Hello: I am putting this out as an open question. Is it not possible for eGGSA to maybe start here on THIS list, to start some posts on say one handful of graveyards that need to be photographed, and start getting interested persons in different locations, to get moving to get these photos taken ?. The Primrose Cemetery right now, is good to be photographed, the grass has just been cut etc., and truly a good time to go and photo it all there. Why not start a Rootsweb eGGSA project where people can post and be posted to ?. You can then put it out that this and that graveyard requires photos, and people in a certain region or specific area are needed to take photos in the same etc. ?. For instance, I did actually try to send some photos from the Primrose Cemetery to eGGSA, but the one email address is not valid, and the second I used, I heard nothing. You need a forum like Rootsweb where things can be posted and discussed etc. Let us get it moving by having a place or space to discuss the topic. I feel the eGGSA website page that has the contact details for the persons to post to, the text is very small, and the persons to post to, truly needs to be made much more noticeable and easy to find and read. “Right Chaps.... We require the whole of the Carolina Cemetery to be photographed, who can help ?”. The Primrose Cemetery etc., what others ?. And then one could chirp the other, “OK Dude, we done this and done that, but we need this and we need that !”. Or... OK OK OK, I can’t help there, but I can help with this cemetery over there.... And then.... One sends the photos, you can also post to send the other or precise info related to a grave, or just update a single date and so on.... And then what about adding Zims too ?. Most persons trekking from RSA went to Rhodesia etc. The Bulawayo Athlone Cemetery is an absolute must have, as well as other cemeteries in Zims etc. You need a forum and place to post, I mean, the last time I went back to Primrose Cemetery, a tree had fallen over an excellent grave, now smashed. Maybe on this forum, you would also automatically keep updated post details etc. and persons to post to etc. Also eGGSA should maybe orchestrate all this since it is your project so to speak. Others will assist and post etc. And for instance, on such a forum, one could say, well we have these sections of the graveyard, but we haven’t touched the memorial walls here and there etc. And someone will chirp back, but did you know there was like a whole lot of memorials behind such a wall ?, and so on. And you would reply “Nooit ek se !!!”. So I am proposing that eGGSA maybe starts here with say an initial 5-10 graveyards and whatever others would like to start photographing, and people can start to join together to go to a specific graveyard with some basic co-ordination etc. You would need a few people to do graveyards. Start a list of graveyards that are known to be needing photo taken etc. Let the posts start coming on list ?. That is the idea, what happens next.... B.S. ===============================

Hi Bart I have tried this once before and had no takers. I hope you are luckier. Regards Carol -----Original Message----- From: Bart Simon Sent: 14 February, 2014 5:26 AM To: RW RSA Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] eGGSA [!!!] Hello: I am putting this out as an open question. Is it not possible for eGGSA to maybe start here on THIS list, to start some posts on say one handful of graveyards that need to be photographed, although most posts could be sent off list, including photos etc., to get some Rootsweb forum to be able to post to, and start getting groups of interested persons in different locations, to get moving to get these photos taken ?. The Primrose Cemetery right now, is good to be photographed, the grass has just been cut etc., and truly a good time to go and photo it all there. Why not start a Rootsweb eGGSA project where people can post and be posted to ?. You can then put it out that this and that graveyard requires photos, and people in a certain region or specific area are needed to take photos in the same etc. ?. For instance, I did actually try to send some photos from the Primrose Cemetery to eGGSA, but the email address is not valid, and the second I used, I heard nothing. You need a forum like Rootsweb where things can be posted and discussed etc. Let us get it moving by having a place or space to discuss the topic. “Right Chaps.... We require the whole of the Carolina Cemetery to be photographed, who can help ?”. The Primrose Cemetery etc., what others ?. And then one could chirp the other, “OK Dude, we done this and done that, but we need this and we need that !”. Or... OK OK OK, I can’t help there, but I can help with this cemetery over there.... And then.... One sends the photos, you can also post to send the other or precise info related to a grave, or just update a single date and so on.... And then what about adding Zims too ?. Most persons trekking from RSA went to Rhodesia etc. The Bulawayo Athlone Cemetery is an absolute must have, as well as other cemeteries in Zims etc. You need a forum and place to post, I mean, the last time I went back to Primrose Cemetery, a tree had fallen over an excellent grave, now smashed. Maybe on this forum, you would also automatically keep updated post details etc. and persons to post to etc. Also eGGSA should maybe orchestrate all this since it is your project so to speak. Others will assist and post etc. And for instance, on such a forum, one could say, well we have these sections of the graveyard, but we haven’t touched the memorial walls here and there etc. And someone will chirp back, but did you know there was like a whole lot of memorials behind such a wall ?, and so on. And you would reply “Nooit ek se !!!”