Hi Claudine, I don't quite understand your question. He didn't arrive by ship, so you won't be able to find a name of a ship. He arrived with a Yankee clipper as you know. Why are you still looking for a name of a ship? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_ship Linda
Hi Linda He arrived by ship whether it was a whaler (as the place of his birth and the prevailing job availability there at the time suggests), clipper, war vessel or passenger vessel. All I am trying to do is trace when he could have arrived here if it is at all possible. Surely there are shipping logs kept of vessels docking in the Cape and Saldanha somewhere for that time period? I know it is highly unlikely that I will ever be able to trace a name of a possible vessel but am curious still. If I have the names of US vessels that docked, in theory I could go back to my US research and my contacts there to see if any of those vessels were ever in New York and from there trace if he ever worked on any of those. My research so far shows that he was present during the 1850 census in New York but not in the 1860 census which leads me to speculate that he left the US some time during that decade and arrived here before 1863. As it is, the information contained in the Lawrence Green book is inaccurate on one huge point – he is not associated at all with the Alabama. Lawrence Green interviewed existing family members but the story of how he arrived here became garbled up in village talk of him arriving on the Alabama. I hope that clarifies my question? Cheers Claudine From: Linda Farrell [mailto:ozfarrells@gmail.com] Sent: 12 March 2015 05:17 AM To: claudine@vanwyk.co.za; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine, I don't quite understand your question. He didn't arrive by ship, so you won't be able to find a name of a ship. He arrived with a Yankee clipper as you know. Why are you still looking for a name of a ship? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_ship Linda No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4306/9280 - Release Date: 03/11/15
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On Mar 11, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Linda Farrell via wrote: > > I don't quite understand your question. He didn't arrive by ship, so you > won't be able to find a name of a ship. He arrived with a Yankee clipper as > you know. Why are you still looking for a name of a ship? > http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_ship Clippers are ships and have names:-) -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Hi I have the information as well as everything else I have been able to find in the archives and on NAIRS. The information comes out of IN THE LAND OF THE AFTERNOON which is where I started my search back in 2010. I am however now trying to find out when and how he arrived here from the US. I have a couple of possibles in census forms in the US to pursue as well but thats a long term thing. My request is for where to go to to find out which ship he would have arrived on. American ships called here all the time in the 1800s, but where would their arrival and passenger logs be or in the case of fishing or whaling vessels, who would have kept a log of arrivals for that time? My branch of Lloyds has no link as far as I know with any Lloyd that would have arrived here via the immigration from the UK. He was an independent that arrived from the US. Any information is appreciated. Regards Claudine From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za] Sent: 11 March 2015 05:19 PM To: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd; south-africa@rootsweb.com; claudine@vanwyk.co.za Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Jen I did not say it WAS that George I said it was the only one close that year. Regards Heather From: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd <lacey@yebo.co.za <mailto:lacey@yebo.co.za> > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 4:52 PM To: Heather MacAlister <heather@ancestors.co.za <mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za> >, <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> >, <claudine@vanwyk.co.za <mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine I dont think this is your George............. Walter James1 Lloyd, b. 7 Dec 1850 in Cuylerville (son of Charles Lloyd [1818 - 1897] and Harriet Clayton [1823 - 1913]), d. 4 Sep 1926 in Grahamstown Frances Eliza Weymouth Dell, b. 1860 in (daughter of Edward Hunt Dell and Eliza Weymouth Usher), d. 11 Nov 1939 in Port Elizabethr. One of their children was: George Ellis Lloyd, b. 16 Nov 1895, baptized 1 Mar 1896 in 'Longridge', Peddie, d. 31 May 1916 in Mbulu, German East Africa, 1st World War, buried in Dar Es Salaam War Cemetery / Old Cemetery, Grahamstown, District Albany,Eastern Cape, RSA. Was a Private, 10th Regt., South African Infantry. No issue. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za <mailto:lacey@yebo.co.za> www.southafricanfamily.com <http://www.southafricanfamily.com> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za <mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za> >; <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine George Arrived in Table Bay on a Yankee clipper 7 months before the arrival of the Alabama. He died in 1916. He was born at Hudson in the State of New York in 1842. One of his sisters wrote a letter to a descendant saying `¹George left home for a sea voyage in 1858 when he was sixteen years old ( I was 8 years old) we had a civil war and he never returned home This is the only estate for 1916 for an George Lloyd DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/834 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2345 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LLOYD, GEORGE ELLIS. DEATH NOTICE. STARTING 19160000 ENDING 19160000 I can send you a photo of him and his family from the book in the Land of the Afternoon by Lawrence Green please let me know The National Archives in Cape Town would be the best place to go for help Regards Heather From: Claudine van Wyk via <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za <mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za> >, <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com <mailto:south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven From: Claudine van Wyk [mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za] Sent: 06 March 2015 07:00 PM To: 'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com> ' Subject: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction? I am researching my husband's family, the LLOYDS from Churchhaven. George Albert Lloyd founded Churchhaven on the West Coast. I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. Family legend says he arrived on the CSS ALABAMA but I have not been able to find his name on any crew or passenger lists in the fleet that travelled with the CSS Alabama or the Alabama itself. There is no proof as yet that he arrived here on that vessel at all. I've been in contact with Civil War societies in the US, the US navy archives as well as historians acquainted with the vessel and the fleet that came here. No one has found any papers with his details recorded anywhere. Now, I do know that the area in the US where he was born was prominent in whaling. My request is for anyone with knowledge of merchant vessels, fishing and whaling vessels who can tell me where I can start searching. 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Hi Jen I did not say it WAS that George I said it was the only one close that year. Regards Heather From: Graham and Jennifer Lloyd <lacey@yebo.co.za> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 4:52 PM To: Heather MacAlister <heather@ancestors.co.za>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com>, <claudine@vanwyk.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine I dont think this is your George............. Walter James1 Lloyd, b. 7 Dec 1850 in Cuylerville (son of Charles Lloyd [1818 - 1897] and Harriet Clayton [1823 - 1913]), d. 4 Sep 1926 in Grahamstown Frances Eliza Weymouth Dell, b. 1860 in (daughter of Edward Hunt Dell and Eliza Weymouth Usher), d. 11 Nov 1939 in Port Elizabethr. One of their children was: George Ellis Lloyd, b. 16 Nov 1895, baptized 1 Mar 1896 in 'Longridge', Peddie, d. 31 May 1916 in Mbulu, German East Africa, 1st World War, buried in Dar Es Salaam War Cemetery / Old Cemetery, Grahamstown, District Albany,Eastern Cape, RSA. Was a Private, 10th Regt., South African Infantry. No issue. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine George Arrived in Table Bay on a Yankee clipper 7 months before the arrival of the Alabama. He died in 1916. He was born at Hudson in the State of New York in 1842. One of his sisters wrote a letter to a descendant saying `¹George left home for a sea voyage in 1858 when he was sixteen years old ( I was 8 years old) we had a civil war and he never returned home This is the only estate for 1916 for an George Lloyd DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/834 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2345 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LLOYD, GEORGE ELLIS. DEATH NOTICE. STARTING 19160000 ENDING 19160000 I can send you a photo of him and his family from the book in the Land of the Afternoon by Lawrence Green please let me know The National Archives in Cape Town would be the best place to go for help Regards Heather From: Claudine van Wyk via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven From: Claudine van Wyk [mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za] Sent: 06 March 2015 07:00 PM To: 'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com' Subject: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction? I am researching my husband's family, the LLOYDS from Churchhaven. George Albert Lloyd founded Churchhaven on the West Coast. I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. Family legend says he arrived on the CSS ALABAMA but I have not been able to find his name on any crew or passenger lists in the fleet that travelled with the CSS Alabama or the Alabama itself. There is no proof as yet that he arrived here on that vessel at all. I've been in contact with Civil War societies in the US, the US navy archives as well as historians acquainted with the vessel and the fleet that came here. No one has found any papers with his details recorded anywhere. Now, I do know that the area in the US where he was born was prominent in whaling. My request is for anyone with knowledge of merchant vessels, fishing and whaling vessels who can tell me where I can start searching. Regards Claudine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Claudine I dont think this is your George............. Walter James1 Lloyd, b. 7 Dec 1850 in Cuylerville (son of Charles Lloyd [1818 - 1897] and Harriet Clayton [1823 - 1913]), d. 4 Sep 1926 in Grahamstown Frances Eliza Weymouth Dell, b. 1860 in (daughter of Edward Hunt Dell and Eliza Weymouth Usher), d. 11 Nov 1939 in Port Elizabethr. One of their children was: George Ellis Lloyd, b. 16 Nov 1895, baptized 1 Mar 1896 in 'Longridge', Peddie, d. 31 May 1916 in Mbulu, German East Africa, 1st World War, buried in Dar Es Salaam War Cemetery / Old Cemetery, Grahamstown, District Albany,Eastern Cape, RSA. Was a Private, 10th Regt., South African Infantry. No issue. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za>; <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi Claudine George Arrived in Table Bay on a Yankee clipper 7 months before the arrival of the Alabama. He died in 1916. He was born at Hudson in the State of New York in 1842. One of his sisters wrote a letter to a descendant saying `¹George left home for a sea voyage in 1858 when he was sixteen years old ( I was 8 years old) we had a civil war and he never returned home This is the only estate for 1916 for an George Lloyd DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/834 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2345 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LLOYD, GEORGE ELLIS. DEATH NOTICE. STARTING 19160000 ENDING 19160000 I can send you a photo of him and his family from the book in the Land of the Afternoon by Lawrence Green please let me know The National Archives in Cape Town would be the best place to go for help Regards Heather From: Claudine van Wyk via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven From: Claudine van Wyk [mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za] Sent: 06 March 2015 07:00 PM To: 'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com' Subject: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction? I am researching my husband's family, the LLOYDS from Churchhaven. George Albert Lloyd founded Churchhaven on the West Coast. I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. Family legend says he arrived on the CSS ALABAMA but I have not been able to find his name on any crew or passenger lists in the fleet that travelled with the CSS Alabama or the Alabama itself. There is no proof as yet that he arrived here on that vessel at all. I've been in contact with Civil War societies in the US, the US navy archives as well as historians acquainted with the vessel and the fleet that came here. No one has found any papers with his details recorded anywhere. Now, I do know that the area in the US where he was born was prominent in whaling. My request is for anyone with knowledge of merchant vessels, fishing and whaling vessels who can tell me where I can start searching. Regards Claudine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Claudine George Arrived in Table Bay on a Yankee clipper 7 months before the arrival of the Alabama. He died in 1916. He was born at Hudson in the State of New York in 1842. One of his sisters wrote a letter to a descendant saying `¹George left home for a sea voyage in 1858 when he was sixteen years old ( I was 8 years old) we had a civil war and he never returned home This is the only estate for 1916 for an George Lloyd DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/834 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2345 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LLOYD, GEORGE ELLIS. DEATH NOTICE. STARTING 19160000 ENDING 19160000 I can send you a photo of him and his family from the book in the Land of the Afternoon by Lawrence Green please let me know The National Archives in Cape Town would be the best place to go for help Regards Heather From: Claudine van Wyk via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: <claudine@vanwyk.co.za>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven From: Claudine van Wyk [mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za] Sent: 06 March 2015 07:00 PM To: 'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com' Subject: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction? I am researching my husband's family, the LLOYDS from Churchhaven. George Albert Lloyd founded Churchhaven on the West Coast. I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. Family legend says he arrived on the CSS ALABAMA but I have not been able to find his name on any crew or passenger lists in the fleet that travelled with the CSS Alabama or the Alabama itself. There is no proof as yet that he arrived here on that vessel at all. I've been in contact with Civil War societies in the US, the US navy archives as well as historians acquainted with the vessel and the fleet that came here. No one has found any papers with his details recorded anywhere. Now, I do know that the area in the US where he was born was prominent in whaling. My request is for anyone with knowledge of merchant vessels, fishing and whaling vessels who can tell me where I can start searching. Regards Claudine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Bart, ja I have that same information and it's a total brick wall. I have no idea where to start searching for details of vessels from that era. I've approached the port authorities but they have no idea where to direct my request. And yes the Alabama and CSS Alabama are the same vessel. Regards Claudine Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:16:57 +0200 From: "Bart Simon" <thewanderer@iburst.