Hi Paddy, I would love a copy of the map. Thanks so much, my email: [email protected] Sent from my Cream Puff > On Feb 19, 2014, at 2:51 AM, Pat Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by > Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back > showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still > copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use and > not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone > would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it > off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. > BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The > History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also > published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those with > a connection to the mining industry. > > Cheers, > > Paddy > > >> On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 >> Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which >> is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of >> Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in >> Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had >> been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 >> edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These >> mines were listed as follows: >> >> Aurora >> Chimes >> Crown >> Croesus >> City & Suburban >> Durban Roodepoort >> Henry Nourse >> Jubilee >> Langlaagte >> May Consolidated >> Mint >> New Primrose >> New Grahamstown >> Royal >> Simmer and Jack >> Steyn Estate >> Wemmer >> Worcester >> Wolhuter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a wonderful man Eric Rosenthal was!!! He was utterly marvellous on quiz programmes on the radio when I was a teenager. He was a very popular professor at Wits. University ....my ex husband was one of his students...he spoke very highly of the man! One of my aunts had a 'close encounter' with him.... She'd taken some shorthand for a very demanding visiting company 'bigwig' from London boss but couldn't make sense of one word she'd written. She didn't want to have to say she couldn't read her own shorthand so she telephoned him (his number was in the telephone directory as most were in those days). She read the sentence to him and he gave her the correct answer to her great relief! Some years later I was doing a Surf promotion in his neighbourhood (my mum was visiting and I took the opportunity to earn a little money while she was there to look after my babies.) I noticed him pushing the trolley for his wife...when they came passed me I did my 'promotional bit and then mentioned the incident to him....he squinched up his eyes a little, looked at the ceiling and said "Your aunt's name is Sheila Basden, and the word she couldn't read was sabbatical...what a phenomenal memory! I found that completely incredible; I've remembered him with fondness ever since! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Brown" <[email protected]> To: "Genealogy - South Africa" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > Hi Bev, > There are actually a number of books covering this period, most them out > of print. I have two, the one mentioned in my other post and another > called > "Gold! Gold! Gold! The Johannesburg Gold Rush" by Eric Rosenthal and > published in 1970. As Johannesburg only exists because of the mining, > virtually any book on the history of Johannesburg is going to include a > fair chunk on the mining history. > > Cheers, > > Paddy > > > On 19 February 2014 12:33, Bev <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What a gem this book would be to people who are researching this period. >> When I went through the info that I got this morning, I realised that >> from >> my research [mainly death cert] there were other mines and also wondered >> what mine Gold Reef City original name was. The Primrose mine also rang a >> bell! >> Maybe a good indication for some genealogist to actually do a book! >> Thanks Noelene! >> Bev >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nolene Lossau >> Sent: 19 February 2014 11:42 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >> >> I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star >> 100 >> Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 >> which >> is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of >> Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in >> Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold >> had >> been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 >> edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. >> These >> mines were listed as follows: >> >> Aurora >> Chimes >> Crown >> Croesus >> City & Suburban >> Durban Roodepoort >> Henry Nourse >> Jubilee >> Langlaagte >> May Consolidated >> Mint >> New Primrose >> New Grahamstown >> Royal >> Simmer and Jack >> Steyn Estate >> Wemmer >> Worcester >> Wolhuter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >> >> Dennis, >> >> Yes, but: >> >> What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or >> the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? >> >> I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student >> at >> Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that >> angles >> at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat >> and >> humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. >> >> On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories >> about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it >> seems to me. >> >> Keith >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST >> From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >> >> Hallo All >> >> Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond >> and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? >> >> Any offers ? >> >> >> Kind regards. >> >> >> >> Dennis Pretorius >> Krugersdorp South Africa >> Tel - 011-762-8911 >> Cel - 083-679-8541 >> Fax - 086-609-8541 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers >> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: >> >> > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining >> > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? >> > >> >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> >> on the >> > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? >> > >> > Thank you! Bev >> >> >> Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my >> dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines >> was >> Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD >> mines >> of the 1900s if that helps? >> >> I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad >> and >> 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of >> Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how >> many >> shafts took miners up and down). >> Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and >> later >> those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. >> Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that >> area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time >> Western Reefs was started. >> The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein >> town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, >> these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining >> operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original >> mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney >> was >> never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground >> railways >> connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete >> towns >> up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, >> and at several levels.) >> >> As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its >> workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to >> the >> job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental >> official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, >> you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at >> retirement elsewhere. >> Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each >> tribal >> custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment >> ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten >> who >> spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken >> on >> one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did >> 2 >> weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and >> first >> aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or >> more. >> >> >> (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine >> system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing >> to >> use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with >> forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave >> that >> subject....) >> >> Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines >> named: >> Freddies >> Free State Geduld >> President Brand >> Saaiplaas >> President Steyn >> Western Holdings >> Joel >> >> >> And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: >> Western Deep Levels (East Levels) >> Western Deep Levels (Levels West) >> Western Deep Levels (Levels South) >> Elandsrand >> >> >> Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less >> about. >> Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. >> East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. >> East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more >> east, >> Evander mine. >> >> Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the >> Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines >> followed >> from the 1886 gold rush. >> >> >> DIAMOND MINES >> >> They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley >> developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" >> In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each >> owned their little claim area. >> The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging >> at >> Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year >> competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show >> people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... >> >> Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. >> >> >> OTHER MINES >> >> SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines >> (low >> sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese >> zirconium >> rutile and the list goes on. >> Do you know what kind of mining names you need? >> I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. >> >> Namaste, >> Irene >> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. >> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >> "Man >> who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These mines were listed as follows: Aurora Chimes Crown Croesus City & Suburban Durban Roodepoort Henry Nourse Jubilee Langlaagte May Consolidated Mint New Primrose New Grahamstown Royal Simmer and Jack Steyn Estate Wemmer Worcester Wolhuter -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Watching this thread with interest. Where would State Mines Springs fit into the list? My grandmother, Jane Pemberton, having been widowed in 1927, ran the single quarters boarding house from (approximately) 1928 until the late 1930's early 1940's. Lyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 19 February 2014 10:33 To: [email protected] Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 54 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Nolene Lossau) 2. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Bev) 3. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Bev) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:42:15 +0200 From: "Nolene Lossau" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These mines were listed as follows: Aurora Chimes Crown Croesus City & Suburban Durban Roodepoort Henry Nourse Jubilee Langlaagte May Consolidated Mint New Primrose New Grahamstown Royal Simmer and Jack Steyn Estate Wemmer Worcester Wolhuter -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:25:10 +0200 From: "Bev" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that you have a very valid point. I am working in the 1892-1920 period when things were still very " new", and I want to know where things actually were. >From Wiki- I got the following figures for JHB 1886 pop ? 