I have found a map of Johannesburg dated 1898 - some mines are marked Joy http://wiredspace.wits.ac.za/handle/10539/9352 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Magda, Do a Google Search for *history "alberts" johannesburg* and see what comes up. You may or may not have some of this info. Good luck, Paddy On 19 February 2014 16:09, Magda Begeman <[email protected]> wrote: > I really enjoyed all this info on early Johannesburg. Part of my > Alberts family lived on a farm called Waterval outside of > Johannesburg. Most of the farm was sold off for development at the end > of 1800's. Places like Sophiatown, Alberts kroon, Albertsville were > part of the farm. The Alberts Farm Nature Reserve was part of it too > and my great grand mother Alida Susanna Alberts was buried there. I > would appreciate any information about this farm. I have 2 photo > albums dating back to 1920 and I am writing the story around them. > > kind Regards > > Magda > > > On 19 February 2014 15:47, glynis <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have a collection of post cards of early Durban and natal as well as > other > > parts of SA. > > > > You can see all my post cards posted on: > > > > www.eggsa.org > > > > On top of the page go to: > > - Contents > > - Library > > - Post Cards > > - South Africa > > > > Take care > > Glynis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Milly & Adrian > Rowe > > Sent: 19 February 2014 02:58 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > > Hi Tombi > > I would be very interested in seeing your old Durban photographs. Are > you > > prepared to share them off list? > > Adrian > > Kloof, Durban > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck > > Sent: 19 February 2014 02:34 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > > I have a small photograph of Johannesburg taken in 1890.....another is a > > panoramic photograph which just says 'Johannesburg Gold Mine' > > I have several other interesting old photographs of Johannesburg....l > had 15 > > photographs of the old Primrose Mine including massed photographs of the > > miners, but unfortunately this computer has a tendency to sometimes 'eat' > > photographs....it obviously didn't like that collection. > > I also have old photographs of Durban and the Cape Town area as well > should > > anyone be interested. > > Best wishes, > > Tombi Peck > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks very much for doing this work - I found it fascinating reading and value the effort taken to produce this lists. Eira

I really enjoyed all this info on early Johannesburg. Part of my Alberts family lived on a farm called Waterval outside of Johannesburg. Most of the farm was sold off for development at the end of 1800's. Places like Sophiatown, Alberts kroon, Albertsville were part of the farm. The Alberts Farm Nature Reserve was part of it too and my great grand mother Alida Susanna Alberts was buried there. I would appreciate any information about this farm. I have 2 photo albums dating back to 1920 and I am writing the story around them. kind Regards Magda On 19 February 2014 15:47, glynis <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a collection of post cards of early Durban and natal as well as other > parts of SA. > > You can see all my post cards posted on: > > www.eggsa.org > > On top of the page go to: > - Contents > - Library > - Post Cards > - South Africa > > Take care > Glynis > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Milly & Adrian Rowe > Sent: 19 February 2014 02:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Hi Tombi > I would be very interested in seeing your old Durban photographs. Are you > prepared to share them off list? > Adrian > Kloof, Durban > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck > Sent: 19 February 2014 02:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > I have a small photograph of Johannesburg taken in 1890.....another is a > panoramic photograph which just says 'Johannesburg Gold Mine' > I have several other interesting old photographs of Johannesburg....l had 15 > photographs of the old Primrose Mine including massed photographs of the > miners, but unfortunately this computer has a tendency to sometimes 'eat' > photographs....it obviously didn't like that collection. > I also have old photographs of Durban and the Cape Town area as well should > anyone be interested. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I have a collection of post cards of early Durban and natal as well as other parts of SA. You can see all my post cards posted on: www.eggsa.org On top of the page go to: - Contents - Library - Post Cards - South Africa Take care Glynis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Milly & Adrian Rowe Sent: 19 February 2014 02:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hi Tombi I would be very interested in seeing your old Durban photographs. Are you prepared to share them off list? Adrian Kloof, Durban -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: 19 February 2014 02:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. I have a small photograph of Johannesburg taken in 1890.....another is a panoramic photograph which just says 'Johannesburg Gold Mine' I have several other interesting old photographs of Johannesburg....l had 15 photographs of the old Primrose Mine including massed photographs of the miners, but unfortunately this computer has a tendency to sometimes 'eat' photographs....it obviously didn't like that collection. I also have old photographs of Durban and the Cape Town area as well should anyone be interested. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Joy, that's the Plan I was talking about. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "joy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >I have found a map of Johannesburg dated 1898 - some mines are marked > > Joy > > http://wiredspace.wits.ac.za/handle/10539/9352 > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From SA history online - Gold Reef City is a re-creation of turn-of-the-century Johannesburg, which was flooded by prospectors after the discovery of gold in 1886. With its Victorian houses and geological displays, it offers many fascinating insights into life in Johannesburg long before the technological age. In the centre of Gold Reef City stands Shaft No 14, opened in 1887 and closed after 84 years of operation in 1971. Shaft 14 - of what mine? Joy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Tombi I would be very interested in seeing your old Durban photographs. Are you prepared to share them off list? Adrian Kloof, Durban -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: 19 February 2014 02:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. I have a small photograph of Johannesburg taken in 1890.....another is a panoramic photograph which just says 'Johannesburg Gold Mine' I have several other interesting old photographs of Johannesburg....l had 15 photographs of the old Primrose Mine including massed photographs of the miners, but unfortunately this computer has a tendency to sometimes 'eat' photographs....it obviously didn't like that collection. I also have old photographs of Durban and the Cape Town area as well should anyone be interested. Best wishes, Tombi Peck