. That is the idea, what happens next.... B.S. =============================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds like a great idea On Feb 14, 2014 7:40 PM, "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello: > > I am putting this out as an open question. Is it not possible for eGGSA to > maybe start here on THIS list, to start some posts on say one handful of > graveyards that need to be photographed, although most posts could be sent > off list, including photos etc., to get some Rootsweb forum to be able to > post to, and start getting groups of interested persons in different > locations, to get moving to get these photos taken ?. > > The Primrose Cemetery right now, is good to be photographed, the grass has > just been cut etc., and truly a good time to go and photo it all there. Why > not start a Rootsweb eGGSA project where people can post and be posted to > ?. You can then put it out that this and that graveyard requires photos, > and people in a certain region or specific area are needed to take photos > in the same etc. ?. > > For instance, I did actually try to send some photos from the Primrose > Cemetery to eGGSA, but the email address is not valid, and the second I > used, I heard nothing. You need a forum like Rootsweb where things can be > posted and discussed etc. Let us get it moving by having a place or space > to discuss the topic. > > "Right Chaps.... We require the whole of the Carolina Cemetery to be > photographed, who can help ?". The Primrose Cemetery etc., what others ?. > And then one could chirp the other, "OK Dude, we done this and done that, > but we need this and we need that !". Or... OK OK OK, I can't help there, > but I can help with this cemetery over there.... > > And then.... One sends the photos, you can also post to send the other or > precise info related to a grave, or just update a single date and so on.... > > And then what about adding Zims too ?. Most persons trekking from RSA went > to Rhodesia etc. The Bulawayo Athlone Cemetery is an absolute must have, as > well as other cemeteries in Zims etc. > > You need a forum and place to post, I mean, the last time I went back to > Primrose Cemetery, a tree had fallen over an excellent grave, now smashed. > Maybe on this forum, you would also automatically keep updated post details > etc. and persons to post to etc. Also eGGSA should maybe orchestrate all > this since it is your project so to speak. Others will assist and post etc. > > And for instance, on such a forum, one could say, well we have these > sections of the graveyard, but we haven't touched the memorial walls here > and there etc. And someone will chirp back, but did you know there was like > a whole lot of memorials behind such a wall ?, and so on. And you would > reply "Nooit ek se !!!". > > That is the idea, what happens next.... > > B.S. > =============================== > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A management and coordination structur has been in place for some time: http://www.genza.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=348&lang=en Keith

Hello: I am putting this out as an open question. Is it not possible for eGGSA to maybe start here on THIS list, to start some posts on say one handful of graveyards that need to be photographed, although most posts could be sent off list, including photos etc., to get some Rootsweb forum to be able to post to, and start getting groups of interested persons in different locations, to get moving to get these photos taken ?. The Primrose Cemetery right now, is good to be photographed, the grass has just been cut etc., and truly a good time to go and photo it all there. Why not start a Rootsweb eGGSA project where people can post and be posted to ?. You can then put it out that this and that graveyard requires photos, and people in a certain region or specific area are needed to take photos in the same etc. ?. For instance, I did actually try to send some photos from the Primrose Cemetery to eGGSA, but the email address is not valid, and the second I used, I heard nothing. You need a forum like Rootsweb where things can be posted and discussed etc. Let us get it moving by having a place or space to discuss the topic. “Right Chaps.... We require the whole of the Carolina Cemetery to be photographed, who can help ?”. The Primrose Cemetery etc., what others ?. And then one could chirp the other, “OK Dude, we done this and done that, but we need this and we need that !”. Or... OK OK OK, I can’t help there, but I can help with this cemetery over there.... And then.... One sends the photos, you can also post to send the other or precise info related to a grave, or just update a single date and so on.... And then what about adding Zims too ?. Most persons trekking from RSA went to Rhodesia etc. The Bulawayo Athlone Cemetery is an absolute must have, as well as other cemeteries in Zims etc. You need a forum and place to post, I mean, the last time I went back to Primrose Cemetery, a tree had fallen over an excellent grave, now smashed. Maybe on this forum, you would also automatically keep updated post details etc. and persons to post to etc. Also eGGSA should maybe orchestrate all this since it is your project so to speak. Others will assist and post etc. And for instance, on such a forum, one could say, well we have these sections of the graveyard, but we haven’t touched the memorial walls here and there etc. And someone will chirp back, but did you know there was like a whole lot of memorials behind such a wall ?, and so on. And you would reply “Nooit ek se !!!”. That is the idea, what happens next.... B.S. ===============================