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] FW: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AC5D5147C2164A3D91FFDC3F813C60B4@DESKTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original === About seven months before the Alabama's arrival, two young seamen from New York named George Albert Lloyd and Cornelius Gallagher slipped on shore from a Yankee clipper berthed in Table Bay Docks. More than half a century later l was on holiday at Saldanha Bay. In a village store I noticed a lean old man with a Yankee face and Abraham Lincoln beard. "Yes, stare hard sonny, for its not every day you'll see a man who came off the Alabama," said the storekeeper. "Stare hard, that's Lloyd of the lagoon". So I gaped at old Lloyd and watched him as he strode off to his boat, made sail, and steered away down the lagoon. I did not know then, of George Albert Lloyd, the American sailor who founded Church Haven on the lagoon at Langebaan. The Alabama steamed into Saldanha Bay on the morning of July 29, 1863. === It is 50 years later the storekeeper says GAL came "off the Alabama", which is probably incorrect ?. But the first paragraph seems to give the greatest indication of his arrival. The CSS Alabama also seems to be referred to as the Alabama ?. Bart. -----Original Message----- I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 88 ******************************************** ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4306/9273 - Release Date: 03/11/15
=== About seven months before the Alabama's arrival, two young seamen from New York named George Albert Lloyd and Cornelius Gallagher slipped on shore from a Yankee clipper berthed in Table Bay Docks. More than half a century later l was on holiday at Saldanha Bay. In a village store I noticed a lean old man with a Yankee face and Abraham Lincoln beard. "Yes, stare hard sonny, for its not every day you'll see a man who came off the Alabama," said the storekeeper. "Stare hard, that's Lloyd of the lagoon". So I gaped at old Lloyd and watched him as he strode off to his boat, made sail, and steered away down the lagoon. I did not know then, of George Albert Lloyd, the American sailor who founded Church Haven on the lagoon at Langebaan. The Alabama steamed into Saldanha Bay on the morning of July 29, 1863. === It is 50 years later the storekeeper says GAL came "off the Alabama", which is probably incorrect ?. But the first paragraph seems to give the greatest indication of his arrival. The CSS Alabama also seems to be referred to as the Alabama ?. Bart. -----Original Message----- I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa.
From: Claudine van Wyk [mailto:claudine@vanwyk.co.za] Sent: 06 March 2015 07:00 PM To: 'south-africa-request@rootsweb.com' Subject: Family name George Albert Lloyd, Churchhaven Hi I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction? I am researching my husband's family, the LLOYDS from Churchhaven. George Albert Lloyd founded Churchhaven on the West Coast. I have found a possible census record for him in the USA but have been unable to find out how he left the US and arrived in South Africa. Family legend says he arrived on the CSS ALABAMA but I have not been able to find his name on any crew or passenger lists in the fleet that travelled with the CSS Alabama or the Alabama itself. There is no proof as yet that he arrived here on that vessel at all. I've been in contact with Civil War societies in the US, the US navy archives as well as historians acquainted with the vessel and the fleet that came here. No one has found any papers with his details recorded anywhere. Now, I do know that the area in the US where he was born was prominent in whaling. My request is for anyone with knowledge of merchant vessels, fishing and whaling vessels who can tell me where I can start searching. Regards Claudine
I would very much like to know about the Boer War camps in India..tried googling and it wont come up, any ideas of where I can find an article as I had no idea there were camps in India. Thank you Jean -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: Keith Meintjes ; south-africa@rootsweb.com ; SA List ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Thanks Keith However in the article refer to both fritters and pancakes. ------Original Message------ From: Keith Meintjes To: rodg@tiscali.co.za To: south-africa@rootsweb.com To: SA List To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Sent: Mar 8, 2015 7:42 PM Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes made from potato flour. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Good evening everyone, I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on life in the POW camps. In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 8 Mar 2015 at 14:28, Fay Lea wrote: > Steve, > In your email you asked me to work on the first one- A taste of South Easter > > > > 1. A taste of the South Easter > >Thanks Fay, > >If you get a chance, could you work on the first one? > > Pat has confused me no end as she says: > > Steve, I see Fay has "when the journey's over" > > I am well into A Taste of South Easter...is this OK? Thanks Far, This is what I have: Lawrence G. Green -- Book Indexing Project 9 March 2015 Fay Lea <cancun@icon.co.za>: A taste of South-Easter Steve Hayes: Thunder on the Blaauberg (done) Full many a glorious morning (done) To the river's end (in progress) So few are free (in progress) Lords of the last frontier (proposed) Any other takers? -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525