1887 pop- 3000 1896 pop -100000 1904 pop -155642 My initial enthusiasm has been somewhat dampened and the only mine that the position is given is Robinson Deep- which was just off Eloff St. Langlaagte, as in the mine, will obviously be where Langlaagte is now. I know where Simmer and Jack is/was. Considering the huge economic impact these early settlers had, there is very little info on how/where they lived. Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:33:11 +0200 From: "Bev" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What a gem this book would be to people who are researching this period. When I went through the info that I got this morning, I realised that from my research [mainly death cert] there were other mines and also wondered what mine Gold Reef City original name was. The Primrose mine also rang a bell! Maybe a good indication for some genealogist to actually do a book! Thanks Noelene! Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nolene Lossau Sent: 19 February 2014 11:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These mines were listed as follows: Aurora Chimes Crown Croesus City & Suburban Durban Roodepoort Henry Nourse Jubilee Langlaagte May Consolidated Mint New Primrose New Grahamstown Royal Simmer and Jack Steyn Estate Wemmer Worcester Wolhuter -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. 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Well done, Nolene, I, too, have that book but didn't think to look in it. Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nolene Lossau" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 > Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which > is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of > Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in > Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had > been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 > edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These > mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Dennis, > > Yes, but: > > What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or > the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? > > I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student > at > Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that > angles > at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat > and > humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. > > On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories > about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it > seems to me. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST > From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Hallo All > > Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond > and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? > > Any offers ? > > > Kind regards. > > > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > >> Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining >> companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? >> >>> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >>> on the >> mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? >> >> Thank you! Bev > > > Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my > dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines > was > Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines > of the 1900s if that helps? > > I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and > 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of > Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many > shafts took miners up and down). > Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later > those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. > Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that > area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time > Western Reefs was started. > The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein > town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, > these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining > operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original > mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney > was > never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways > connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns > up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, > and at several levels.) > > As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its > workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to > the > job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental > official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, > you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at > retirement elsewhere. > Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each > tribal > custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment > ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who > spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken > on > one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 > weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and > first > aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or > more. > > > (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine > system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing > to > use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with > forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that > subject....) > > Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines > named: > Freddies > Free State Geduld > President Brand > Saaiplaas > President Steyn > Western Holdings > Joel > > > And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: > Western Deep Levels (East Levels) > Western Deep Levels (Levels West) > Western Deep Levels (Levels South) > Elandsrand > > > Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less > about. > Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. > East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. > East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more > east, > Evander mine. > > Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the > Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines > followed > from the 1886 gold rush. > > > DIAMOND MINES > > They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley > developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" > In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each > owned their little claim area. > The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at > Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year > competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show > people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... > > Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. > > > OTHER MINES > > SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines > (low > sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese > zirconium > rutile and the list goes on. > Do you know what kind of mining names you need? > I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. > > Namaste, > Irene > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > "Man > who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all! With all the kind responses, I could probably do that! Thank you to everyone- now we just have to place them! For me it is very relevant as I do not know JHB very well at all- and very little about the mining- my mom immigrated to Durban in the late 1930's and although the TVL family used to come down on holiday- we very rarely went up to see them [for obvious reasons!] I lived in Sandton for 10 years and only went into JHB proper twice!!!! Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Pretorius Sent: 18 February 2014 09:06 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tombi you and I must have been quite close. My Dad was both at Spaarwater then Sub-Nigel and I began work at 16 at Sub-Nigel in 1940. An Uncle worked at Geduld and I remember Grootvlei and Marievale . And Dunnottar Hotel where Doug an I spent our night on honeymoon!. Then I got a sister in law whose father was Manager at Crown Mines where we sometimes played tennis and went to wonderful balls. All dressed up too. Lovely memories. Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tombi Peck" <[email protected]> > My Dad was on East Geduld Mine in the 1940s the went back to the Transvaal > to Grootvlei (both in Springs). My great aunt's husband worked on > Marievale > Mine at Nigel. . >> Crown Mines

Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.mytrees.com/newanc/Africa/Married-1846/Pr/Proudfoot-family/Thomas-Proudfoot-kr000110-8024.html With regards the b. date of your Thomas Gillespie Proudfoot given as b:???? 1846, and the given age at death to be 42yrs: Where do you get the [42yrs] from ?. B.S. =====================================

Thank you very much for all the info. I really appreciate it. Kind Regards Magda On Feb 18, 2014 10:14 PM, "Bart Simon" <[email protected]> wrote: > === > I can forward the photo if one wants it. I suspect this is the same persons > buried in the Primrose Cemetery ?. From double grave headstone: > > WILLEM PETRUS PROUDFOOT 1918-1973 > > ISABELLA SUSANNA PROUDFOOT *18.7.1920 +15.6.1985 > > [Her maiden name is probably HORN ?]. > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCETPD > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM01 > REFERENCE 5481/1972 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. BELLIE SUSANNA PROUDFOOT VERSUS WILLEM > PETRUS PROUDFOOT. > STARTING 1972 > ENDING 1972 > === > http://www.ancestor.co.za/search_beta.asp > Type in PROUDFOOT. See both pages !!!. > > The first date for one Thomas Proudfoot is 1872. > === > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE SS > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE R12402/97 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION WEESHEER, PRETORIA. LEGALISATIE EEN DOCUMENT T PROUDFOOT. > STARTING 18970825 > ENDING 18970825 > === > There is a Thomas Proudfoot whose wife is Jessie. He d:1872. > > > -----Original Message----- > >>> His grandfather was Thomas Poudfoot, born circa 1868. He married Anna > >>> Alida Cecilia Van Der Walt on Oct 28 1889 in Fauresmith, Free State, > >>> South Africa. He resided in Jagersfontein. He was a prisoner of war > >>> during the Anglo Boer War. One of the ancestors was a saddle maker in > >>> Swellendam. > > NAME: WATSON, Theresa Clara, Born ??? 1839? in England, Died 17 Jun 1931 in > Ealing, London at age 92; FATHER: WATSON, John Ross Malcolm, Born ??? 1826, > Died ???; MOTHER: WEAVER, Helena Anne, Born ??? 1827, Died ??? > > MARRIED Jan 1881, to PROUDFOOT, Thomas Gillespie, Born ??? 1846 in Port > Elizabeth, Died 5 Oct 1888 in Durban at age 42; FATHER: PROUDFOOT, Thomas > Gillespie; MOTHER: LUM, Jessie Mary; MSCE Vol 7 167/1888 (Natal Archives) > > *** The above Jessie Mary LUM is probably LUNN !!!. > === > DEPOT Genealogical Society of SA. > DESCRIPTION Proudfoot, MA - Gravestone. > STARTING 0000 > ENDING 18970223 > REMARKS Cemetery between railway lines at Langlaagte, Johannesburg, > Gauteng. > SUMMARY + Mary Ann Proudfoot. Died 23-02-1897 in Johannesburg, Gauteng. > Aged > 35 years. Wife of Thomas Proudfoot. > === > http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/library/searchGraves.pl > > Type in "PROUDFOOT" and press enter. > > T. PROUDFOOT: > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1011153 > > *** Five Proudfoots buried together: > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=50510 > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1004317 > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1993153 > === > B.S. > === > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