Hello: === http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/south-africa-immigrants-british/2012-04/1333271646 I did find a family of Findlays in New Deer in Aberdeenshire in the 1871 and 1881 census with sons Alexander and Andrew. Alexander b 11/04/1867 and d 1943 Carolina. Andrew born 27/06/1869 and d 20/02/1926 Brakpan. Is this your family?. === Firstly, an excellent post, it seems correctly identified both of these 2 Findlay brothers, place, and dates of birth !!!. There is ONLY ONE PROBLEM here. All the dates and info is correct, except the DEATH DATE for Alexander, [d 1943 Carolina] !!!. This has been added, and is not part of the census look up as such. It has been taken that he is the same AlexF who d:1943 Carolina, and that info added there. Let us just read the same post without and additional info attached to AlexF: === I did find a family of Findlays in New Deer in Aberdeenshire in the 1871 and 1881 census with sons Alexander and Andrew. Alexander b 11/04/1867. Andrew born 27/06/1869 and d 20/02/1926 Brakpan. Is this your family?. === And to Marcella: The answer is .... .... .... feel the pressure .... YES YES YES !!!. OK, you are still in the AndrewF1869 tree with one AlexF1867. That is what the records says, we can not change it. NOTE: AlexF1867 !!!. I currently know nothing further of him !!!. === Then we turn to one Alexander Findlay (46yrs) m:11-01-1918 Matilda Edith Young (27yrs) at Paulpietersburg. Taking the record to be correct: AlexF1871 I will assume he would be turning 47yrs old that year 1918, so he is either born 1871 or 1872. (96% chance to be 1871 !!!). To keep it simple I will call him AlexF1871. If the record is correct, I can't change the fact. [Aberdeen Evening Express Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 24 Aug 1914: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS. London August, 1914, John, son Mr William Graham, 25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, to Alice M. Findlay, daughter Alexander Findlay, Carolina, Transvaal, South Africa]: This is the dg of AlexF1871 !!!. === Bev: James Findlay b:17-02-1872: [On the gravestone, it is clearly Braemar as in the village of Braemar]: Headstone says: [BRAEMAR, SCOTLAND]. I need to point out here that I was more wanting to point out that this other AlexF1871, since I am trying focus on them as such, I am seeing this AlexF1871's dg m. to GRAHAM lineage in [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, Scotland]. If neither AlexF1871 or AlexF1867 are in your tree, then this does not apply to you. Your James Findlay is of [Braemar, Scotland]. The crossing of trees is directed on these 2 AlexF's.... One question Bev: Do you connect to Marcella's tree ?. === I have just got some new info as I type, please bear with me, because I am still missing something here.... B.S. ==========================

Braemar is the locale for the famous Highland Games gathering, so there are plenty of places named after it: the street in Aberdeen being, no doubt, one of them, but they are found wherever homesick Scots were to be found in colonial days. It is indeed some distance (by scots standards!) from Aberdeen, and if you Google it you'll see a nice picture of Her Majesty among the great and the good who attend the Games. Andrew Rodger [email protected] On 12/02/2014, at 2:57 PM, Bart Simon wrote: > Hello: > > I am taking liberty to post this on list, for good purpose, it might help to separate 2 trees and 2 persons being joined together. Whilst at the Primrose Cemetery doing a look at a previous surname etc., I noted whatever FINDLAY surname I came across there. I feel it is necessary to place this post on list.... There are, for this review, 2 “Braemar”, one is a road name in Aberdeen (Braemar Place), the other a a town well to the west of Aberdeen, 2 very separate places. > > There was one [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 d:14-12-1940 of Braemar, Scotland, bur:Primrose Cemetery], [See eGGSA], this would be, I little doubt, would be about or close to [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, Scotland], “Braemar” is “Braemar Place”, a road it seems. This James Findlay m. [Margaret Kemp Govenlock b":31-12-1877 Glasgow, d:19-04-1961 Joburg area bur:Primrose Cemetery], and they had a son: [James Govenlock Findlay b:03-07-1902 Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 Tanganyika, East Africa, bur:Primrose Cemetery] and he m:1929 [Olive Knipe b:Abt.1906], buried together in same grave. > > [Aberdeen Journal Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 16 Oct 1913: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS. Births. FINDLAY. —At Malvern, Johannesburg, South Africa, the 22nd September, to (Mr.) and Mrs James Findlay, daughter (nee Margaret Govenlock).]. > > AND THEN SOME: > > [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] of Carolina, Transvaal, d:1943 aged 46yrs: [1918-46=1871]: so he would be b:1870-1 or so. He might be the same person who lived in Joburg, the A. Findlay “Blacksmith” as mentioned in a recent post. He is also mentioned as a “Blacksmith” on his DC etc. He m:11-01-1918 Matilda Edith Young at Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa. > > !!! THIS !!! [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] had a dg [Alice M. Findlay], mother currently unknown, and then to the Aberdeen newspapers: > > [Aberdeen Evening Express Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 24 Aug 1914: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS. London August, 1914, John, son Mr William Graham, 25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, to Alice M. Findlay, daughter Alexander Findlay, Carolina, Transvaal, South Africa]. > > [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen]: I can only assume at this point in time, that this is the “BRAEMAR” in question and same place ?. > > *** *** The [Andrew Findlay (1869-1926)] is given to have a brother [Alexander Findlay b:1867], if correct, it is therefore impossible for these 2 Alexander Findlays to be the same person by any means. One AlexF b:1870/1 the other b:1867 !!!. > > NOTES: > > [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] m:11-01-1918 at [Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa] to [Matilda Edith Young], he was aged 46yrs and she 27yrs. It seems ‘more than likely’ this AlexF here would be turning 47yrs old in 1918, which means he is b:1871, the year before [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 Braemar Place, Aberdeen] ???. > > At this point in time, it seems this [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] and the [James Findlay m. Margaret Kemp Govenlock] are probably brothers.... > > [Braemar Place]: “Braemar” is a road name in the city of Aberdeen.... > > It is FATAL to make 2 separate persons the same person, you join 2 trees together, and it stops right there, and never makes any sense.... It never happened in real life.... .... .... > > But, there is something truly amazing about Brakpan and surrounding families, in the years say roughly 1925-30 or so, and I noticed this in the cemetery there, people just died during this time frame !!!. This research has also opened my eyes to see just how many Scotties came out to this country too. It was a lot. > > The other item very worthy to mention, is that messages (“By cable”) were sent back to say Aberdeen newspapers etc., from South Africa, for articles to be printed in the newspapers there etc. There is a LOT to be gained here. People would also go back to have children too, often a last time with parents, etc. > > B.S. > ========================== > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi! I posted the original post as I was on the trail of Olive KNIPE who married James Govenlock FINDLAY. On the gravestone, it is clearly Braemar as in the village of Braemar. Pure coincidence that there is another FINDLAY involved who lived in a Braemar Road, Aberdeen. So I would think that James FINDLAY was born in Braemar and his children were born in Aberdeen. I am getting the DC of both father and son so hopefully that will clarify the father's birthplace. Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bart Simon Sent: 12 February 2014 05:57 AM To: RW RSA Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] ALEXANDER FINDLAY OF CAROLINA TRANSVAAL SOUTH AFRICA [!!!] Hello: I am taking liberty to post this on list, for good purpose, it might help to separate 2 trees and 2 persons being joined together. Whilst at the Primrose Cemetery doing a look at a previous surname etc., I noted whatever FINDLAY surname I came across there. I feel it is necessary to place this post on list.... There are, for this review, 2 “Braemar”, one is a road name in Aberdeen (Braemar Place), the other a a town well to the west of Aberdeen, 2 very separate places. There was one [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 d:14-12-1940 of Braemar, Scotland, bur:Primrose Cemetery], [See eGGSA], this would be, I little doubt, would be about or close to [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, Scotland], “Braemar” is “Braemar Place”, a road it seems. This James Findlay m. [Margaret Kemp Govenlock b":31-12-1877 Glasgow, d:19-04-1961 Joburg area bur:Primrose Cemetery], and they had a son: [James Govenlock Findlay b:03-07-1902 Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 Tanganyika, East Africa, bur:Primrose Cemetery] and he m:1929 [Olive Knipe b:Abt.1906], buried together in same grave. [Aberdeen Journal Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 16 Oct 1913: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS. Births. FINDLAY. —At Malvern, Johannesburg, South Africa, the 22nd September, to (Mr.) and Mrs James Findlay, daughter (nee Margaret Govenlock).]. AND THEN SOME: [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] of Carolina, Transvaal, d:1943 aged 46yrs: [1918-46=1871]: so he would be b:1870-1 or so. He might be the same person who lived in Joburg, the A. Findlay “Blacksmith” as mentioned in a recent post. He is also mentioned as a “Blacksmith” on his DC etc. He m:11-01-1918 Matilda Edith Young at Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa. !!! THIS !!! [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] had a dg [Alice M. Findlay], mother currently unknown, and then to the Aberdeen newspapers: [Aberdeen Evening Express Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 24 Aug 1914: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS. London August, 1914, John, son Mr William Graham, 25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, to Alice M. Findlay, daughter Alexander Findlay, Carolina, Transvaal, South Africa]. [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen]: I can only assume at this point in time, that this is the “BRAEMAR” in question and same place ?. *** *** The [Andrew Findlay (1869-1926)] is given to have a brother [Alexander Findlay b:1867], if correct, it is therefore impossible for these 2 Alexander Findlays to be the same person by any means. One AlexF b:1870/1 the other b:1867 !!!. NOTES: [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] m:11-01-1918 at [Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa] to [Matilda Edith Young], he was aged 46yrs and she 27yrs. It seems ‘more than likely’ this AlexF here would be turning 47yrs old in 1918, which means he is b:1871, the year before [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 Braemar Place, Aberdeen] ???. At this point