "Examined in the Presence of ..." section below, but here he puts a a date 46 years after the actual marriage. I can assume from that, that these DOR's were only made out maybe for the first time since the marriage etc. ?. Maybe the Dept. of home Affairs wanted all these DORs to come in to finally get record of marriages around the country.... Which is why I am asking. If the case, it means that this DOR might NOT have been written on the same day of the marriage, and that it is in fact a transcript of an original register. Which means due to bad handwriting or faded documents, the DOR could be wrong in content ?. B.S. ================================== -----Original Message-----

Bart, Thanks for asking. It also intrigued me. What is a Duplicate Original? Eddie Otte Rustenburg 014 533 1318 en 081 042 0299 OTTE, MOLL, LOMBARD, VAN NIEKERK, VILJOEN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bart Simon Sent: 07 February 2014 11:05 PM To: RW RSA Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] Hello: For a Natal [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER (Marriage Abt.1920)]: Sorry for my ignorance, what is the difference between a Marriage Register and the [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER (Marriage Abt.1920)] ?. The DOR has all the “In the Presence of ....” signatures etc., but also form printed with “Examined with the Original Register by me and found to be correct” .... signed by whoever. How does this work ?. The printed title of the form is [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER]. B.S. ================================ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 7 Feb 2014 at 22:23, Bart Simon wrote: > If a person came to Joburg by 1902, they were either married in “Joburg” > in 1901-2, probably east side of Joburg, what churches might they have been > married in ?. [St. Mary's the Less, Jeppestown, 1889]. What else ?. > > Secondly, how can one get to check the marriages for 1901-2 for the [St. > Mary's the Less, Jeppestown, 1889] marriage register ?. B.S. St Mary's in central Joburg (now the cathedral), St Augustine's in Doornfontein (among Anglican Churches). There may have been some of other denominations too. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: [email protected] Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 cisely what it meant you would need to look at the Marriage Act of 1920 (without subsequent amendments). -- Steve Hayes E-mail: [email protected] Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

Meaning: Contemporaneously: During the same period of time or possibly a little later.... -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] In those days there were at least two registers, one kept contemporaneously and one or more handwritten copies forwarded to the diocese, etc.

Hello: Thanks Keith: I have just sent you the specific DOR off-list for viewing. It is confusing to question this DOR the first time round. It looks almost like an original marriage entry in some register, EVEN with SIGNATURES "In the presence of ..." section. But in the whole central area of the paper, it looks like it is written by the same hand and style of writing. Maybe even the rest of the document ?. Q1: So did the "Clerk" reproduce the signatures as well ?. i.e. [This marriage was solemnised between us...] and [In the presence of ...] ???. Is the "Clerk" imitating all the signatures ???. Q2: If these are handwritten duplicates, then it is no wonder that there WILL be errors !!!. If the ["REAL ORIGINAL HAS BAD HANDWRITING"] then a person's age at marriage for one single item could be wrong !!!. Even if ONLY that one single item was faded and re-written incorrectly... [The real original has bad handwriting and is written in different hands depending on the officiating minister. The copies are in one hand, usually with more legible script.]. Surely.... this must be point of concern when trying to trace exact dates, people, persons, and trees, etc. ?. So these images online here, are "Clerk" transcripts from an original entry ?. With forced errors as such. One truly needs to VIEW THE ORIGINAL document to ascertain what the dates should or could in fact be ?. The best guess given throughout the DOR for the reading of faded handwriting.... The original of the item I am viewing has some chance to be say FADED over his age of marriage. One would only know this if one viewed the original record !!!. B.S. ==================================== -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] Remember the job title, "clerk"?. In those days there were at least two registers, one kept contemporaneously and one or more handwritten copies forwarded to the diocese, etc. In the DRC registers I have found in some cases three copies. The real original has bad handwriting and is written in different hands depending on the officiating minister. The copies are in one hand, usually with more legible script. Keith. ------ Original Message ------ Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER [!!!] Hello: For a Natal [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER (Marriage Abt.1920)]: Sorry for my ignorance, what is the difference between a Marriage Register and the [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER (Marriage Abt.1920)] ?. The DOR has all the “In the Presence of ....” signatures etc., but also form printed with “Examined with the Original Register by me and found to be correct” .... signed by whoever. How does this work ?. The printed title of the form is [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER]. B.S. ================================ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: For a Natal [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER (Marriage Abt.1920)]: Sorry for my ignorance, what is the difference between a Marriage Register and the [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER (Marriage Abt.1920)] ?. The DOR has all the “In the Presence of ....” signatures etc., but also form printed with “Examined with the Original Register by me and found to be correct” .... signed by whoever. How does this work ?. The printed title of the form is [DUPLICATE ORIGINAL REGISTER]. B.S. ================================

If a person came to Joburg by 1902, they were either married in “Joburg” in 1901-2, probably east side of Joburg, what churches might they have been married in ?. [St. Mary's the Less, Jeppestown, 1889]. What else ?. Secondly, how can one get to check the marriages for 1901-2 for the [St. Mary's the Less, Jeppestown, 1889] marriage register ?. B.S.