=== I can forward the photo if one wants it. I suspect this is the same persons buried in the Primrose Cemetery ?. From double grave headstone: WILLEM PETRUS PROUDFOOT 1918-1973 ISABELLA SUSANNA PROUDFOOT *18.7.1920 +15.6.1985 [Her maiden name is probably HORN ?]. === DEPOT TAB SOURCETPD TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM01 REFERENCE 5481/1972 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. BELLIE SUSANNA PROUDFOOT VERSUS WILLEM PETRUS PROUDFOOT. STARTING 1972 ENDING 1972 === http://www.ancestor.co.za/search_beta.asp Type in PROUDFOOT. See both pages !!!. The first date for one Thomas Proudfoot is 1872. === DEPOT TAB SOURCE SS TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE R12402/97 PART 1 DESCRIPTION WEESHEER, PRETORIA. LEGALISATIE EEN DOCUMENT T PROUDFOOT. STARTING 18970825 ENDING 18970825 === There is a Thomas Proudfoot whose wife is Jessie. He d:1872. -----Original Message----- >>> His grandfather was Thomas Poudfoot, born circa 1868. He married Anna >>> Alida Cecilia Van Der Walt on Oct 28 1889 in Fauresmith, Free State, >>> South Africa. He resided in Jagersfontein. He was a prisoner of war >>> during the Anglo Boer War. One of the ancestors was a saddle maker in >>> Swellendam. NAME: WATSON, Theresa Clara, Born ??? 1839? in England, Died 17 Jun 1931 in Ealing, London at age 92; FATHER: WATSON, John Ross Malcolm, Born ??? 1826, Died ???; MOTHER: WEAVER, Helena Anne, Born ??? 1827, Died ??? MARRIED Jan 1881, to PROUDFOOT, Thomas Gillespie, Born ??? 1846 in Port Elizabeth, Died 5 Oct 1888 in Durban at age 42; FATHER: PROUDFOOT, Thomas Gillespie; MOTHER: LUM, Jessie Mary; MSCE Vol 7 167/1888 (Natal Archives) *** The above Jessie Mary LUM is probably LUNN !!!. === DEPOT Genealogical Society of SA. DESCRIPTION Proudfoot, MA - Gravestone. STARTING 0000 ENDING 18970223 REMARKS Cemetery between railway lines at Langlaagte, Johannesburg, Gauteng. SUMMARY + Mary Ann Proudfoot. Died 23-02-1897 in Johannesburg, Gauteng. Aged 35 years. Wife of Thomas Proudfoot. === http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/library/searchGraves.pl Type in "PROUDFOOT" and press enter. T. PROUDFOOT: http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1011153 *** Five Proudfoots buried together: http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=50510 http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1004317 http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1993153 === B.S. ===

Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for all the info. I enjoy all the bits and pieces I learn on here. The mine at Marievale is in operation again. I often go bird watching there. Regards On Feb 18, 2014 6:35 PM, "Pat Frykberg" <[email protected]> wrote: > Tombi you and I must have been quite close. My Dad was both at Spaarwater > then Sub-Nigel and I began work at 16 at Sub-Nigel in 1940. An Uncle worked > at Geduld and I remember Grootvlei and Marievale . And Dunnottar Hotel > where > Doug an I spent our night on honeymoon!. Then I got a sister in law whose > father was Manager at Crown Mines where we sometimes played tennis and > went > to wonderful balls. All dressed up too. > Lovely memories. > Pat > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tombi Peck" <[email protected]t> > > My Dad was on East Geduld Mine in the 1940s the went back to the > Transvaal > > to Grootvlei (both in Springs). My great aunt's husband worked on > > Marievale > > Mine at Nigel. . > >> Crown Mines > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are so right! When my mother was young and they were on Geduld mine they had a golfcourse which was where Bobby Locke learned his craft. My mother's youngest sister Sheila BASDEN born BROWNE was his mixed-doubles partner when they were young....she also used to play golf with Garry Player's wife Vivienne. My father's sister Joyce BEATH was the runner up of the South African's woman's golf singles....unfortunately I can't remember the year! We also shared memories of our visits to Umngazi Mouth Hotel....except your holidays there were about the time I was born in Springs.....my father had just left East Geduld to join up....he was training at Carolina at the time I was born. He thought it was a hoax when he got the telegram to say I'd been born as I was 10 weeks prem!! Good to hear from you. Love, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Frykberg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > Tombi you and I must have been quite close. My Dad was both at Spaarwater > then Sub-Nigel and I began work at 16 at Sub-Nigel in 1940. An Uncle > worked > at Geduld and I remember Grootvlei and Marievale . And Dunnottar Hotel > where > Doug an I spent our night on honeymoon!. Then I got a sister in law whose > father was Manager at Crown Mines where we sometimes played tennis and > went > to wonderful balls. All dressed up too. > Lovely memories. > Pat > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tombi Peck" <[email protected]> >> My Dad was on East Geduld Mine in the 1940s the went back to the >> Transvaal >> to Grootvlei (both in Springs). My great aunt's husband worked on >> Marievale >> Mine at Nigel. . >>> Crown Mines > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I used to work for a computer company in the late 60's, early 70's. and we catered for the major mining houses. Names of mines that spring to mind re as follows - Harmony Blyvoor ERPM Durban Deep Crown Mines Western Areas Bracken Leslie Kinross Evander Hartebeesfontein Zandpan Regards joy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My grandfather was on Simmer and Jack in Germiston and then on Geduld Mine. My Dad was on East Geduld Mine in the 1940s the went back to the Transvaal to Grootvlei (both in Springs). My great aunt's husband worked on Marievale Mine at Nigel. In the early days there was also Primrose mine. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "joy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >I used to work for a computer company in the late 60's, early 70's. and we > catered for the major mining houses. > > Names of mines that spring to mind re as follows - > > Harmony > Blyvoor > ERPM > Durban Deep > Crown Mines > Western Areas > Bracken > Leslie > Kinross > Evander > Hartebeesfontein > Zandpan > > Regards > > joy > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? >From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked on the mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? Thank you! Bev