in time, it seems this [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] and the [James Findlay m. Margaret Kemp Govenlock] are probably brothers.... [Braemar Place]: “Braemar” is a road name in the city of Aberdeen.... It is FATAL to make 2 separate persons the same person, you join 2 trees together, and it stops right there, and never makes any sense.... It never happened in real life.... .... .... But, there is something truly amazing about Brakpan and surrounding families, in the years say roughly 1925-30 or so, and I noticed this in the cemetery there, people just died during this time frame !!!. This research has also opened my eyes to see just how many Scotties came out to this country too. It was a lot. The other item very worthy to mention, is that messages (“By cable”) were sent back to say Aberdeen newspapers etc., from South Africa, for articles to be printed in the newspapers there etc. There is a LOT to be gained here. People would also go back to have children too, often a last time with parents, etc. B.S. ========================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12422-22212-39?cc=1463648&wc=11038939 This is the bapt. entry (And gives her birth date!!!) for [Charlotte Matilda Stow] !!!. I NEED to know the “ABODE !!!. Something like “Grape Vale, Kanijas (?)“ ???. This is under “Grahamstown” !!!. Two entries above is “Paterson” !!!. So, where exactly did this m. take place, and more so, can anyone tell me what the “ABODE” is ???. B.S. [Kavingha – Havingha – ?.].

Hello: I am taking liberty to post this on list, for good purpose, it might help to separate 2 trees and 2 persons being joined together. Whilst at the Primrose Cemetery doing a look at a previous surname etc., I noted whatever FINDLAY surname I came across there. I feel it is necessary to place this post on list.... There are, for this review, 2 “Braemar”, one is a road name in Aberdeen (Braemar Place), the other a a town well to the west of Aberdeen, 2 very separate places. There was one [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 d:14-12-1940 of Braemar, Scotland, bur:Primrose Cemetery], [See eGGSA], this would be, I little doubt, would be about or close to [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, Scotland], “Braemar” is “Braemar Place”, a road it seems. This James Findlay m. [Margaret Kemp Govenlock b":31-12-1877 Glasgow, d:19-04-1961 Joburg area bur:Primrose Cemetery], and they had a son: [James Govenlock Findlay b:03-07-1902 Aberdeen Scotland, d:14-03-1940 Tanganyika, East Africa, bur:Primrose Cemetery] and he m:1929 [Olive Knipe b:Abt.1906], buried together in same grave. [Aberdeen Journal Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 16 Oct 1913: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS. Births. FINDLAY. —At Malvern, Johannesburg, South Africa, the 22nd September, to (Mr.) and Mrs James Findlay, daughter (nee Margaret Govenlock).]. AND THEN SOME: [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] of Carolina, Transvaal, d:1943 aged 46yrs: [1918-46=1871]: so he would be b:1870-1 or so. He might be the same person who lived in Joburg, the A. Findlay “Blacksmith” as mentioned in a recent post. He is also mentioned as a “Blacksmith” on his DC etc. He m:11-01-1918 Matilda Edith Young at Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa. !!! THIS !!! [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith” (1870/1-1943)] had a dg [Alice M. Findlay], mother currently unknown, and then to the Aberdeen newspapers: [Aberdeen Evening Express Aberdeenshire, Scotland: 24 Aug 1914: BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS. London August, 1914, John, son Mr William Graham, 25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen, to Alice M. Findlay, daughter Alexander Findlay, Carolina, Transvaal, South Africa]. [25 Braemar Place, Aberdeen]: I can only assume at this point in time, that this is the “BRAEMAR” in question and same place ?. *** *** The [Andrew Findlay (1869-1926)] is given to have a brother [Alexander Findlay b:1867], if correct, it is therefore impossible for these 2 Alexander Findlays to be the same person by any means. One AlexF b:1870/1 the other b:1867 !!!. NOTES: [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] m:11-01-1918 at [Paulpietersburg, Natal, South Africa] to [Matilda Edith Young], he was aged 46yrs and she 27yrs. It seems ‘more than likely’ this AlexF here would be turning 47yrs old in 1918, which means he is b:1871, the year before [James Findlay b:17-02-1872 Braemar Place, Aberdeen] ???. At this point in time, it seems this [Alexander Findlay “Blacksmith”] and the [James Findlay m. Margaret Kemp Govenlock] are probably brothers.... [Braemar Place]: “Braemar” is a road name in the city of Aberdeen.... It is FATAL to make 2 separate persons the same person, you join 2 trees together, and it stops right there, and never makes any sense.... It never happened in real life.... .... .... But, there is something truly amazing about Brakpan and surrounding families, in the years say roughly 1925-30 or so, and I noticed this in the cemetery there, people just died during this time frame !!!. This research has also opened my eyes to see just how many Scotties came out to this country too. It was a lot. The other item very worthy to mention, is that messages (“By cable”) were sent back to say Aberdeen newspapers etc., from South Africa, for articles to be printed in the newspapers there etc. There is a LOT to be gained here. People would also go back to have children too, often a last time with parents, etc. B.S. ==========================

Hi Bart, It is Grape Vale, Kareiga Regards, Ellen Stanton can anyone tell me what the "ABODE" is ???. B.S. [Kavingha - Havingha - ?.].