Sorry... new to this and not sure how to reply to a Message board post.... I'm signed in, could find the the post in the archive, but not on the Massage boards... Googleed: pow camps india boer war Result pages, with useful info: http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/POW_Camps_in_India http://www.geni.com/projects/Anglo-Boere-Oorlog-Boer-War-1899-1902-Prisoners-Of-War/12770 Searchable database at: http://www.anglo-boer.co.za/database-search/index.php?section=Prisoners_of_War#sectionHeader My great grandfather was in ST Helena. Cheers Sandra Robinson (SA - m) 072 230 4060 (UK - m) 07909 522 125 On 2015/03/09 09:00, south-africa-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Lawrence G. Green indexing (Fay Lea) > 2. Off topic-Boer POW camps in India (rodg) > 3. Re: Off topic-Boer POW camps in India (Keith Meintjes) > 4. Re: Off topic-Boer POW camps in India (rodg) > 5. Re: Off topic-Boer POW camps in India (Jean Tuckey) > 6. Re: Off topic-Boer POW camps in India (Keith Meintjes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 14:28:01 +0200 > From: "Fay Lea" <cancun@icon.co.za> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Lawrence G. Green indexing > To: <shayes@dunelm.org.uk>, "'Steve Hayes'" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>, > <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B27B12E567C9485A84D8301EF8F316D1@Faystoy> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Steve, > In your email you asked me to work on the first one- A taste of South Easter > > >> 1. A taste of the South Easter >> Thanks Fay, >> If you get a chance, could you work on the first one? > Pat has confused me no end as she says: > > Steve, I see Fay has "when the journey's over" > > I am well into A Taste of South Easter...is this OK? > > Cheers Fay > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 17:00:13 +0000 > From: "rodg" <rodg@tiscali.co.za> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <2060564446-1425834020-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1808190206-@b4.c4.bise7.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Good evening everyone, > I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on life in the POW camps. > In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. > In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:42:38 -0400 > From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com>, "SA List" > <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <627TcHRpM2832S02.1425836558@web02.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from > grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes > made from potato flour. > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 > From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > Good evening everyone, > I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on > life in the POW camps. > In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced > with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone > know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if > soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. > In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from > potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 18:21:22 +0000 > From: "rodg" <rodg@tiscali.co.za> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > To: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net>, south-africa@rootsweb.com, "SA > List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <545923019-1425838884-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1850523888-@b4.c4.bise7.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Thanks Keith > However in the article refer to both fritters and pancakes. > ------Original Message------ > From: Keith Meintjes > To: rodg@tiscali.co.za > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > To: SA List > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > Sent: Mar 8, 2015 7:42 PM > > > Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from > grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes > made from potato flour. > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 > From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > Good evening everyone, > I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on > life in the POW camps. > In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced > with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone > know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if > soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. > In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from > potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:20:38 +1300 > From: Jean Tuckey <ronjeantuc@clear.