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    1. [SOG-UK] Welsh ancestors
    2. Peter Borrows
    3. My great x 4-grandfather is Captain John Enoch (1756 ­ 1833). (Captain distinguishes him from his son, Colonel John Enoch) I found a reference to him in a book in Welsh, Enwogion Ceredigion (Great Men of Cardigan) by Benjamin Williams, 1869. The translation reads: > > John Enoch was born in Troed yr Aur. He was a son of Enoch Hywel who was the > son of Dafydd Hywel, the bard of Wernlogws, this family being true descendents > of Cadifor Fawr, Lord of Blaencych. The lineage runs as follows: John son of > Enoch son of Dafydd son of Hywel son of Hywel son of Einion son of Dafydd son > of Hywel son of Ieuan son of Dafydd son of Gruffydd son of Rhys son of > Llywelyn son of Ifor son of Llywelyn son of Ifor son of Llywelyn son of Ifor > son of Bledri son of Cadifor Fawr. Gwernlogws is in the midst of the old > manor/court of Cadifor Fawr; some 70 years ago it was in the possession of > Howell Davies, an uncle of John Enoch. It was a remnant of the old Cadifor > estate which remained in the family until the time of Howell Davies, who sold > it. John Enoch joined the Ceredigion militia when he was quite young. He > came in time to be a Captain and their chief paymaster. Physically, he was > tall, strong, handsome and cheerful; and his behaviour was gentlemanly, > pleasant and good natured. He was well respected and none of the local gentry > would see their children join the army without first consulting with Mr Enoch. > He died on 10th February, 1833 aged 74. He resided in Aberathan Fach, which > he bought and extended. Mr John Thomas of Crymnant is his grandson. The Rev. > D Silvan Evans, B.D. is his first cousin. > My question is how would Benjamin Williams have obtained this pedigree of some 20 generations? Was it published somewhere? How reliable is it likely to be? Can I add 20 generations to my family tree? And does anybody know where Wernlogws is? -- Dr Peter Borrows Amersham, Bucks. You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on (George W. Bush)

    01/31/2012 01:09:12
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Welsh ancestors
    2. Caroline Gurney
    3. Peter, The Golden Grove book of pedigrees may have been the source. You can read it online at: http://goo.gl/K6KGX. This page shows Cadifor, his son Bledri and grandson, Ifor: http://goo.gl/6oxgo. Note what is said about the accuracy of the pedigrees. Caroline Gurney www.carosfamily.com

    01/31/2012 02:58:22