Bear in mind that the Boer War was on 1899-1901 - many churches had limited or no operations in that time and it is possible that St Mary the Less in Jeppestown was one of those churches. It would be worth your while to have a look at the St Mary Anglican Church in Johannesburg - there are marriages recorded in that church during that time frame. Many of the Anglican (Church of the Province) Registers are online on the familysearch site. Just for your guidance Christchurch Anglican in Fordsburg had a gap in the marriages (same register) from 26 Jul 1899 to 1 Sep 1902 - during that time no marriages were performed. No baptisms were performed there between 1 Oct 1899 - 18 May 1902 -----Original Message----- From: BAZDER [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 February 2014 10:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? I am trying to find out where and when my GGgrandfather married,..if he ever made an honest woman of my GGgrandmother with whom he had already had seven children with.by the time his first wife passed away in 1882...went on to have a further seven ...poor woman!!! They did not marry in his hometown where he was quite a prominent figure so I suppose that would account for it...so far ...I have come up with nothing at all!!! A lady from the Anglican church in Prince Albert told me I might find it in the University of Jo`Burg so possibly it is the Witwatersrand.. How do I go about getting someone to look at the records for me etc?? Would be wonderful if I came up with something ...at last.!!! Tomi ,we did correspond a while back...we are connected by the STRETCH`s. Take care Cate On 9 February 2014 20:51, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library > of the University of the Witwatersrand. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> > To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > > > > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 > > are and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. > > > > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: > > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these > > online familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and > > then > [Marriages > > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. > > This is the range I need to view. B.S. > > ========================= > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 10 Feb 2014 at 8:17, BAZDER wrote: > Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? Many, but not all, Angican church records are housed at the library of the University of the Witwatersrand, William Cullen Library. The baptism, marriage and burial records have been filmed by the LDS, but I don't know if they have been indexed yet. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected]

On 10 Feb 2014 at 13:51, Nolene Lossau wrote: > Hi Wendy > > I have done some research on this METZ family - Hilda Matilda METZ (born > SELL) died 29 April 1963 in La Rochelle, Johannesburg (44 Sixth Street). > > Do you know when/where her husband Hugo Carl Gustave METZ died? > Do you have any details on Hilda's parents? > I have 6 children on record for Hugo and Hilda (they married 19 Aug 1905 in > the German Baptist Church in Johannesburg) - not sure if there were any more. I didn't see the original of this message, so I'm not sure who exactly is looking for what, but here is some of what I have for this family: Family Group Report For: Hugo Carl Gustav Metz (ID=13894) Date Prepared: 10 Feb 2014 NAME: METZ, Hugo Carl Gustav, Born 31 Aug 1880 in Germany, Died ???; FATHER: METZ, Friedich Gustav Carl; MOTHER: NIESEWAND, Maria Catharina Emilie MARRIED, to SELL, Hilda Matilda, Born Mar 1887 in Berlin, Cape Colony, Died 29 Apr 1963 in Johannesburg, TVL, RSA at age 76; FATHER: SELL, William Christian Carl, Born ??? 1854, Died ???; MOTHER: DEVANTIER, Lydia, Born Feb 1859, Died 8 Jun 1916 at age 57 CHILDREN: 1. F METZ, Alma Stella 2. M METZ, William Frederick 3. M METZ, Carl Henry 4. M METZ, Victor Clemence, born 18 Sep 1908, died 20 May 1980; Married 20 Jun 1931 to MEYER, Elsa Tyra; 3 children 5. F METZ, Linda Vera, born ??? 1912, died ???; Married 7 Jan 1936 to WATT, James Mills; 3 children 6. F METZ, Nellie Gertie, born 24 May 1916; Married to BRODIE, Eric Reginald Godfrey; 5 children -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected]

Hi Wendy I have done some research on this METZ family - Hilda Matilda METZ (born SELL) died 29 April 1963 in La Rochelle, Johannesburg (44 Sixth Street). Do you know when/where her husband Hugo Carl Gustave METZ died? Do you have any details on Hilda's parents? I have 6 children on record for Hugo and Hilda (they married 19 Aug 1905 in the German Baptist Church in Johannesburg) - not sure if there were any more. Regards Nolene -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Schonfeldt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 06 February 2014 11:14 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [ZA-IB] Death date required Johannesburg- Hilda Matilda Metz Hi Is it at all possible to get an exact death date for my Gran - I am in the UK at the moment and not sure when I will be back in Johannesburg. *DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 3648/63 PART 1 DESCRIPTION METZ, HILDA MATILDA. STARTING 19630000 ENDING 19630000 REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE HUGO METZ. Kind regardsWendy*