On 18 Feb 2014 at 23:33, Bart Simon wrote: > http://www.mytrees.com/newanc/Africa/Married-1846/Pr/Proudfoot-family/Thomas-P > roudfoot-kr000110-8024.html > > With regards the b. date of your Thomas Gillespie Proudfoot given as b:???? > 1846, and the given age at death to be 42yrs: Where do you get the [42yrs] > from ?. B.S. ===================================== Family tree compiled by Ron Hickman of Jersey citing CSO 2287 and Death Notice. Hickman said he had a younger brother William Innes Proudfoot, hide merchant of Durban who died at age 40 in Marylebone. I haven't been able to access the site you cite above, as my internet connection is erratic, until Telkom come to fix it (it's been 10 days now), and this reply will be queued for sending when the next lucid interval comes along. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected]

Hope this helps Kind regards Nikki Extracted from Diamonds and Gold in South Africa by Theodore Reunert published by JUTA 1893 Appendix XXIX ( compiled from Returns published by the Witwatersrand Chamber of Mines 1892 Report p.110) Mines producing over 250,000 (pounds sterling Robinson Langlaagte Estate Over 100,000 and below 250,000 Crown Reef New Primrose Nigel Geldenhuis Estate Ferreira Simmer and Jack Durban Roodeport City and Suburban New Chimes May Consolidated Over 75 000 and below 100 000 Langlaagte B.Block Meyer and Charlton Jumpers Over 50 000 and below 75 000 Salisbury Champ d'Or Glencairn Langlaagte Royal Jubilee Worcester Wemmer United Main Reef ( Roodeport) Stanhope Over 25 000 and under 50 000 New Aurora West Main Reef Johannesburg Pioneer New Croesus Wolhuter George Goch Amalgamated Orion Aurora Van Ryn Estate Henry Nourse Princess Estate New Rietfontein Estate Star Village Main Reef Metropolitan May Deep Level Over 10 000 and under 25 000 Paarl Central Treasury Randfontein Black Reef Roodepoort ( "Kimberley") Nigel Syndicate ( Tailings) Geldenhuis Main Reef Unified Langlaate Western Meyer and Leeb Teutonia Langlaagte United Gipsy Rietfontein Estate Oriel Over 5 000 and under 10 000 Banket La Fortuna Syndicate ( Tailings) Witwatersrand Modderfontein Nabob Over 1000 and under 5000 Fern New Heriot Black Reef Syndicate Evelyn Blue Sky Moss Rose Gardner Main Reef Late New Violet Bothas Reef Angle Tarsis Marais Reef Vulcan Over 200 and under 1000 St Albans ( late Ida) Vogelstruisfontein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 55 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Pat Brown) 2. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Pat Brown) 3. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Colin M?hr) 4. Re: Early Witwatersrand gold mines. (Tombi Peck) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:51:02 +0200 From: Pat Brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: Genealogy - South Africa <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everybody, I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use and not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those with a connection to the mining industry. Cheers, Paddy On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star > 100 > Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which > is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of > Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in > Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had > been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 > edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These > mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:11:28 +0200 From: Pat Brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: Genealogy - South Africa <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bev, There are actually a number of books covering this period, most them out of print. I have two, the one mentioned in my other post and another called "Gold! Gold! Gold! The Johannesburg Gold Rush" by Eric Rosenthal and published in 1970. As Johannesburg only exists because of the mining, virtually any book on the history of Johannesburg is going to include a fair chunk on the mining history. Cheers, Paddy On 19 February 2014 12:33, Bev <[email protected]> wrote: > What a gem this book would be to people who are researching this period. > When I went through the info that I got this morning, I realised that from > my research [mainly death cert] there were other mines and also wondered > what mine Gold Reef City original name was. The Primrose mine also rang a > bell! > Maybe a good indication for some genealogist to actually do a book! > Thanks Noelene! > Bev > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nolene Lossau > Sent: 19 February 2014 11:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star > 100 > Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which > is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of > Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in > Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had > been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 > edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These > mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Dennis, > > Yes, but: > > What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or > the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? > > I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student > at > Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that > angles > at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat > and > humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. > > On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories > about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it > seems to me. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST > From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Hallo All > > Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond > and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? > > Any offers ? > > > Kind regards. > > > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > > > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > > > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked > >> on the > > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > > > Thank you! Bev > > > Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my > dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines > was > Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines > of the 1900s if that helps? > > I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and > 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of > Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many > shafts took miners up and down). > Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later > those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. > Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that > area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time > Western Reefs was started. > The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein > town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, > these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining > operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original > mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney > was > never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways > connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns > up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, > and at several levels.) > > As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its > workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to > the > job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental > official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, > you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at > retirement elsewhere. > Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each > tribal > custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment > ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who > spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken > on > one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 > weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and > first > aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or > more. > > > (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine > system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing > to > use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with > forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that > subject....) > > Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines > named: > Freddies > Free State Geduld > President Brand > Saaiplaas > President Steyn > Western Holdings > Joel > > > And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: > Western Deep Levels (East Levels) > Western Deep Levels (Levels West) > Western Deep Levels (Levels South) > Elandsrand > > > Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less > about. > Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. > East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. > East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more > east, > Evander mine. > > Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the > Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines > followed > from the 1886 gold rush. > > > DIAMOND MINES > > They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley > developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" > In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each > owned their little claim area. > The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at > Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year > competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show > people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... > > Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. > > > OTHER MINES > > SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines > (low > sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese > zirconium > rutile and the list goes on. > Do you know what kind of mining names you need? > I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. > > Namaste, > Irene > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > "Man > who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:11:23 +0200 From: Colin M?hr <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Pat, I certainly would like a copy if you could! Colin Mohr [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Brown" <[email protected]> To: "Genealogy - South Africa" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > Hi everybody, > I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by > Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back > showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still > copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use > and > not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone > would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it > off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. > BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The > History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also > published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those > with > a connection to the mining industry. > > Cheers, > > Paddy > > > On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star >> 100 >> Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 >> which >> is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of >> Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in >> Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold >> had >> been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 >> edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. >> These >> mines were listed as follows: >> >> Aurora >> Chimes >> Crown >> Croesus >> City & Suburban >> Durban Roodepoort >> Henry Nourse >> Jubilee >> Langlaagte >> May Consolidated >> Mint >> New Primrose >> New Grahamstown >> Royal >> Simmer and Jack >> Steyn Estate >> Wemmer >> Worcester >> Wolhuter >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:25:20 -0000 From: "Tombi Peck" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well done, Nolene, I, too, have that book but didn't think to look in it. Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nolene Lossau" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. >I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 > Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which > is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of > Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in > Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had > been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 > edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These > mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Dennis, > > Yes, but: > > What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or > the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? > > I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student > at > Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that > angles > at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat > and > humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. > > On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories > about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it > seems to me. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST > From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Hallo All > > Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond > and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? > > Any offers ? > > > Kind regards. > > > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > >> Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining >> companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? >> >>> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >>> on the >> mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? >> >> Thank you! Bev > > > Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my > dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines > was > Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines > of the 1900s if that helps? > > I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and > 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of > Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many > shafts took miners up and down). > Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later > those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. > Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that > area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time > Western Reefs was started. > The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein > town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, > these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining > operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original > mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney > was > never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways > connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns > up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, > and