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > To: rodg@tiscali.co.za, south-africa@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <544F527BCB31468B8A327436EEC33047@JeanPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; > reply-type=original > > I would very much like to know about the Boer War camps in India..tried > googling and it wont come up, any ideas of where I can find an article as I > had no idea there were camps in India. > Thank you > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: rodg via > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM > To: Keith Meintjes ; south-africa@rootsweb.com ; SA List ; > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > Thanks Keith > However in the article refer to both fritters and pancakes. > ------Original Message------ > From: Keith Meintjes > To: rodg@tiscali.co.za > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > To: SA List > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > Sent: Mar 8, 2015 7:42 PM > > > Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from > grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes > made from potato flour. > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 > From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > Good evening everyone, > I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on > life in the POW camps. > In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced > with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would > anyone > know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if > soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. > In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from > potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:28:34 -0400 > From: "Keith Meintjes" <umfundi@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <801TcHXbI5824S06.1425857314@web06.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > boer prisoners india > > has 400,000 hits on Google. > > Keith > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 06:27 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 > From: Jean Tuckey via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: rodg@tiscali.co.za, south-africa@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > I would very much like to know about the Boer War camps in India..tried > googling and it wont come up, any ideas of where I can find an article as I > had no idea there were camps in India. > Thank you > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: rodg via > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM > To: Keith Meintjes ; south-africa@rootsweb.com ; SA List ; > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > Thanks Keith > However in the article refer to both fritters and pancakes. > ------Original Message------ > From: Keith Meintjes > To: rodg@tiscali.co.za > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com > To: SA List > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > Sent: Mar 8, 2015 7:42 PM > > > Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from > grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes > made from potato flour. > > Keith > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 > From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India > > Good evening everyone, > I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on > life in the POW camps. > In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced > with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would > anyone > know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if > soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. > In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from > potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 86 > ********************************************
boer prisoners india has 400,000 hits on Google. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 06:27 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 From: Jean Tuckey via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: rodg@tiscali.co.za, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India I would very much like to know about the Boer War camps in India..tried googling and it wont come up, any ideas of where I can find an article as I had no idea there were camps in India. Thank you Jean -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: Keith Meintjes ; south-africa@rootsweb.com ; SA List ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Thanks Keith However in the article refer to both fritters and pancakes. ------Original Message------ From: Keith Meintjes To: rodg@tiscali.co.za To: south-africa@rootsweb.com To: SA List To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Sent: Mar 8, 2015 7:42 PM Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes made from potato flour. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Good evening everyone, I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on life in the POW camps. In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Keith However in the article refer to both fritters and pancakes. ------Original Message------ From: Keith Meintjes To: rodg@tiscali.co.za To: south-africa@rootsweb.com To: SA List To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Sent: Mar 8, 2015 7:42 PM Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes made from potato flour. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Good evening everyone, I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on life in the POW camps. In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