Hi all I have also been unable to find the records for St Mary's the Less in Jeppestown on the DVD's at Wits or on FamilySearch. It is possible according to the inventory that there is a physical register at Wits for 1903 and hopefully I will be able to photograph it sometime. Links that may help: According to information on the Historical Papers website this is the information with regard to the physical Anglican Records held at WITS: Collection Index:CPSA Diocese of Johannesburg 1885-1987 Collection Name:CPSA Diocese of Johannesburg Records 1802 (1885-1987)-1987. Photos:C.P.S.A. DIOCESE OF JOHANNESBURG: Inventory AB2013 http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/index.php?inventory/U/collections&c=AB2013/I/7323 "This Index provides a listing of the digitised Registers of the Anglican Church in Southern Africa, which are now available on DVDs and on the website of the Family History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They cover the years 1850-2004 and include baptism, marriage and burial records." AB3208 REGISTERS OF THE ANGLICAN CHURCH OF SOUTHERN AFRICA, 1850-2004 http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/index.php?inventory/U/collections&c=AB3208/I/7673 Please note that the Anglican Church in South Africa itself was originally organised in four provinces, namely the Diocese of the Cape of Good Hope, Diocese of Natal, Diocese of the Orange Free State and the Diocese of Transvaal. These provinces were later divided into more Dioceses. The records on the website of the Family History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been arranged according to the original four Provinces. The records on the DVDs are arranged as listed. A PDF book on ALL Anglican Related Records: http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/docs/CPSAGuide.pdf Regards Shirley On 10 February 2014 11:56, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, Cate, as I understand all the Anglican records are at Wits. University > Libarary (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). > I think you will need to get a private researcher to do the work for you. > Yes, now I remember, we have done STRETCH research together in the past. > Best wishes, > Tombi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BAZDER" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > > >> Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? >> I am trying to find out where and when my GGgrandfather married,..if he >> ever made an honest woman of my GGgrandmother with whom he had already had >> seven children with.by the time his first wife passed away in 1882...went >> on to have a further seven ...poor woman!!! >> They did not marry in his hometown where he was quite a prominent figure >> so >> I suppose that would account for it...so far ...I have come up with >> nothing >> at all!!! >> A lady from the Anglican church in Prince Albert told me I might find it >> in >> the University of Jo`Burg so possibly it is the Witwatersrand.. >> How do I go about getting someone to look at the records for me etc?? >> >> Would be wonderful if I came up with something ...at last.!!! >> >> Tomi ,we did correspond a while back...we are connected by the STRETCH`s. >> >> Take care >> Cate >> >> >> On 9 February 2014 20:51, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library of >>> the University of the Witwatersrand. >>> Best wishes, >>> Tombi Peck >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> >>> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] >>> >>> >>> > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 >>> > are >>> > and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. B.S. >>> > >>> > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: >>> > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these online >>> > familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then >>> [Marriages >>> > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. This >>> > is >>> > the range I need to view. B.S. >>> > ========================= >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those 3 churhes were called "sister" churched, but they differed from each other. I contacted an old school friend who is now "skriba" of a Dutch Reformed church. Forwarded your question to her. Maybe she can help us. Kind Regards Magda On Feb 10, 2014 12:26 PM, "Richard Ball" < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello Tombi, > > you wrote: > > TP> (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). > > I don't think the above statement is quite correct. > > The English term, Dutch Reformed Church, is too broad. > > As I understand it the records of the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk > (NGK) are in the NGK Archives in Stellenbosch. > > There are, I believe, at least 2 other Dutch Reformed Churches, the > Nederduitsch Hervormde Kerk (NHK), and Gereformeerde Kerke (GK). > > Their records are entirely separate from one another. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed_Church_in_South_Africa > > I believe the Anglican church records for Natal are in the Anglican > archives in Pietermaritzburg - don't know whether Wits has copies. > > All the best, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Up to 09/02/2014, at 6:39 PM, BAZDER and various others raised this question. This is a completely separate one from what happens to the various copies or what have you of the actual certificate of marriage, which is an administrative matter, varying from one jurisdiction to another, rather than legal question. And for the legal aspect, the answer is Yes. A special licence is only required if no banns have been called, and is quite common if the parties are non-members. The wording of the banns, called on three successive Sundays preceding the wedding, is "If anyone know of any just cause or impediment why these two persons may not lawfully be joined in Holy Matrimony, speak now or ever hold your peace"; the priest or minister may feel he cannot in conscience ask this if nobody in the Church knows anything about the parties, and of course in that event the banns would serve no useful purpose anyway: for example, either party could be already married or not legally divorced, or still a minor, or any other disqualifying circumstance might exist, but nobody would know about it. The official issuing the special licence would ask similar questions and would have to be satisfied with the answers before issuing it, which means no questions will need to be asked in the Church (though the celebrant may well state that a special lic! ense exists, so everybody present knows all is well). Andrew Rodger [email protected]

Thanks Richard! Much appreciated. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ball" <[email protected]> To: "Tombi Peck" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Anglican church records in SA > Hello Tombi, > > you wrote: > > TP> (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). > > I don't think the above statement is quite correct. > > The English term, Dutch Reformed Church, is too broad. > > As I understand it the records of the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk > (NGK) are in the NGK Archives in Stellenbosch. > > There are, I believe, at least 2 other Dutch Reformed Churches, the > Nederduitsch Hervormde Kerk (NHK), and Gereformeerde Kerke (GK). > > Their records are entirely separate from one another. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed_Church_in_South_Africa > > I believe the Anglican church records for Natal are in the Anglican > archives in Pietermaritzburg - don't know whether Wits has copies. > > All the best, > > Richard > -- > Richard Ball, > Norfolk, England > > http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, not any longer. The one I might have recommended has moved away. Sorry! Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "BAZDER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] > Can you recommend a researcher. > Best Wishes > Cate > > > On 10 February 2014 09:56, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, Cate, as I understand all the Anglican records are at Wits. >> University >> Libarary (same as all the DRC are at Stellenbosch). >> I think you will need to get a private researcher to do the work for you. >> Yes, now I remember, we have done STRETCH research together in the past. >> Best wishes, >> Tombi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BAZDER" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] >> >> >> > Would this be ALL Anglican records from all over South Africa???? >> > I am trying to find out where and when my GGgrandfather married,..if >> > he >> > ever made an honest woman of my GGgrandmother with whom he had already >> had >> > seven children with.by the time his first wife passed away in >> 1882...went >> > on to have a further seven ...poor woman!!! >> > They did not marry in his hometown where he was quite a prominent >> > figure >> > so >> > I suppose that would account for it...so far ...I have come up with >> > nothing >> > at all!!! >> > A lady from the Anglican church in Prince Albert told me I might find >> > it >> > in >> > the University of Jo`Burg so possibly it is the Witwatersrand.. >> > How do I go about getting someone to look at the records for me etc?? >> > >> > Would be wonderful if I came up with something ...at last.!!! >> > >> > Tomi ,we did correspond a while back...we are connected by the >> > STRETCH`s. >> > >> > Take care >> > Cate >> > >> > >> > On 9 February 2014 20:51, Tombi Peck <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> As far as I've heard Bart the Anglican Records are kept at the Library >> of >> >> the University of the Witwatersrand. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Tombi Peck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> >> >> To: "RW RSA" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!] >> >> >> >> >> >> > How should I get to know where these marriages records for 1900-1905 >> >> > are >> >> > and to go through the 1901/2 years even manually if necessary ?. >> >> > B.S. >> >> > >> >> > Subject: St. Mary the Less Anglican Marriages [!!!]: >> >> > Hello: [Johannesburg, Jeppestown, St Mary the Less]: For these >> >> > online >> >> > familysearch.org images, it has [Marriages 1894-1899] and then >> >> [Marriages >> >> > 1906-1913]. Any idea what happened to the marriages 1900-1905 ?. >> >> > This >> >> > is >> >> > the range I need to view. B.S. >> >> > ========================= >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> > without >> >> the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message