at several levels.) > > As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its > workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to > the > job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental > official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, > you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at > retirement elsewhere. > Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each > tribal > custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment > ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who > spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken > on > one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 > weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and > first > aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or > more. > > > (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine > system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing > to > use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with > forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that > subject....) > > Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines > named: > Freddies > Free State Geduld > President Brand > Saaiplaas > President Steyn > Western Holdings > Joel > > > And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: > Western Deep Levels (East Levels) > Western Deep Levels (Levels West) > Western Deep Levels (Levels South) > Elandsrand > > > Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less > about. > Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. > East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. > East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more > east, > Evander mine. > > Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the > Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines > followed > from the 1886 gold rush. > > > DIAMOND MINES > > They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley > developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" > In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each > owned their little claim area. > The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at > Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year > competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show > people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... > > Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. > > > OTHER MINES > > SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines > (low > sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese > zirconium > rutile and the list goes on. > Do you know what kind of mining names you need? > I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. > > Namaste, > Irene > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. 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Hi All With regards to having a map with all the mines on ­ they can be added to GOOGLE MAPS ­ with the right naming and perhaps suffix ­ they would appear on google maps if someone searches for ³early witwatersrand gold mines² Maybe someone has a better Idea ? Regards Heahter From: Bev <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday 19 February 2014 at 1:29 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hi Paddy! Please can I have a map? I will see what I can do about getting the other books. Many thanks Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Brown Sent: 19 February 2014 12:51 PM To: Genealogy - South Africa Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hi everybody, I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use and not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those with a connection to the mining industry. Cheers, Paddy On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The > Star 100 Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 > 09389 7 which is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold > mines of Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers > published in Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 > Oct 1887. Gold had been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. > In the 6 July 1889 edition The Star published a list of gold yields > from various mines. These mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a picture of a document titled 'Plan of Johannesburg and Suburbs 1897'....I found the map fascinating as I can see so clearly where I lived during my teens, twenties and early 30's so neatly set out! The Gold Mines shown on the map are: Robinson G.M. Co. Worcester G.M. Co. Main Reef Ferreira G.M. Co. Ferreira Deep Wemmer G.M. Co. Salisbury G.M. Co. Jubilee G.M. Co. Village Main Reef City & Suburban G.M. Co. Meyer & Charlton C.M. Co Wolhuter G.M. Co Spescona G.M. Co. To one side is a block headed: Total Gold Production of Witwatersrand: 1887 23,125 oz 1888 208,121 oz 1889 369,557 oz 1889 494,817 oz (I think this should say 1890) 1891 728,268 oz 1892 1,210,868 oz 1893 1,478.477 oz 1894 2,024,163 oz 1895 2,277,604 oz 1896 2,280,862 oz Total 11,138,931 oz Please contact me off list if you would like a copy of the picture. Best wishes, Tombi Peck

Hi Paddy! Please can I have a map? I will see what I can do about getting the other books. Many thanks Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Brown Sent: 19 February 2014 12:51 PM To: Genealogy - South Africa Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hi everybody, I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use and not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those with a connection to the mining industry. Cheers, Paddy On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The > Star 100 Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 > 09389 7 which is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold > mines of Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers > published in Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 > Oct 1887. Gold had been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. > In the 6 July 1889 edition The Star published a list of gold yields > from various mines. These mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, There are actually a number of books covering this period, most them out of print. I have two, the one mentioned in my other post and another called "Gold! Gold! Gold! The Johannesburg Gold Rush" by Eric Rosenthal and published in 1970. As Johannesburg only exists because of the mining, virtually any book on the history of Johannesburg is going to include a fair chunk on the mining history. Cheers, Paddy On 19 February 2014 12:33, Bev <[email protected]> wrote: > What a gem this book would be to people who are researching this period. > When I went through the info that I got this morning, I realised that from > my research [mainly death cert] there were other mines and also wondered > what mine Gold Reef City original name was. The Primrose mine also rang a > bell! > Maybe a good indication for some genealogist to actually do a book! > Thanks Noelene! > Bev > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nolene Lossau > Sent: 19 February 2014 11:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 > Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which > is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of > Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in > Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had > been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 > edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These > mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Dennis, > > Yes, but: > > What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or > the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? > > I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at > Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that > angles > at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and > humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. > > On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories > about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it > seems to me. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST > From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Hallo All > > Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond > and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? > > Any offers ? > > > Kind regards. > > > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > > > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > > > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked > >> on the > > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > > > Thank you! Bev > > > Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my > dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was > Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines > of the 1900s if that helps? > > I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and > 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of > Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many > shafts took miners up and down). > Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later > those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. > Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that > area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time > Western Reefs was started. > The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein > town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, > these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining > operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original > mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was > never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways > connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns > up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, > and at several levels.) > > As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its > workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the > job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental > official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, > you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at > retirement elsewhere. > Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal > custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment > ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who > spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on > one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 > weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and > first > aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or > more. > > > (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine > system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to > use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with > forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that > subject....) > > Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines > named: > Freddies > Free State Geduld > President Brand > Saaiplaas > President Steyn > Western Holdings > Joel > > > And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: > Western Deep Levels (East Levels) > Western Deep Levels (Levels West) > Western Deep Levels (Levels South) > Elandsrand > > > Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less > about. > Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. > East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. > East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more > east, > Evander mine. > > Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the > Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed > from the 1886 gold rush. > > > DIAMOND MINES > > They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley > developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" > In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each > owned their little claim area. > The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at > Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year > competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show > people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... > > Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. > > > OTHER MINES > > SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low > sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese > zirconium > rutile and the list goes on. > Do you know what kind of mining names you need? > I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. > > Namaste, > Irene > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > "Man > who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Pat, I certainly would like a copy if you could! Colin Mohr [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Brown" <[email protected]> To: "Genealogy - South Africa" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > Hi everybody, > I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by > Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back > showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still > copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use > and > not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone > would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it > off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. > BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The > History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also > published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those > with > a connection to the mining industry. > > Cheers, > > Paddy > > > On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star >> 100 >> Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 >> which >> is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of >> Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in >> Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold >> had >> been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 >> edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. >> These >> mines were listed as follows: >> >> Aurora >> Chimes >> Crown >> Croesus >> City & Suburban >> Durban Roodepoort >> Henry Nourse >> Jubilee >> Langlaagte >> May Consolidated >> Mint >> New Primrose >> New Grahamstown >> Royal >> Simmer and Jack >> Steyn Estate >> Wemmer >> Worcester >> Wolhuter >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everybody, I have a book called "Fifty Golden Years of the Rand: 1886-1936) by Jacobsen and published in 1936. It has a pretty good map in the back showing the gold mines as at 1936. I do not know if the book is still copyright but I would think that just scanning the map for personal use and not for commercial distribution would qualify as "fair use". If anyone would like a copy of the map please let me know and I will send it off-list. The file is just over 5Mb in size. BTW, there is a book called "The Gold Mines of Southern Africa: The History, Technology, and Statistics of the Gold Industry" by Letcher, also published in 1936 (I do not have a copy) which may be useful for those with a connection to the mining industry. Cheers, Paddy On 19 February 2014 11:42, Nolene Lossau <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 > Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which > is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of > Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in > Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had > been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 > edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These > mines were listed as follows: > > Aurora > Chimes > Crown > Croesus > City & Suburban > Durban Roodepoort > Henry Nourse > Jubilee > Langlaagte > May Consolidated > Mint > New Primrose > New Grahamstown > Royal > Simmer and Jack > Steyn Estate > Wemmer > Worcester > Wolhuter > >