Good evening everyone, I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on life in the POW camps. In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
Steve, In your email you asked me to work on the first one- A taste of South Easter > 1. A taste of the South Easter >Thanks Fay, >If you get a chance, could you work on the first one? Pat has confused me no end as she says: > Steve, I see Fay has "when the journey's over" I am well into A Taste of South Easter...is this OK? Cheers Fay --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Klinkers are hard-tack biscuits. Potato pancakes are fritters made from grated fresh or mashed potatoes. I suspect you are referring to fried cakes made from potato flour. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 01:06 PM EDT, 03/08/2015 From: rodg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>, "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Off topic-Boer POW camps in India Good evening everyone, I have just finished reading an article sent to me by the Boer War Museum on life in the POW camps. In one paragraph mention is made the bread ration was stopped and replaced with 'klinkers'. I have not heard this term used as a food item. Would anyone know what it is as they write that the 'klinkers' were so hard that even if soaked for half a day, still could not be eaten. In another section mention is made of how the prisoners made pancakes from potatoes. Never heard that before. How does one go about this process. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Steve Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hayes via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 00:37:56 To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: shayes@dunelm.org.uk, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Craig family On 7 Mar 2015 at 16:25, rodg via wrote: > Good afternoon, > Is there any listers researching the CRAIG family. I have now come across a > number of CRAIGs and would like to see if they are linked. They are; Harold > Lynn Burton CRAIG, no dates Robert CRAIG Glen Stuart CRAIG William CRAIG Any > contacts would be appreciated Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless > device I have these: Family History System 8 Mar 201 Merged Group Reports NAME: CRAIG, Ivy Rebecca, Born 26 Jul 1894 in London, England, Died ??? 1945 in Durban at age 50; FATHER: CRAIG, Frederick, Born ??? 1853, Died 5 Jan 1931 at age 78; MOTHER: GAWTHROUP, Elizabeth, Born ??? 1861 MARRIED 6 Oct 1918, to DAVIS, Jack Gabriel, Born 18 Aug 1896 in Newcastle, Natal, Died ??? 1956 at age 59; FATHER: DAVIS, Oliver, Born 3 Dec 1865, Died 26 Dec 1927 at age 62; MOTHER: COTTAM, Lily, Born 30 Nov 1870, Died 14 Nov 1942 at age 71 CHILDREN: 1. M DAVIS, John Frederick Oliver, born 5 Feb 1922 in London, died 10 Mar 1951 in Korea; Married ??? 1946 to MALCOLMESS Moira; 2 children 2. M DAVIS, Peter Craig, born 10 Jul 1923; Married to POWER, Shelagh Anne 3. M DAVIS, George Gabriel, born 15 Nov 1925 in Port Shepstone Married to DE VILLIERS, Beulah; 2 children 4. M DAVIS, Oliver, born 12 May 1929 in Port Elizabeth, died 6 Feb 2008 in Mahe, Seychelles; Married ??? 1953 to EDWARDS Joan; 3 children 5. M DAVIS, David, born 10 Jun 1933 in Durban; Married Jul 1957 to WHITE, Elizabeth Anne; 4 children * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NAME: CRAIG, Penny, Born 31 Mar 1948 in Luanshya, N. Rhodesia; FATHER: CRAIG, James Thomas, Born 17 Jun 1919; MOTHER: GANE, Elizabeth Eleanor Flower, Born 9 Jan 1922, Died 17 Jun 1983 at age 61 MARRIED 16 Dec 1972, to BLAKE, Frederick David, Born 3 Mar 1941 in East London; FATHER: BLAKE, Terence Frederick, Born 12 Jan 1908, Died 7 Mar 1980 at age 72; MOTHER: ELSTON, Marjorie Pearson, Born 8 Feb 1917 CHILDREN: 1. M BLAKE, Craig Andrew, born Sep 1975 in Cape Town 2. F BLAKE, Terri Lyndal, born Aug 1978 in Cape Town 3. M BLAKE, Ian Hilton, born May 1981 in Cape Town 4. M BLAKE, Paul Gane, born Apr 1983 in Port Elizabeth ================================================================ Residence Information From ??? 1982; Phone (041) 52-2236 Address: 284 Main Road, Walmer, Port Elizabeth 6070, South Africa From ??? 1972 Until ??? 1982 Address: 15 Camp Road, Pinelands, Cape Town * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NAME: CRAIG, Miriam (Mim), Born 30 Apr 1900 in London, England, Died 18 Feb 1983 in Caterham, England at age 82; FATHER: CRAIG Frederick, Born ??? 1853, Died 5 Jan 1931 at age 78; MOTHER: GAWTHROUP, Elizabeth, Born ??? 1861 MARRIED 11 Jul 1932 in Cape Town, to BAGOT, Frederick, Born 17 Jul 1892 in Durban, Natal, Died 17 Jul 1964 in Storrington, Sussex at age 72; FATHER: KAHTS, Carl Behrens, Born 11 Jul 1856, Died 21 Jan 1905? at age 48; MOTHER: COTTAM, Lucy, Born 25 Oct 1866, Died 28 Jul 1946 at age 79; Changed surname from Kahts to Bagot during First World War when there was strong anti-German sentiment. CHILDREN: 1. F BAGOT, Magdalen Louise, born 28 Apr 1933 in Johannesburg; Married 16 Mar 1957 to MOULD, Derek Arthur; 4 children 2. F BAGOT, Rosemary, born 28 Apr 1935; Married to JAMES, Harry; 2 children 3. F BAGOT, Margaret, born 28 Mar 1937; Married to SEARLE, Robin; 2 children -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message