Thank you for this interesting bit of info. They seem to be an interesting family full of funny and strange happenings. There was also a relative who was an elephant hunter in Natal. Kind Regards, Magda On Feb 18, 2014 5:51 AM, "Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> wrote: > On 14 Feb 2014 at 20:29, Magda Begeman wrote: > > > I am helping a friend tracing his ancestors. We are both fairly new to > > this and would appreciate your help. His grandfather was Thomas > > Poudfoot, born circa 1868. He married Anna Alida Cecilia Van Der Walt > > on Oct 28 1889 in Fauresmith, Free State, South Africa.He resided in > > Jagersfontein. He was a prisoner of war during the Anglo Boer War. We > > would appreciate help in tracing the ancestors back to them arriving > > in South Africa. One of the ancestors was a saddle maker in > > Swellendam. > > I don't have anything that would help directly, but this may be a cousin or > something, and so could provide some indirect clues: > > Family Group Report > For: Theresa Clara Watson (ID= 1252) > Date Prepared: 18 Feb 2014 > > NAME: WATSON, Theresa Clara, Born ??? 1839? in England, Died 17 > Jun 1931 in Ealing, London at age 92; FATHER: WATSON, John > Ross Malcolm, Born ??? 1826, Died ???; MOTHER: WEAVER, Helena > Anne, Born ??? 1827, Died ??? > > MARRIED Jan 1881, to PROUDFOOT, Thomas Gillespie, Born ??? 1846 > in Port Elizabeth, Died 5 Oct 1888 in Durban at age 42; > FATHER: PROUDFOOT, Thomas Gillespie; MOTHER: LUM, Jessie Mary; > MSCE Vol 7 167/1888 (Natal Archives) > > MARRIED Apr 1860 in Winburg, Free State, to BENINGFIELD, > Frederick William, Born 13 Feb 1836 in Cape Town, Died 9 Aug > 1873 in Inhambane, Mocambique at age 37; FATHER: BENNINGFIELD, > Samuel, Born 22 Sep 1802, Died 1 Jul 1874 at age 71; MOTHER: > FLAMME, Johanna Louisa Christina, Born 16 Apr 1814, Died 4 Dec > 1880 at age 66; Eloped from Ladysmith on 16 Apr 1860, married > with Special Licence from Bloemfontein.; Private, Greytown > Mounted Rifles 1865 Went to diamond fields, and later he > lived at Bethlehem. On hunting/trading expedition with brother > Reuben when killed in a fall from a horse. Eloped with Theresa > and his mother-inlaw and her lover from Ladysmith. > > CHILDREN: > 1. F PROUDFOOT, Amy Patricia > 2. F PROUDFOOT, Jessie Verona > 3. M BENINGFIELD, Samuel Ross Thomas, born 5 May 1861 in > Durban, died 13 Mar 1910 in TVL, Pretoria Dist.; Married > Jan 1891 to DE VILLIERS, Alice Maud Huskisson > 4. F BENINGFIELD, Annie Louisa, born 12 Mar 1863 in Ladysmith, > died ??? > 5. F BENINGFIELD, Edith Theresa Evangeline, born 22 Apr 1865 > in Greytown, Natal, died 2 Apr 1943 in Pietermaritzburg; > Married Apr 1932 to GANNON, John > 6. F BENINGFIELD, Annie Theresa (Francis), born 13 Oct 1867 in > Greytown, Natal, died 27 Apr 1950 in Kokstad; Married Sep > 1886 to RAW, Herbert Maughan; 7 children > 7. F BENINGFIELD, Maud, born ??? 1870, died ??? > > It could not be this Thomas PROUDFOOT, as he died before the Anglo-Boer > War, > but there is quite an interesting story here. They were living in > Ladysmith, > and Samuel Beningfield junior eloped with Proudfoot's wife to the Free > State, > where they got married (bigamously, I presume). Her mother and her lover > also > eloped with them. > > > -- > Keep well, > Steve Hayes > Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm > E-mail: [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers Could anyone researching VAN SCHALKWYK assist me. I am looking for any further information on parents, siblings and children of Barend Christoffel VAN SCHALKWYK Barend Christoffel VAN SCHALKWYK [born 24/02/1897 in Riversdale and died 02/05/1955 in Stutterheim. He is buried in Cambridge Cemetry East London] this is my GGrandfather [per his DN his parents are listed as Pieter and Susara] He married: Maria Susanna Catharina VAN STADEN on 02/12/1922 in Queenstown and they had the following children C1 – Martha Dorothea VAN WYNGAARD [nee VAN SCHALKWYK] C2 –Abraham Petrus VAN SCHALKWYK C3 – Hendrik Johannes VAN SCHALKWYK C4 – Barend Christoffel VAN SCHALKWYK C5 – Andries Jacobus VAN SCHALKWYK [this is my Grandfather] C6 – Josias Stephanus VAN SCHALKWYK C7 – Malcolm Gregory VAN SCHALKWYK C8 - Marie Susara STRYDER [nee VAN SCHALKWYK] C9 – Merle Ethel DE WAAL [nee VAN SCHALKWYK] Any information would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Jackie Greenwood

I totally missed that you said "gold" in the subject line! Duh! Information I found: Cecil Rhodes and Charles Rudd founded the original Gold Fields of South Africa in 1887.............such mines as Simmer & Jack and Robinson Deep on the Central Rand. But ultimately, in the 1930s, it discovered and developed the 'West Wits Line' of the Far West Rand gold field, 80 miles west of Johannesburg. The first mine was Venterspost in 1939, followed by Libanon, West Driefontein, Doornfontein, Kloof, East Driefontein and Deelkraal. Johannesburg Consolidate Investments gold mining house was formed in 1887 around the investments of the Barnato brothers, who had already made their fortune in diamonds at Kimberley. Its early mines included Langlaagte Estate (which became Johannesburg) and Randfontein Estates and later Randfontein and H. J. Joel. Union Corporation was founded in 1893 by Adolf Goerz, a young German mining engineer who had come to South Africa in search of gold five years earlier. Its early mines included East Geduld and Modderfontein Deep Levels, and then, in the 1950s, the four mines of the Evander field east of Johannesburg, and St Helena in the Orange Free State. Rand Mines, the South African mining house, originated as H. Ekstein & Co. in 1887. They developed East Rand Proprietary Mine (ERPM) and Durban Deep, Those above were the mines of the 19th century. Anglo American came along in 1917....their mines I listed in my first email. Anglovaal was still later in 1955, and had Hartebeestfontein (in Klerksdorp area) Hope that helps Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."