Bev, I'd love a copy of the photograph you mention. I have a photograph entitled 'Witwatersrand miners - second from left Alfred Gibb'.....I have no idea who he was or who sent me the photograph. I would recon it was taken in the early 1900's. I have several other old photographs of Johannesburg should anyone like copies. Please contact me 'off list' should you be interested. Best wishes, Tombi Peck

I have a small photograph of Johannesburg taken in 1890.....another is a panoramic photograph which just says 'Johannesburg Gold Mine' I have several other interesting old photographs of Johannesburg....l had 15 photographs of the old Primrose Mine including massed photographs of the miners, but unfortunately this computer has a tendency to sometimes 'eat' photographs....it obviously didn't like that collection. I also have old photographs of Durban and the Cape Town area as well should anyone be interested. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > Hi all! > With all the kind responses, I could probably do that! Thank you to > everyone- now we just have to place them! For me it is very relevant as I > do > not know JHB very well at all- and very little about the mining- my mom > immigrated to Durban in the late 1930's and although the TVL family used > to > come down on holiday- we very rarely went up to see them [for obvious > reasons!] I lived in Sandton for 10 years and only went into JHB proper > twice!!!! Bev > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Pretorius > Sent: 18 February 2014 09:06 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > Hallo All > > Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond > and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? > > Any offers ? > > > Kind regards. > > > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. > > > On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > >> Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining >> companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? >> >>> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >>> on the >> mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? >> >> Thank you! Bev > > > Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my > dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines > was > Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines > of the 1900s if that helps? > > I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and > 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of > Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many > shafts took miners up and down). > Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later > those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. > Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that > area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time > Western Reefs was started. > The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein > town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, > these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining > operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original > mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney > was > never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways > connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns > up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, > and at several levels.) > > As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its > workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to > the > job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental > official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, > you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at > retirement elsewhere. > Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each > tribal > custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment > ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who > spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken > on > one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 > weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and > first > aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or > more. > > > (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine > system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing > to > use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with > forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that > subject....) > > Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines > named: > Freddies > Free State Geduld > President Brand > Saaiplaas > President Steyn > Western Holdings > Joel > > > And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: > Western Deep Levels (East Levels) > Western Deep Levels (Levels West) > Western Deep Levels (Levels South) > Elandsrand > > > Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less > about. > Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. > East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. > East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more > east, > Evander mine. > > Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the > Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines > followed > from the 1886 gold rush. > > > DIAMOND MINES > > They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley > developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" > In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each > owned their little claim area. > The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at > Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year > competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show > people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... > > Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. > > > OTHER MINES > > SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines > (low > sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese > zirconium > rutile and the list goes on. > Do you know what kind of mining names you need? > I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. > > Namaste, > Irene > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > "Man > who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a gem this book would be to people who are researching this period. When I went through the info that I got this morning, I realised that from my research [mainly death cert] there were other mines and also wondered what mine Gold Reef City original name was. The Primrose mine also rang a bell! Maybe a good indication for some genealogist to actually do a book! Thanks Noelene! Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nolene Lossau Sent: 19 February 2014 11:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. I have a History Book about Johannesburg called "Like it Was - The Star 100 Years in Johannesburg" published by Argus in 1987 ISBN 0 620 09389 7 which is a mine (excuse the pun) of information about the gold mines of Johannesburg. The Star was one of the first newspapers published in Johannesburg - the first edition went out on Monday 117 Oct 1887. Gold had been discovered by George HARRION in February 1886. In the 6 July 1889 edition The Star published a list of gold yields from various mines. These mines were listed as follows: Aurora Chimes Crown Croesus City & Suburban Durban Roodepoort Henry Nourse Jubilee Langlaagte May Consolidated Mint New Primrose New Grahamstown Royal Simmer and Jack Steyn Estate Wemmer Worcester Wolhuter -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) 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I think that you have a very valid point. I am working in the 1892-1920 period when things were still very " new", and I want to know where things actually were. >From Wiki- I got the following figures for JHB 1886 pop ? 1887 pop- 3000 1896 pop -100000 1904 pop -155642 My initial enthusiasm has been somewhat dampened and the only mine that the position is given is Robinson Deep- which was just off Eloff St. Langlaagte, as in the mine, will obviously be where Langlaagte is now. I know where Simmer and Jack is/was. Considering the huge economic impact these early settlers had, there is very little info on how/where they lived. Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Meintjes Sent: 19 February 2014 09:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Dennis, Yes, but: What are the associated genealogy resources? Are the Chamber of Mines or the Anglo-American personnel records available to researchers? I worked at Vaal Reefs in Stilfontein while I was an engineering student at Wits. Let me just stay that mining a half meter thick gold vein that angles at 45 degrees upwards more than a mile underground with oppressive heat and humidity is one of the most terrifying memories I have. On the radio here today (BBC on satellite in the USA) there are stories about "illegal" miners being trapped underground. Desperate people, it seems to me. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:07 PM EST From: "Dennis Pretorius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. Hallo All Maybe someone would like to record all the Gold Mines - and maybe diamond and coal mines as well - and store that somewhere on a website ? Any offers ? Kind regards. Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Early Witwatersrand gold mines. On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:37 AM, Bev wrote: > Is there a source which lists the names of the mines [not the mining > companies] and where exactly they were situated? Perhaps a map? > >> From what I can gather, [from death notices] although the men worked >> on the > mines, they did not necessarily live in mine houses? > > Thank you! Bev Bev I do not know how much I coud help, but I lived on a gold mine and my dad, and his dad were mine officials. The largest company of gold mines was Anglo American of South Africa and I know the names of the AASA GOLD mines of the 1900s if that helps? I grew up at Western Reefs mine, a new one which was started by my dad and 16 others, in 1953 in Orkney, on the Vaal river, about 100 miles SSW of Jo'burg. It had three shafts (one way to measure a mine's size is how many shafts took miners up and down). Then came Vaal Reefs, in a town of same name, a few miles away, and later those two were both called Vaal Reefs, a huge mining area with 11 shafts. Klerksdorp is about 8 miles north of Orkney and the largest town in that area. It was also a gold mine but was closed down, emptied, by the time Western Reefs was started. The underground mine workings went all over the place, under Stilfontein town, Westdriefontein, Orkney, Vaal Reefs, Vierfonteyn, and Klerksdorp, these all being towns that were developed above the extensive mining operations and eventually it was all called Vaalk reefs, but the original mines were these town names plus Western Reefs and minus Orkney. Orkney was never a mine name. Western Reefs mine was in Orkney. (Underground railways connected it all down there - so while there were all these discrete towns up top, it was all a big connected area of mining operations underground, and at several levels.) As for housing, that was a company policy matter. Anglo did offer its workers housing, and you got a house with a size and shape according to the job you did. You had to pay rent of two rand a month, just to make rental official that you did not own the house. BUT - when you retired or left, you had to leave the house and so it was smart to plan to buy one at retirement elsewhere. Black workers were housed in apartment style buildings, one for each tribal custom group, with vegetable gardens per culture, and entertainment ampitheatres per cultural group. Workers were made up in teams of ten who spoke the same language. There were an average of fifty languages spoken on one mine as workers came from all over Africa to work on mines. They did 2 weeks above ground training on arrival, including intensive safety and first aid training, while thery acclimatized to the altitude of 6000 feet or more. (I am convinced the apartheid idea was taken from the very effective mine system where workers had a choice of what language/culture group housing to use. But of course the govt made a total controlling mess of things with forced compliance instead of free choice and.......best I shall leave that subject....) Further south in Orange Free State, Welkom area, was a cluster of mines named: Freddies Free State Geduld President Brand Saaiplaas President Steyn Western Holdings Joel And further north circling Johannesburg (now Gauteng) the mines: Western Deep Levels (East Levels) Western Deep Levels (Levels West) Western Deep Levels (Levels South) Elandsrand Those were Anglo mines and there were others but those I rememeber less about. Carletonville mine of course was famous because of sinkholes there. East Rand Mine is at Boxburg. East of the western Deep Levels mines is East Rand mine and still more east, Evander mine. Earliest GOLD mines were at Pilgrim's Rest and Barberton, after which the Witwatersrand gold reef was discovered.......all those ANglo mines followed from the 1886 gold rush. DIAMOND MINES They started 1867 with diamonds on the Orange River bank, Kimberley developed as a centre where you can still see the "Big Hole" In the mid to late 1800s many people staked claims in the area, and each owned their little claim area. The van der Merwe joke about the later develpment of one giant digging at Kimberley, was that VdM won the local biggest carrot grown that year competition, but explained the carrot was too big to bring along to show people. However, they could go see the big hole it came out of.... Diamonds were also found near Johannesburg at Cullinan mine. OTHER MINES SA has uranium mines (esp at Western Reefs, now Vaal Reefs) coal mines (low sulphur which is low pollution coal), vanadium, platinum manganese zirconium rutile and the list goes on. Do you know what kind of mining names you need? I hope you find what you nede. I thought this might be a starting place. Namaste, Irene Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message